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My daughter has asked me to help her start a book club for the summer. She has picked some friends with similar reading abilities to join her. The plan is to read 1 book every two weeks and then meet to discuss it. The girls are all first grade. My daughter easily reads the Narnia books, Junie B., Magic Tree House series, etc. I need help with two things: 1) picking the books and 2) determining how a discussion should run for rising second graders. I would like the books to be exciting, new, perhaps with female lead characters, and worldly. We live in Northern Virginia/DC and the girls in the group cover several nationalities. My own daughter is 1/2 East Indian, 1/4 Mexican, and 1/4 Italian. Can you help?

Nina Valli, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

Oh dear, let me think about this. Plus there's already a thread on the topic, maybe it'll yield some ideas for you -- I know I wrote a big list on it:

"Chapter books about girls in kindergarten or first grade" Chapter Books About Girls In Kindergarten or First Grade

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

I'd recommend Philip Pullman's Ruby in the Smoke trilogy, though it might be a bit advanced. Though, if they are reading the Narnia books, the gist of the story won't be beyond them, just some of the nuances.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

Come to think of it, that father ONLY wanted books about girls in first grade, no older -- but if you don't mind a slightly older protagonist or even some adventure stories with boys as main character, I could do a MUCH BIGGER list!! Usually girls don't mind reading "boy books" (although sadly the reverse isn't necessarily true) and everybody likes a good adventure yarn and/or "pirate voyage of self-discovery".

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

Laurel, I love your posts on that thread :) I need to reread all the Mrs. Piggle-Wiggle books soon - I'd totally forgotten her husband was a pirate :)

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

There's a TON of good historial "frontier" or "pioneer" middlegrade fiction with awesome female characters. I'll try to put something together later today or tomorrow.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

Laura Ingalls Wilder, et al.? I remember something about the Boxcar Children, and something like Seven Cousins. Maybe this will be my summer of rereading the 4th grade :) That was the year I got my own library card and discovered Agatha Christie as well as Trixie Belden and Nancy Drew! All of Marguerite Henry and all the Black Stallion books too (even though there was a boy - the horses made up for it).

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

Lovely question. Would the Philip Pullman trilogy be appropriate? I'm in the UK, so not sure exactly how old first grade is, but using Narnia as a yardstick, I would say it would work. Not sure of availability in the US, but they fit your criteria like a glove.

I would guess any generic discussion for this sort of group would centre around character development more than plot. Make sure you have a good mix in the group and try to encourage the quieter ones to speak without prejudice. Also, ask the students to project the image of what they read and how this is an important part of writing. On the whole, I think reading groups are beneficial to a good listener, but they need to be managed properly to be effective (and that equally applies to adult reading groups).

There are probably more US posters than UK on here, so you may get a better response if you wait. Best wishes to you.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

Can I just make a big list and not do complete write-ups for each? Cos I don't have a computer at home anymore and I won't have time from the office.

I do like the L.I. Wilder series quite a lot, can't go wrong there. You probably can't assign a whole series in a reading group but if your daughter has never read LITTLE HOUSE IN THE BIG WOODS and the rest of 'em, they're totally worthwhile!

HOMELESS BIRD by Gloria Whelan: Koly, a 13-yr old Indian girl (dots, not feathers), is married as a formality to a young groom who turns sick and dies before they've hardly met. Eventually the mother-in-law throws Koly out and but K has more education than most girls and slowly finds her way. Sorry, I know that sounds like standard flap copy but just read the freaking thing, it's good.

ESPERANZA RISING by Pam Munoz Ryan: Esperanza's family is well-off in Mexico but when politics & injustice force her family to flee to the US they can basically only find field work etc and live in refugee camps but persevere, OBVIOUSLY, in hopes of saving enough to bring Grandmother to the States with them and be a family again. Based on life story of author's own grandmother, I think? Pretty cool.

Titles by Karen Cushman, all have middlegrade female protagonists: CATHERINE, CALLED BIRDY (very real, humorous journal entries by a medieval girl who has to avoid political marriage to old man); THE MIDWIFE'S APPRENTICE and MATILDA BONE (also both medieval England, roughly); THE BALLAD OF LUCY WHIPPLE (gold-rush California). BONUS: MIDWIFE and MATILDA have jacket art and (I think) interior spot art by Trina Schart Hyman, my fave illustrator EVER.

SARAH, PLAIN AND TALL by Patricia MacLachlan (also SKYLARK, which I think is a follow-up story)

Of course all the L.M. Montgomery books, either the Anne Shirley side or the EMILY OF NEW MOON side. I'm partial to the Anne series. LMM also wrote a bunch of stand-alone or vaguely related titles like THE BLUE CASTLE, MAGIC FOR MARIGOLD, RILLA OF INGLESIDE, and THE GOLDEN PATH, some of which are better than others but probably none would be a bad use of reading time.

Some oldies but goodies:
FIVE LITTLE PEPPERS AND HOW THEY GREW by Margaret Sidney

UNDERSTOOD BETSY by Dorothy Canfield Fisher (I love this one)

Lots of Louisa May Alcott, tho actually LITTLE WOMEN isn't my favorite by a long shot -- I'm probably partial to EIGHT COUSINS/ROSE IN BLOOM and especially AN OLD-FASHIONED GIRL. Alcott was writing for her time and no mistake, so there's a certain amount of the whole "angel of the home" thing where women are to be the heart and conscience of their families and keep themselves pure above all things, but to be fair she demands the same purity and selflessness from her male characters and is quite progressive for her time w/r/t education & employment for women, and their responsibility to engage the world and work for change. Maybe it's corny and it's certainly dated but these books really..."reach" me, for lack of better expression.

Oh god I've only touched on historical fiction! There are still adventure stories and fantasy/sci-fi and LOTS OF GOOD STUFf yet to go. NOT ENOUGH TIME!!


Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

(First grade = 6 years old, basically.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I think the Pullman stuff isn't appropriate for a reading group at that age. If a first-grader wanted to tackle it on his or her own I probably wouldn't object, depending on things, but I think that's unlikely.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I think the Pullman stuff isn't appropriate for a reading group at that age. If a first-grader wanted to tackle it on his or her own I probably wouldn't object, depending on things, but I think that's unlikely.

I'm having enough trouble as it is not aiming for too old/advanced! I just saw online that ESPERANZA RISING is recommended for grades 6-9, which seems REALLY conservative cos no one should still be reading MIDDLEGRADE material by grade 9 and if yr daughter is reading Narnia series easily, I think she can handle all of my recs above. But still!

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

I think Pullman's Sally Lockhart trilogy (Ruby in the Smoke/Shadow in the North/Tiger in the Well) suits younger advanced readers better than His Dark Materials. The Sally Lockhart is more straight history (development of photography, etc.), and has pirates, but touches on class and women's issues. Probably better for 9-10 year olds, due to the latter stuff.

Laurel, are you a children's librarian in real life or an alternative universe? Because your suggestions are wonderful.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Neither, Jaq -- I'm on the publishing side, instead! I do book production for this and that but I love books for young readers the most.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

Oh and I love the M. Henry books about Chincoteague! It really exists, and the small, hardy horses really WERE shipwrecked there!

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

I know! I dreamt all my young life about going there for a pony-penning, and finally got to go in the late 90s!

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

ursula le guin's first two earthsea ones? i dunno, i'm not good at this.

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

I'll try to remember to check my bookshelves tonight and make a list, it's hard to think of things off top of head. But I'm going to a mandatory business cocktail party tonight so I don't promise to be completely coherent.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

Laurel, Jaq, Tom, and Mickey:

Thank you all for your wonderful suggestions. My daughter and I truly appreciate them. I'm really excited about the "ethnic" ones. I wish I was as knowledgeable about books as all of you. I'll wait for your (perhaps coherent) extensive list, Laurel. I'm planning on checking them out and reading them first. Thanks again!

Nina

Nina Valli, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

Nina, try this: Look up a reference book called "Great Books for Girls", I used to have a copy but loaned it out and lost it and anyway it has to be updated every so often. It's arranged by age group (or at least it used to be) so you can refer to it as yr girl outgrows her old reading levels, and has a short descrip of each selected book. Can run a little to the identity-politics side and you definitely shouldn't think it's the ONLY authority because there are a lot of beautiful, worthwhile books that don't get in it, but it's a good start.

Also go to yr nearest good children's book section and ask whether Newbery and Caldecott winners and honors titles are shelved together, then browse them all and see what you like, take notes and go to local library to find those titles and others by the same authors. It should be cross-section of children's lit over the decades and give you a place to start looking, PLUS hone your instincts for what's good or notable or revolutionary or unique or etc.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

Hey Laurel,

I'll try, "Great Books for Girls". I already looked up some of the authors and titles that you, and others, suggested. That search led me to down some additional roads. I'm wondering if you have any comment on the following books I found?

-Anklet for a Princess: A Cinderella Story from India by Lila Mehta

-Chachaji's Cup by Uma Krishnaswami

-One Grain of Rice by Demi

-Magda's Pinjata Magic by Becky Chavaria-Chairez

-The Sea King's Daughter--A Russian Legend (Author?)

-Half and Half by Lensey Namicka

-Daughter of the Mountains by Loise Rankin

-Piecing Earth and Sky Together by Nancy Raines Day

-Da Wei's Treasure: A Chinese Tale by Margaret Chang and Lori Cbrath/Exlick

-Jamela's Dress by Niki Daly

Thanks in advance,
Nina

Nina Valli, Thursday, 11 May 2006 01:47 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, I didn't get to that list last night, but I will. Comments on titles above:

DAUGHTER OF THE MTNS: I recommended this one on the other book thread! Like it very much, think it would be a great choice for you.

HALF AND HALF: Looks weak, over-simplified. Even the Amazon reader reviews say that it's issue-driven and not a very deep or interesting story.

SEA-KING'S DAUGHTER: Don't know it but it's illustrated by Gennady Spirin and probably GORGEOUS. And I love fairy tales and wish more people would read 'em, but that's just me.

JAMELA'S DRESS and PIECING EARTH AND SKY look cute, but I'm not familiar with them.

Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 11 May 2006 12:13 (nineteen years ago)

Another vote for Anne of Green Gables here.

Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 12 May 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

I will ask my kids
and get back to you tonight.
Good luck Nina V!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 12 May 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
Although they aren't terribly new, and probably obvious, I can't recommend anything by Roald Dahl strongly enough - at six or so, my absolute favourites were 'The Giraffe, The Pelly and Me' and 'George's Marvellous Medicine' - and they sparked long discussions with friends, even if they were mainly about what we would put in our own mixtures, who we would feed them to, and what effect they would have! I ran a school book group for several years, and found it a challenge to keep even eleven-year-olds on topic for any amount of time, so interspersing such imagination-based tasks with character discussion, and having lots of questions in mind is definitely a good idea. Good luck.

Alice S (Bathsheba), Sunday, 28 May 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)


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