N+1, Issue 4

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Has anyone read the new issue of N+1, viz. the forum on the State of American Writing?

Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 07:24 (nineteen years ago)

Nope. Is it Iowa?

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

Iowa was #2, behind "Addled"

Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

But seriously, I recommend at least flipping through it in a bookstore (not that you'll find in every bookstore; I hope you're in/near some sort of semi-urban area). It's ambitious, maybe a little too self-serious/-important, admittedly. This issue's great, though. A lot of smart folks take on different aspects of American writing today: the novel, poetry, academic criticism, publishing, &c. Benjamin Kunkel, the indecisive it-boy, wrote the essay on the novel, and I enjoyed it quite a bit--even though it's less than reverent toward the demigod James Wood. (Sometimes even Wood needs a little dressing down, right?)

Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

Who wrote the poetry one?

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

This bad motherfucker right here

I've come across him all over the place: the Boston Review and LRB are couple great places where I've read his work.

Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

is that the james wood who's awful? now i want to read this :(

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

That dude seems to have aggressively middle-of-the-road tastes. Not in a bad way, necessarily.

Also: He seems to prefer his experimental poets to be ladies.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 15 June 2006 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

He's kind of a George Steiner wannabe, born on the wrong side, Atlantic-wise.

Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Thursday, 15 June 2006 01:06 (nineteen years ago)

So much James Wood hateration! Yes, his tastes run a little conservative, to be sure, but he's nothing like George Steiner; in light of Wood's writing style, subjects, critical assumptions and values, c/Catholic taste, &c. that comparison rings verrry false

(I mean, have you read The Broken Estate? namely, the attack on Steiner, perhaps?)
(plus Steiner and Wood were born on the same side of the Atlantic!)
(different sides of the Channel, though!)

(wouldn't, say, Leavis be a closer reference point?)

Casuistry pls elaborate re (1) his super-MOR tastes and (2) his experimental poets gender preferences; I've found his tastes to be fairly idiosyncratic (the big names, but also Verga, Hrabal, Saltykov, &c.) and I'm just not familiar with any of his poetry criticism (that must make up less than 1% of his critical output, right?)

I believe Wood, pace the folks at n+1, is a magisterial critic with a singular voice, despite his conservatism (or even because of it, if you're especially hostile to a perceived cult-stud incursion into the humanities); to me, his criticism just gives a refreshing privilege to aesthetics (less refreshing now, perhaps, in the face of theory's spiral into oblivion) over, well, extra-aesthetic superfluities

Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Thursday, 15 June 2006 04:32 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just looking at his "20th C. American poets I think are interesting" list -- hidden in the syllabus -- where he has people like Stein and Hejinian and Armantrout but no, say, Bernstein or Mac Low or Silliman; instead, Heaney and Muldoon. It's interesting that he can be into Merrill and Hejinian, and this breadth makes me interested in what his lectures on "Tender Buttons" sound like, but otherwise, none of his choices for who is interesting is all that odd. He's just accepted a few famous (female) experimental-type poets along with, oh, Heaney or Dove.

But this is a 300-level survey course, so maybe he's leaving off his less well known favorites.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 15 June 2006 04:44 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, I'd be fascinated what he has to say on, well, pretty much any of those names; had no idea what/where verse rated in his scheme

Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Thursday, 15 June 2006 05:44 (nineteen years ago)

James Wood has a flourishing ILB fan club, consisting of... me and The Pinefox. It's mostly about the rustle of language. I think he is more Virginia Woolf than Leavis.

Steve Burt is an old friend of mine. I think he is pretty much the Randall Jarrell duh nose jars. And also the world's cleverest Field Mice fan.

The problem I have with n+1 (based on me picking up issue 3 while I was in Chicago last year) is that it seems to define itself too thoroughly as the anti-McSwys, which means, with laudable intentions it nevertheless tends towards the po-faced. That Radiohead feature was abysmal.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 15 June 2006 06:14 (nineteen years ago)

(That list was not actually of American poets, just of 20th C. poets.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 15 June 2006 06:34 (nineteen years ago)

I hope three's not a crowd, Jerry; I'm sure Wood would love a Woolf comparison, too, btw

I generally despise the New Criterion, but I must admit that the phrase "artificial gravity" does capture what many perceive as a self-serving self-consciousness and -seriousness and -importance behind n+1's habit of spectacularly shitting on other publications (like McSwys and TNR)

But I do think this issue marks a very fortunate step away from the magazine's less becoming quirks/habits; if you were (rightly) put off by the last issue, maybe pick this one up

(and goddam, yes, that Radiohead piece...)

Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Thursday, 15 June 2006 07:30 (nineteen years ago)

tell me more of this radiohead piece. bring quotes.

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 15 June 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

women avant-gardists = two for one syllabus special

Josh (Josh), Friday, 16 June 2006 05:13 (nineteen years ago)

Em, what?

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 16 June 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

good lord!

Josh (Josh), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

sweet jesus!

Josh (Josh), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

I am going to pick this issue up when I get a chance, but the blurb on the website from the academic criticism piece sort of infuriates me. Caleb Crain says: "Literature is only an art. It's not at all clear to me that the propagation of a taste for it needs to be federally subsidized – or that it deserves a niche in Ivy League schools, while courses in wine-tasting are consigned to institutions that place circulars in plastic bins on street corners."

Leaving his account of what Engish departments do aside, appreciation for literature is not the same as appreciation for wine!

horseshoe (horseshoe), Sunday, 18 June 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

How isn't it?

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 18 June 2006 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

I just don't think appreciation of wine is cognitive in the same way is the short answer, I guess.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 19 June 2006 00:56 (nineteen years ago)

Well, what's the long answer? How is learning how to appreciate a Shakespearean sonnet different from learning how to appreciate a 1998 Cheval Blanc?

[I had to google the name of an expensive and respected wine; I am certainly no connoisseur.]

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 19 June 2006 05:05 (nineteen years ago)

Well it seems like tasting wine has to do with something that's more reflexive than reading. Or at least, than a potential way of reading. There's more scope to engage critically with language than with the way something hits your taste buds. I mean, it doesn't seem to me that forming literary taste is what English departments set out to do, though they probably do it in passing, so my reaction is more a personal one that literature and wine are asymmetrical objects of comparison. I suspect Crain knows that English departments don't set out to educate people's taste; he has a lit Ph.D. So I expect the blurb is only a very small piece of his overall argument; it's just a piece that seems disingenuous to me.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 19 June 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I should be upfront that there's more than a little magical thinking in my attitude toward literature. Again, not something that needs to enter university curricula, just something that informed my annoyance at Crain's take.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 19 June 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

I suspect that a more refined, flexible, and academic approach to wine-tasting could be developped, or at least it could be if wine were more reproduceable, and if its taste didn't change over time.

I'm not sure what English departments set out to do.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 19 June 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not sure what English departments set out to do.

heh. nor I suspect are they. but not taste-making, at least not since the '70s.

fair point about the wine. I don't get wine at all, so I probably shouldn't have said anything.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 19 June 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not sure what English departments set out to do.
We know, Chris- it was apparent on this threadthis thread

A Study In Redd Scharlach (Ken L), Monday, 19 June 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not sure what HTML sets out to do.

A Study In Redd Scharlach (Ken L), Monday, 19 June 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

"english departments are not interested in taste-making" is a little disingenuous, i think.

n+1 has one torturously designed seeming website - i can't even find this wine bit - but it looks pretty readable, i might try and subscribe.

tom west (thomp), Monday, 19 June 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

oof, $20/issue? maybe not.

tom west (thomp), Monday, 19 June 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

here is a discussion of crain's piece on the valve, the starting entry makes much the same points; haven't read the comments yet. if someone linked it already, apologies.

tom west (thomp), Monday, 19 June 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

Dude who is teaching Bad Latin American Lit = my new hero.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 19 June 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

"english departments are not interested in taste-making" is a little disingenuous, i think.

Maybe, but for serious, very few departments include this in their self-description (again, since the 70s). I think you're right in the sense that a certain kind of English professor relishes the opportunity to broaden the range of her students' aesthetic experience, but it's not as though assignments involve defences of works' greatness or anything like that. The mission statement is different. Taste-formation indisputably happens constantly in English classes, but most professors who aren't old-school are pretty uncomfortable with mandates to form tastes/preach literary greatness.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

oh dude. Scott Kaufman totally said everything I meant, much better than I've been saying it. it's just a weird shadow-academy that Crain seems to be discussing.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

I wouldn't look to their self-description for evidence. I would consider things like: Are certain authors (Shakespeare?) required (made to get to understand -- which is to say, appreciate -- better) for English majors? Are survey courses built around "great books" or around "average books"? Do "intro to poetry" classes try to increase one's awareness and appreciation for aspects of poetry found in canonically "great" writers, or for aspects in non-canonical writers (imagine a class where Hallmark verse's aspects -- familiar rhymes, vocabulary, and sentiments -- are held up as the ideals, and other poetry is looked through this filter)? Are single-author courses built around people who are "great" or people who have some other quality?

(The issue of what English departments do is, of course, quite different from the issue of what academics work on.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

Are survey courses built around "great books" or around "average books"? Do "intro to poetry" classes try to increase one's awareness and appreciation for aspects of poetry found in canonically "great" writers, or for aspects in non-canonical writers (imagine a class where Hallmark verse's aspects -- familiar rhymes, vocabulary, and sentiments -- are held up as the ideals, and other poetry is looked through this filter)?

These are great questions, but the thing is there has to be some process of selection, so traditional canons still play some role in syllabus-construction. In survey courses at the institutions I've been attached to, the "great" books are taught with books that were added after late-twentieth-century scholarship discovered them, when the scholars involved simply didn't believe in greatness. (And many "great" books get tossed off to make for a more varied syllabus.) I think the selection of books matters less than the attitude with which they're taught (though a syllabus comprised of only the usual suspects is telling, of course.) Single-author courses, I grant you, usually involve some claim of artistic mastery.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

A coworker once said something that Scott Emmons always remembered: "If you’re writing funny stuff, you ought to be having fun.”

When he’s not reading “The Iliad” or playing bluegrass fiddle or writing for his Web site devoted to light verse, Scott has fun writing greeting cards.

Scott is a member of Hallmark’s humor writing staff, and it is his favorite type of card to write.

"It’s one of my favorite ways of communicating. A laugh or a smile is appropriate for almost any situation.”

He has written all kinds of humor at Hallmark, but his specialty is verse. “I find it fun and rewarding to play with rhythms and the sounds of words.”

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

tom, great quote! Source?

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 22 June 2006 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

Googled and found it:

Scott was raised in Fort Collins, Colo. He holds a Ph.D. in classical studies from Indiana University in Bloomington, Ind.

Be afraid, Ann Sterzinger. Be very afraid.

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 22 June 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

oh, sorry. wasn't online yesterday, was ill. scroll down here for more profiles, if anyone's curious.

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 22 June 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not sure if no one is talking about this anymore: How would it make sense to compare English to wine-tasting? Prima Facie, English is a populist subject that can encompass the lower and middle class; it can be taught to children; and it's supposed to tell you something about people.

Literature being the eternal affirmation of the spirit of man, who can say anything of the sort about wine? Who would even dare to say that wine gives us insight into the human, psychology or history? It would sound like you were a total asshole. "This wine at first deceived me into thinking it was rather shallow, but after closer inspection I realized the depth of its character. I learned something about it and something about me." Fuck wine!

B Money (B Mingus), Friday, 30 June 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

the middle class don't drink wine now?

tom west (thomp), Friday, 30 June 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)


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