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Does anyone on the board read Wittgenstein? I was wondering specifically about 'his' piece on religion.

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http://philosophypage.blogspot.com/

― B Money (B Mingus), Thursday, 29 June 2006 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

Oh b.michaelpaws.

Anyway yes, I have read me some Wittg, but I don't know which piece you mean. I think he wrote something about Judaism? Pre-WWII? And later felt embarrassed about it? And it wasn't published maybe? I am vaguely remembering something about this.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 29 June 2006 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

I mean this book
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0520013549/sr=8-11/qid=1151630514/ref=pd_bbs_11/002-8499623-9606409?ie=UTF8
which is just a posthumous collection of his writing about religion, etc. Like all but two of his books. Wittgenstein on religion seems very interesting; I was just wondering if anyone had read anything.

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― B Money (B Mingus), Friday, 30 June 2006 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

Like all but two of his books.

two books = all of them

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 30 June 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

Jed, I assume that what he was talking about -- all but two of them were posthumous.

(B.: Please stop with the fake .sig. We don't do sigs here.)

It seems unlikely that Wittg ever went into great detail about his thoughts on religion, and the comments on the Amazon page seem to confirm that. Religion seems like exactly the sort of important thing that we can't talk meaningfully about which he discusses to great length in both TLP and PI.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 30 June 2006 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

ah yeah... i couldn't quite unpack it.

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 30 June 2006 08:04 (nineteen years ago)

i think what i was getting at was that the posthumous ones weren't really his.

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 30 June 2006 08:11 (nineteen years ago)

I've read that book, but it was a while ago now. He does talk about religion in it, so I don't think the title's a misnomer. I can't remember too much of what it was about now, but I think he takes the line that religion is essentially about practice, and not about belief.

― Revivalist (Revivalist), Friday, 30 June 2006 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm, having just read a gloss of that religion lecture on the Internet, it seems what he's on about more is that religious discourse is a fundamentally different "language game" to our normal ontological talk about what is and what isn't. So we can't use our normal ontological discourse to say that religious belief is wrong. Religious belief is not necessarily reasonable, but it's not unreasonable either. Something like that, anyway.

― Revivalist (Revivalist), Friday, 30 June 2006 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

revivalist: That sounds like the fideist account! It's all very interesting... I first read Wittgenstein in a philosophy of religion class and it kind of made sense. It was very strange-seeming, though. I'm not sure what Wittgenstein is doing with religion.

Previously, I was referring to the Tractatus and the grammar primer he wrote while teaching little kids in the country--the only two books he published during his lifetime.

― B Money (B Mingus), Friday, 30 June 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...

mr. money and others, i don't find the 'lectures and conversations' particularly exciting, but i'd like to recommend the 'remarks on frazer's golden bough', which appeared in translation in some journal if you have journal access, and also are reprinted in 'philosophical occasions', published by hackett.

― Josh (Josh), Thursday, 14 September 2006 05:47 (nineteen years ago)

i just knew josh would pop up on this thread.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 14 September 2006 08:05 (nineteen years ago)

not much of a leap on your part now was it?

― Josh (Josh), Thursday, 14 September 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

:-( Sorry! I didn't mean it wrong. I actually wanted to ask about the film (link) but I assumed this was the wrong forum.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 14 September 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

I'm curious about the film, but I haven't heard great things about it.

Wittg on Golden Bough sounds very interesting indeed.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 14 September 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

the film is worth seeing to say you've seen it, i suppose. it's interesting how much of the W characters' lines are taken directly from things W wrote, somewhat appropriately. i mean to say they're not terribly misused.

― Josh (Josh), Thursday, 14 September 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

It's a great film. It's a great Jarman film. It's not a careful explication of Wittgenstein's work. Cos it's a film.

― Why does my IQ changes? (noodle vague), Friday, 15 September 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

four years pass...

B Wittgenstein

― Brodie of Nazareth (buzza), Friday, 29 April 2011 01:20 (fourteen years ago)

love this guy's wandering index-card stuff (philosophical investigations and on certainty), which is all i've read.

― difficult listening hour, Friday, 29 April 2011 01:22 (fourteen years ago)

wittgenstein was a peerless navigator & his wandering was v methodical. wrote great introductions about it.

some vintage frank kogan getting irate about derrida & talking about SLABS from the golden era of ilx philosophy Jacques Derrida

― ogmor, Monday, 2 May 2011 00:37 (fourteen years ago)

It's a great film. It's a great Jarman film. It's not a careful explication of Wittgenstein's work. Cos it's a film.

― Why does my IQ changes? (noodle vague), Friday, September 15, 2006 Bookmark

Don't see why a film shouldn't be a means to explain one or two ideas. Depends whether the film maker/writers understand these ideas in the first place...

― xyzzzz__, Monday, 2 May 2011 11:42 (fourteen years ago)

hey it could be but it needn't be? I might rein in the "great" a bit but it's a solid film that doesn't really get him "wrong" imo.

― bell hops (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 May 2011 12:25 (fourteen years ago)

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