September 2006 - What are you reading?

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I finished The Unbearable Bassington by Saki. It was a short story drawn out to the length of a novella, and the ending was quite awkwardly out of sorts with the remainder of the piece. First it veered toward pathos and failed to hit its mark, and then it lurched toward irony, and (surprisingly for Saki) failed to hit that mark, either. Otherwise, the first 125 pages were quite fine.

I am now reading Crome Yellow, Aldous Huxley jeune, in a copy that is fast disintegrating into a loose sheaf of pages.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 2 September 2006 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

I just finished "The Winshaw Legacy" by Jonathan Coe. It was published in 1994 - I picked it up at a yard sale.
Great book! Should I know more about this author? I really loved this book!
I'm starting "We Were The Mulvaneys" now. I'm always at least two years behind the list....oh well.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Saturday, 2 September 2006 17:38 (eighteen years ago)

I also picked up "The Descent" at a yard sale, and...for a snacky read, I really liked it. I'm very low brow when it comes to snacks - Pringles and a fat paperback and some chocolate..I'm happy.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Saturday, 2 September 2006 19:16 (eighteen years ago)

just finished:
arthur & george
ludmila's broken english

reading:
picture of dorian gray

Fred (Fred), Saturday, 2 September 2006 21:31 (eighteen years ago)

on the verge of finishing Hugh Kenner's The Pound Era, but sort of forsaking it for Henry Green's Loving which I'm liking a whole lot more. Feyerabend's Against Method is also taunting me from the next room.

(this is my first post here, yay!)

Jordan Ruud (JordanR), Saturday, 2 September 2006 22:22 (eighteen years ago)

Blood Meridian Cormac McCarthy - loving it to bits

spectra (spectra), Sunday, 3 September 2006 08:08 (eighteen years ago)

willliam james - principles on psychology
biography of english or is it history of english? can't remember

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Sunday, 3 September 2006 09:18 (eighteen years ago)

hey nathalie is it 'big jimmy' or 'little jimmy'?


finished 'vineland', have gone back to 'bouvard and pecuchet', a bit of 'schnitzler's century', and am rereading 'the claim of reason'. also, auditing a schopenhauer seminar that starts this week so i'll be reading 'the world as will and representation'.

Josh (Josh), Sunday, 3 September 2006 13:33 (eighteen years ago)

Finishing up Baker's The Fermata. Spent all Saturday reorganizing my library into genres -> alphabetized, so now I can actually find whatever I want and read it next (which will either be The Olympia Press Reader or Grove Press Reader ... forgot I had them!).

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Sunday, 3 September 2006 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

Yesterday, Kenneth Grahame's The Wind in the Willows. I guess I'd never read it before (I can't remember). I'm not so keen on the idea of Mole / Frog / etc / arming themselves with guns and treating the horse like a slave - there's a lot of weird things about the book that don't really make sense, there's a weird lack of logic to their world - but the language is impressive / often delightful.

Also yesterday, Jean-Philippe Toussaint's short Autoportrait (à l'étranger). Just little article like stories of time spent in different cities - Tokyo / Hongkong / Berlin / Prague / etc. Pretty insignificant.

Today, just started Haruki Murakami's Blind Willow, Sleeping Woman. New collection of twenty-four short stories written from the beginning of his career to just last year.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Sunday, 3 September 2006 16:23 (eighteen years ago)

There was a great review in the SF Chronicle a couple weeks ago.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Sunday, 3 September 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago)

Er ... There was a great review of Blind Willow, Sleeping Woman in the SF Chronicle a couple weeks ago.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Sunday, 3 September 2006 22:07 (eighteen years ago)

I am still reading 1599, and it is still very good, but my concentration is low, so it seems like it's going on for ever. But some really solid historical research and interesting anecdotes. I want to go and watch a whole load of Shakespeare now.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 4 September 2006 05:57 (eighteen years ago)

"hey nathalie is it 'big jimmy' or 'little jimmy'?"

Huh? It's this chap here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_James

I didn't even realize he was the brother of Henry!

I already have a sense that I'll need to plough through this book. :-)

I am still reading 1599, and it is still very good, but my concentration is low, so it seems like it's going on for ever. But some really solid historical research and interesting anecdotes. I want to go and watch a whole load of Shakespeare now.

Ah damn it, I should have bought that book!

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 4 September 2006 06:03 (eighteen years ago)

A biography of Edie Sedgwick.

Also read the Kite Runner [Khaled Hosseini] and The Accidental [Ali Smith]. Both good.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 4 September 2006 07:39 (eighteen years ago)

'Late Call' by Angus Wilson: for research purposes and not the kind of thing I would normally pick up, but oddly enjoyable.

Also: 'I know where I'm going' by Michael Bracewell and Linder: a guide to the delights of Morecambe Bay, where me and Mrs the Nipper will be spending some time in a couple of weeks. It's a pretty book but extremely insubstantial. I bet MB wrote it in half an hour just before his final deadline.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 4 September 2006 09:20 (eighteen years ago)

Emergence: The Connected Lives of Ants, Brains, Cities and Software by Steven Johnson

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 4 September 2006 10:31 (eighteen years ago)

A biography of Edie Sedgwick.

I read this as well. Due to my VU obsession, I guess. I'm not interested in the upcoming movie though.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 4 September 2006 11:30 (eighteen years ago)

nathalie, i was referring to the book - at one time students referred to the two-volume version as 'big jimmy' and the condensed version as 'little jimmy'.

Josh (Josh), Monday, 4 September 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

"A biography of Edie Sedgwick"

Is that the Plimpton oral biography?

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Monday, 4 September 2006 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

It's edited by George Plimpton with Jean Stein if that's what you mean?

Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 4 September 2006 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

Or were you being saucy, you frisky thing?

Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 4 September 2006 14:57 (eighteen years ago)

does "jimmy" mean the same thing over there? or should this place get its hivemind out of the uh hivegutter?

tom west (thomp), Monday, 4 September 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago)

I'm just starting "At-Swim-Two-Birds". It seems like there are a lot of Flann O'Brien fans here but I didn't see a dedicated thread. Is it worth starting one?

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:52 (eighteen years ago)

i don't know about back when the usage was current but it sure means that now.

Josh (Josh), Monday, 4 September 2006 22:26 (eighteen years ago)

you should start one, jordan.

Josh (Josh), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:12 (eighteen years ago)

Shirley Hazzard's The Evening of the Holiday. It was the first of her books I've read and I liked it a lot, even though (for the most part) I'm sick of the stories of the summer long love affairs of the rich on vacation in Italy (or France). Somehow, she does it a little different - partially by leaving out many of the major scenes you would expect in this type of novel - and partially by the way she weaves in and out between the thoughts and conversations of several characters - and the way thought and conversation bounce off each other.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 04:36 (eighteen years ago)

does "jimmy" mean the same thing over there? or should this place get its hivemind out of the uh hivegutter?

heh. well, it's big jimmy. the erected version. ;-)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 06:14 (eighteen years ago)

I finished Anthony Trollope's The Tireless Traveller and am now considering whether or not I'm brave (foolhardy?) enough to embark on William Vollmann's Europe Central.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

Finished Crome Yellow last night. Most of you would polish it off even faster, I dare say. It is short.

I somehow got the impression that young Huxley stitched together a jumble of his university papers and some ideas tossed around in his late-night bull sessions, into a loose, rather plotless, framework and dropped the result on his publisher, who was demanding a new MS at once, in order to take advantage of the success of Huxley's first book as swiftly as he could. In spite of all that, it succeeds in overcoming its many weaknesses and being quite amusing and enjoyable.

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, it's completely different from everything else I've read by him, but a great romp. What stands out for me in hindsight is the dwarf story.

Last book I read was Turgenev's Fathers & Sons. I'm pretty sure the old Norwegian translations of 19th Century Russian novels are generally the most readable books I know of - at least when there aren't too many names to keep track of. I love how he shot in a quick glance at how the poor viewed Bazarov.
Slowly reading "The Selfish Gene" now. Dawkins is frustrating when he gets on his pedestal in the media (which frankly is every time he is in the media), but his pop science writing is excellent.

Øystein (Øystein), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

Three by Ann Quin. A short, but extremely difficult read. The style was so individual, twisty and fucked up with run on thoughts, sentences and ideas that often only the author could really understand what she might have been trying to say. I will give it points for being unique. But I will subtract some points because its misrerable relationship and suicide focus was too unrelentingly depressing.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

Also: 'I know where I'm going' by Michael Bracewell and Linder: a guide to the delights of Morecambe Bay, where me and Mrs the Nipper will be spending some time in a couple of weeks. It's a pretty book but extremely insubstantial. I bet MB wrote it in half an hour just before his final deadline.

I can assure you, the MB I know would never do such a thing.

Finished re/reading Downriver the other day. So dense; the English GR, I think, with good and bad connotations of that thought. Sinclair is awfully stagey when he tries to fictionalize. But he remains, or already was, terrific when simply writing about ... reality: places, objects, journeys.

Started Lanark; still not much over 100pp in; not quite sure whether to continue, really.

I have read surprisingly a lot in the last couple of months, but the post I wrote about it last week wouldn't send, so you don't know about it.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago)

Currently: A Matter of Taste: How Names, Fashion, and Culture Change -- very interesting academic work by a Harvard sociologist named Stanley Lieberson.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 19:24 (eighteen years ago)

The Beetons are very nearly married; I am finding the bio a slog. As a diversion, George Saunders' In Persuasion Nation is quite a tonic. He read the first third of Jon on Sunday at Bumbershoot and it did seriously make me want to run out and buy the book. (whereas Mary Gaitskill put me to sleep...) I'm also poking at At Swim-Two-Birds, which has been in my to-read pile for months on end. Too many other things have been distracting me from reading lately.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 20:57 (eighteen years ago)

P.G. Wodehouse - Big Money
Hey! Wodehouse characters I hadn't heard of! I've read exactly one chapter, but was well entertained by that. Biscuit's a charming jerk. Perhaps most Wodehouse characters sort of are.

Øystein (Øystein), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 21:23 (eighteen years ago)

i just finished the comedians. i imagine i'll be doing mostly school-reading for the next few months which is fine with me because these orson welles books look fab.

joseph (joseph), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 21:34 (eighteen years ago)

Too many other things have been distracting me from reading lately.

Jaq, now we know the source of those many distractions... good luck in your move back to Seattle and the possibly fantastic new job there.

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 22:28 (eighteen years ago)

Well, I got about two chapters into Europe Central and decided it's not for me - at least not for now. It has some interesting observations, and I like the historical period detail, but the characters seem more like concepts than people and it's just so dry. I'm wondering where to go next. Maybe I'll try some Isaac Babel short stories.

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 7 September 2006 02:07 (eighteen years ago)

(xpost - thanks Aimless!)

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 7 September 2006 02:23 (eighteen years ago)

Yes Jaq, moving house is one of the few legit excuses for not reading. Apart from anything else, your books are all packed away.

Pinefox, could you be the one to buck the ILB trend on Lanark?

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 7 September 2006 05:51 (eighteen years ago)

I did not finish Lanark either. It was all about wanking.

I am reading The Year of Magical Thinking by Hey Joni Didion.

I could not get on with Titus Groan. Is this normal?

I have read The Road to Los Angeles by John Fante. It was good, but not as good as Ask the Dust or the last part of the quartet whose title I have forgotten. There was a lot of cruelty to animals.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 7 September 2006 06:56 (eighteen years ago)

I have just started 'Incidents' by Roland Barthes. There is a fabulous lacquered dandy author pic on the back cover.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 7 September 2006 08:43 (eighteen years ago)

After I finished the most recent Greil Marcus book, which was ultimately a bit disappointing, I had a quick go through "The Three Arched Bridge" by Ismail Kadare and read a couple of Thomas McGuane short stories which I enjoyed but I'm so bad at completing books of short stories. Now I'm reading "Shyness and Dignity" by Dag Solstad and "The Country Reader - 25 Years of the Country Music Journal".

The former is interesting because it features a teacher of literature who is neither inspired nor inspirational, thank goodness for that.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 7 September 2006 11:42 (eighteen years ago)

Now I'm reading "Shyness and Dignity" by Dag Solstad
Awesome! I just read this in Norwegian a few months ago and loved it. Hope the translation's good.

Øystein (Øystein), Thursday, 7 September 2006 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

Tim, is that the "American voice" book? Marcus read from the Ginsberg section of that last weekend at the Bumbershoot festival. We could have hung around to buy a copy but opted to head out to more music instead. When we tried to buy it on Tuesday, the bookshop hadn't unpacked their stock yet. Sounds like we shouldn't be too disappointed at not having a copy yet.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:34 (eighteen years ago)

Tell us about this G Marcus book!

I didn't know there was an ILB trend re. Lanark - ie: I thought everyone liked it!

'Lacquered dandy'. I have to admit, JtN is keeping the faith with RB, admirably.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Thursday, 7 September 2006 18:46 (eighteen years ago)

I am reading, lately!

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 7 September 2006 19:02 (eighteen years ago)

Jaq / PF: yes it's the American Voice book, and it was interesting enough. It largely addresses America's relationship with itself, the implications of the USA's foundation myths. Which made it a bit like eavesdropping on a private conversation, something which has its pleasures, confusions and discomforts.

Too often he'll be doing his regular Greil Marcus thing, getting into close analysis of some passage (mostly of film, in this book) and just when you're waiting for him to slam a point home, he seems to run out of steam. The example that springs to mind is where he talks at some length about the opening sequence of "Blue Velvet", and all this build up leads to (my paraphrase from memory, apols) "it's not making the familiar strange, it's getting at how familiar the familiar is." Which seems either facile or not thought-through, or maybe a bit of both.

I should add that I know a sum total of NOWT about film, don't watch many films, very very rarely read film criticism, so maybe I'm missing something obvious and valuable. (There are many other reasons I might miss something obvious, of course, mostly brain-related.)

Towards the end of the book I felt myself willing him on: "make your point MAKE YOUR POINT" and when no great big slam-dunk of a point was made I was a little frustrated. It was the right thing, though: the book's equation goes "here's America's founding mythos" + "here's how America conducts itself" = ____________________ make your own mind up about right and wrong.

A week tomorrow I'll be in Tennessee, so this counts as homework, by the way.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 8 September 2006 08:15 (eighteen years ago)

Homework is banned from ILB. Unless you have a dim question, in which case it is satirised.

Finished the Edie Sedgwick biography this morning. If the word 'fabulous' had been omitted, it would have been half the size. Many of the people interviewed appeared more keen to talk about themselves, "so Edie asked me what Andy Warhol should do next - I said, well what about silk screen printing? Well, look what happened!"

Edie took astounding amounts of drugs.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 8 September 2006 08:45 (eighteen years ago)

PJ, skim the following Caesars for the good (dirty/bizarre) bits: Tiberius (keep an eye out for the word "minnow"), Gaius (Caligula -- skim for "sister"), Nero (almost everything, but the best stuff involves his singing career).

Tom, Egil is the one who avenges his uncle's mistreatment by King Harald of Norway. At least, I'm pretty sure that's where it going.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 28 September 2006 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

I'm reading the Collected Stories of Richard Yates on a recommendation from a friend.

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Thursday, 28 September 2006 17:31 (eighteen years ago)

Trying to read The Golden Bough and Looking Awry at the same time, with Kristeva's The Power of Horror and Vineland queued up.

c('°c) (Leee), Thursday, 28 September 2006 17:37 (eighteen years ago)

Started to read Twelve Caesars by some olden days bloke, but it was a load of guff.

Oh, da Peej, you so funny. Mister Monkey would not like to hear you talk of Suetonius in that way.

Kia ora, Justine. Or something.


accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 28 September 2006 20:33 (eighteen years ago)

I'm almost done with Beckett's Watt. Some of it is fantastic and funny and enthralling while other parts are just a slog. I don't know which of his novels to try next.

wmlynch (wlynch), Thursday, 28 September 2006 20:51 (eighteen years ago)

Try Molloy next.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 28 September 2006 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

Justine, have you read any William Gaddis? Freaking brilliant, US, postwar.

I'm a Chch expat in Canada, btw.

franny (frannyglass), Thursday, 28 September 2006 23:42 (eighteen years ago)

franny, im in Wellington, been here 9yrs but born 'n bred in the 'Naki! haven't read Gaddis, but thinking i might attempt The Recognitions. am also a big Raymond Carver and Richard Ford fan.

justine paul (justine), Friday, 29 September 2006 07:28 (eighteen years ago)

I heard Richard Ford on the radio the other morning, and he has the best voice EVAH. I am not crazy about his books, but would seek out audiobooks with him on, just to fall asleep to.

When I am rich, I will move to Christchurch and stay there forever, with a little holiday home way up north in Pahia, to give me the excuse to go on the ferry and stop off in Picton periodically. Sigh.

Anyway, I've just finished reading a book of short stories by Irish authors called These Are Our Lives. It is a super book, covering all the bases of actual modern Irish writing, including post-apocalyptic holidays in Spain, romantic oldy-Irelandy dreams about horses, legging around Europe on the doss, and casual sex in soulless apartment buildings. Top quality stuff. Naturally, as with all books of short stories, there was one long, boring one, but for the most part this book zips along. I recommend it.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 29 September 2006 07:35 (eighteen years ago)

you really want to live in chch!??? i have never actually been there, truth be told, but have heard nothing but bad things, eg "its a hellhole", "its crime-ridden"; "its full of skinheads"... could this just be propaganda perpetuated by JAFAs??

justine paul (justine), Friday, 29 September 2006 07:40 (eighteen years ago)

Hello! I've been away. And I am reading "The Plot Against America" by Philip Roth and it is good, though I had to take a break from reading it because I didn't want to take it on the aeroplane with me.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 29 September 2006 08:00 (eighteen years ago)

you really want to live in chch!??? i have never actually been there, truth be told, but have heard nothing but bad things, eg "its a hellhole", "its crime-ridden"; "its full of skinheads"... could this just be propaganda perpetuated by JAFAs??

I don't know what JAFAs are. But I didn't see any of those things when I was in Christchurch. I'm willing to believe it has its problems, and certainly the area my cousin lived in seemed, er, euphemistically colourful. But it's still a nice place. I like small cities. I liked Wellington too, especially the bookshops.

How was away, Tim?

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 29 September 2006 08:29 (eighteen years ago)

It was 1x blast. I got on the radio and everything. I tried to read "An Affair Of Honor" by Richard Marius while I was in (& on the way to) Nashville, what with it being set in Tennessee and that, but I was having TOO MUCH FUN and therefore just lugged the big ol' hardback around with me for a week. Books, eh?

Tim (Tim), Friday, 29 September 2006 08:50 (eighteen years ago)

Aberystwyth Mon Amour. I think I might even finish it.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 29 September 2006 08:58 (eighteen years ago)

It's moderately entertaining, I found.

Matt (Matt), Friday, 29 September 2006 09:16 (eighteen years ago)

Christchurch has some nasty areas, like any city, but it's really a great place to live. Maybe it's just homesickness talking, though.... :) You should visit, Justine, it's so nice in the spring.

accentmonkey: JAFA = just another fucking aucklander :)

franny (frannyglass), Friday, 29 September 2006 11:15 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, and The Recognitions will make you die from joy. But give yourself a good month.

franny (frannyglass), Friday, 29 September 2006 11:19 (eighteen years ago)

wellington 2nd-hand bookshops are the best... esp. the ones which are hidden in obscure parts of the city... as a poor student with limited resources and an addiction for not just reading books but owning them, i've found some amazing bargains.

have just picked up Catch-22, am about 100pages in but finding it difficult and slightly confusing, although it is quite funny. since its a "classic" im trying to persist.

justine paul (justine), Friday, 29 September 2006 21:19 (eighteen years ago)

Confusion while reading Catch-22 is only natural and expected.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 29 September 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago)

good to know it's not just me. i shall soldier on.

just had a skim read of the thread "summarise a novel in 25 words" - i haven't laughed so hard in a looong time... book-geeks have the best sense of humour...

justine paul (justine), Friday, 29 September 2006 22:14 (eighteen years ago)

Hi Tim! I wanted to e-mail you but I was afraid you wouldn't receive it.

Mary (Mary), Friday, 29 September 2006 23:03 (eighteen years ago)

I am alternating between Trickster Makes This World and The Manuscript Found at Saragossa, and both of them are proving to be uniformly excellent.

Some of the story cycles referenced in the trickster book regarding the way that the human body came to be as it is, particularly the intestines and penis, are hilarious.

Saragossa isn't as convoluted as I thought it would be. Cracking book, regardless.

mj (robert blake), Sunday, 1 October 2006 04:45 (eighteen years ago)

i bought that! and promptly left it at home when i went back to school in the certainty i'd not have time.

tom west (thomp), Sunday, 1 October 2006 22:55 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...
In September, I finished

Lanark

Slouching Towards Bethlehem

The White Album

For Esme With Love & Squalor

and I didn't like any of them as much as I would have liked, might have hoped. I liked the idea of them, but the actualities didn't always match that.

Lanark I thought deeply impressive at the end - but it took ablkut 400 pages to reach that stage. For a long time it dragged, and didn't do much to drag me along. I liked it most at its most metafictional, and when it was most explicit about its political ideas, its desire for and interrogation of utopia. It *did* feel important and worthwhile, but did it have to be so long?

Joan Didion disappoints me - because she seems to offer so much, and is acclaimed in such encouraging quarters. I have read more of her than I have of most writers. But all four volumes I've finished haven't altogether convinced. Leaving aside the fiction, these two essay collections both strike me as immature, brittle, underachieved to a surprising degree. I like them too, in a way, like them a lot. But maybe I like the idea of them and of her, more than I like the actuality of what she has to say. She can be such a reactionary: never mind her essay on feminism, and her enduring fascination with military graveyards, the piece on LA traffic management seems to me just a slice of right-wing anti-statist satire. Maybe the title essay 'StB' is better; I read it with Dylan Live 1966 and a bottle of red wine, which went down pretty well. But even here, I think I was troubled by her relation to the people she wrote about. She wants to appear so wise, and for others to appear so foolish, as they bob amid her cool simple sentences. But after a while this technique doesn't seem so wise - it seems evasive, egotistical, snide. I am trying to think of pieces I liked. 'On The Morning After the Sixties' - in theory; but even that is rather reactionary. 'The White Album' itself: maybe that's as good as she gets? And the last piece in StB, on NYC - that moved me some.

She has been fortunate in her admirers.

The Salinger I started many years ago, have read in bits, thought I had better finish - so at least I've now read all the published fiction. The last two stories, again, disappointed. 'Teddy', I think that's the last one - the boy who has Hindu cosmic awareness; jeez, surely this is JDS at his worst. I am torn. I like this book, I like to like it, like to have it on my shelves. But what's actually good about it?

the pinefox (the pinefox), Thursday, 9 November 2006 14:18 (eighteen years ago)

That is pretty much my own response to Didion. When I first started to read her, I thought I had discovered a writer I was going to really love. She seemed to have all the talents needed for a great essayist -- perceptiveness, elegance of style, clarity of exposition. But doubts started to creep in early -- as you say, the fundamental problem is her relation to the people she writes about: unless they qualify as part of a narrowly defined group of "people who matter", she treats them with a kind of patrician contempt, or with the cold detachment of a zoological observer who has identified specimens whose bizarre behaviour may have something of interest to tell us about our own species.

frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Sunday, 12 November 2006 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

"the cold detachment of a zoological observer who has identified specimens whose bizarre behaviour may have something of interest to tell us about our own species."

this is appealing! but i'm not entirely sure it's fitting.

didion's detachment is maybe a result of attempting to write her depression, not eliminate it from the written account of her experiences. whether that's right or not i dunno. her isolation is troubling but sorta compelling. her isolation from haight-ashbury kids, the suggestion that there is no 'movement', is convincing to me. but then her isolation from/dismissal of the feminist movement i find slightly repugnant, hard to process.

i'm not entirely sure who those people-who-matter are meant to be, seeing as how they don't seem to include any of the artistic figures or politicians she's written about. (that i've read her writing about.)

(maybe i think i'd prefer your metaphor if you worked aliens into it. she sometimes seems to be looking upon the human species like a zoological observer from mars.)

tom west (thomp), Sunday, 12 November 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

She wants to appear so wise, and for others to appear so foolish, as they bob amid her cool simple sentences.

This is not how I read her. i think she's hyper-aware of the "problem" of a journalist's detachment from her subjects and she's really worried about the condescension inherent in romanticizing them (compare her to Capote on this, for example). She often strikes me as really sympathetic to those she writes about, especially when they're women, for example in "Some Dreamers of the Golden Dream" (I love that essay) and the one about Joan Baez. But it's an intellectualized, detached sympathy for sure: I think that that's in part a function of her personality (she's often talked about her shyness and how hard calling up people for interviews is for her) and in part an ethical decision. again, compare "Some Dreamers of the Golden Dream" to In Cold Blood on this.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Sunday, 12 November 2006 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

her isolation is troubling but sorta compelling

well, because it's honest!! right?

horseshoe (horseshoe), Sunday, 12 November 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago)

i like hyper-aware of the problems as a reading of the thing a whole lot, actually.

tom west (thomp), Sunday, 12 November 2006 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

I don't want to get into attacking Didion for the sake of it - for as I say, I have put a lot of time into reading her and at one level, I seem to like her quite a lot. Yet - this discussion stimulates.

The claim that her style of presenting other people might be caused by shyness or depression / mental problems seems to me probably true - mainly because she virtually says as much early in both collections/ But the fact that we might be able to *explain* the style doesn't *justify* it, does it? If reader A says 'I don't like William Burroughs' incoherent, babbling writing', and reader B says: 'you have to understand that this is because he took lots of drugs' - then reader B is correct, but the claim doesn't necessarily make Burroughs any better.

I agree that it's hard to say who does 'matter' in her world, except perhaps soldiers.

re. her relation to the 1960s counter-culture: I don't think she says 'there was no movement' - if anything she says it's more political and more dangerous than the media understand? But she does make it seem ... weak, foolish, immature, half-baked. She seems sceptical about it. I don't think there's anything wrong with that: I think it must be an important truth about that culture - and perhaps her judgement thus endures better than more excitable ones.

BUT - she also writes about the period in apocalyptic terms. Here's the first paragraph of that essay:

The center was not holding. It was a country of bankruptcy notices and public-auction announcements and commonplace reports of casual killings and misplaced children and abandoned homes and vandals who misspelled even the four-letter words they scrawled. It was a country in which families routinely disappeared, trailing bad checks and repossession papers. Adolescents drifted from city to torn city, sloughing off both the past and the future as snakes shed their skins, children who were never taught and would never now learn the games that had held the society together.

And there's more of this in the intro the book, I think; so, she is prone to sensationalism herself?

Horseshoe says that JD is 'ethical' compared to Capote because he romanticizes violent criminals and she remains detached. In that kind of case, this surely makes sense. But -- not all of the people she writes about are violent criminals! There's no need to remain so detached from them - and there must be a middle ground between romanticization and the way she deals with them, which too often seems contemptuous to me.

And she *does* romanticize John Wayne (and co? I think) - in an essay which might have seemed original and distinctive before David Thomson wrote, but now seems somewhat second-hand and limited.

I don't think we should get fixated on this particular problem with Didion, when I think there are others. But I guess a lot of it does come to down to a) banality; a failure to tell us anything really incisive or thought-provoking: as though 'blank' reportage is always enough; b) a sense of superiority, a much too frequent implicit sneer; c) the reactionary attitudes mentioned above. In truth, I still think Amis on Didion is a more compelling piece than any piece I've read by Didion. Gosh, do I really think that? I fear that I do.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Monday, 13 November 2006 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

well yeah i have the same problems with didion - but doubt you're right about amis, but eh (i mean, 'implicit sneer' is surely his default tone) - but i think the best pieces are where her detachment seems to interact with the subject matter in interesting ways - like, when WSB writes about societal mechanisms of control in his uh fragmented style, that works for me. when he writes about cats, it doesn't.

tom west (thomp), Monday, 13 November 2006 14:42 (eighteen years ago)

NB, re. Amis: I'm not defending Amis tout court! I'm just saying his one piece on Didion is very good; it stands up to a remarkable number of readings. And maybe it is, ironically, an analysis of and verdict on aspects of Amis too.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Monday, 13 November 2006 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

And she *does* romanticize John Wayne (and co? I think) - in an essay which might have seemed original and distinctive before David Thomson wrote, but now seems somewhat second-hand and limited.

Fair enough: she does romanticize Wayne, but she doesn't really have a choice; he sort of comes pre-romanticized for her and for her readers, which is pretty much what that essay's about. I've never read Thomson, though, so I can't speak to that essay being derivative. I find it insightful.

I wasn't trying to suggest that Didion isn't romantic in some larger sense; it's completely true that the passage you quoted is apocalyptic-sounding, as is a lot of StB. I don't find that "sensationalistic" (I'm sure they felt like pretty apocalyptic times!) and I don't think it changes the fact that she is committed to registering the isolation of the reporter vis-a-vis the subject. To me, this keeps the people she writes about real and protects them somehow.

I can't help feeling that you and I are characterizing her writing in an entirely opposite way, Pinefox, so maybe there's nothing more to say. I will admit that the new journalism of that period makes me really uncomfortable, even when it's written beautifully, as Capote's work usually is, and I view Didion as an antidote because she's so scrupulous. And she writes beautifully.

I'm really glad this came up; it's making me want to reread her. Maybe I'll have more to say once I do.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago)

In case I haven't made it clear: the particular quality of Didion's detachment that I admire is her refusal of the novelistic gesture of "getting inside people's heads." Is this what makes her seem sneering to you, Pinefox?

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago)

also, in StB, her larger project is to paint her culture broadly. maybe the sense some of you get that nobody matters to her is a result of her use of individuals as illustrations of some cultural happening? Rather than as just individuals? that's a fair critique, but it doesn't really bother me.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

I'd be very interested in reading Amis's essay (although as a general rule I find Amis much more irritating than I find Didion). Barbara Grizzutti Harrison's essay on Didion is the negative one I tend to think of - vicious, but largely convincing.

http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/103/didion-per-harrison.html

frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Monday, 13 November 2006 18:43 (eighteen years ago)

wow. that is some mean shit.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 13 November 2006 19:47 (eighteen years ago)

and I think her reading of "Some Dreamers of the Golden Dream" is entirely unconvincing.

I really don't get the "cold, cold heart" school of criticism. (I heard a professor once complain about Jane Austen for similar reasons. which seems to be entirely missing the point.) does it get applied to male writers, too?

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 13 November 2006 19:53 (eighteen years ago)

Aren't those Didion articles for the Saturday Evening Post or something? I think they're bluddy brilliant. I always think about her when I am in shopping centre car parks.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 09:08 (eighteen years ago)

pinefox: i would say "teddy" is the weakest of JDS's 'official' stories (not counting "hapworth," which is perversely delightful in short doses but basically unreadable), but there's plenty good in that collection; i'd say there can't be many short story collections as good as that one, in fact.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 09:23 (eighteen years ago)

I would say that too, in theory. It's just that when I look at the book, I'm not sure why. Which stories do you think make it so good?

the pinefox (the pinefox), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

Horseshoe: I agree that Didion seems scrupulous - esp. compared to some clearly over-self-obsessed people. But I'm not sure she *is* that scrupulous. The point about getting into people's heads - well, interesting. Yes, in a way the externality probably contributes to the sense of disdain. But that tactic is defensible. The real problem, maybe, is a bit different: her way of delivering sour pay-offs and implicit put-downs, and of setting people up. I don't think she does just report neutrally and accurately - which is the impression the prose gives at one level. I think she arranges things so that other people seem foolish; and as I said earlier, after a while this doesn't seem so impressive on her part.

Distant but at least topical comparison: Borat - taking c.2 hours of footage and showing 30 seconds to make passer-by / real person look sillier than they really did.

I was not saying that Didion was derivative of Thomson - he comes after her and reveres her. Just that once you've read him, her take on movies doesn't seem so great. Though I don't mean 'In Hollywood', which is kind of interesting - though also sneering and nasty.

Once again: I quite agree that Amis *in general* is annoying - the point is about this particular essay, and the valid or at least interesting things he has to say in it.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

That essay on her IS nasty! But nice (for thread purposes) the way it connects her with Salinger, in the first para!

the pinefox (the pinefox), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, can someone write that Didion-as-Borat sketch? I see great comic possibility, but not the time to do it. I'll expect it on this thread by c.9 tomorrow morning.

PS / I have to countenance the possibility that LATE Didion - much admired, Indian summer, crowning moments of career etc - might be better than early.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

it does seem that you might like late didion better, pinefox!

horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

I not like "Magic Think Year" so much like "Bethelehem Slouch" or "White Book".

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

how are people with 'political fictions' and 'miami' and the sept 11th pamphlet?

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:01 (eighteen years ago)

I started reading the 9/11 pamphlet at Accentmonkey's house, and my response was infuriation at its unbelievable political naivete. (As in: 'a few weeks after 9/11, I started to feel disturbed.... Something about the atmosphere of feverish patriotism just wasn't quite right.... I wondered if there were things the government wasn't telling us....') It might have been faux-naivete, but that didn't seem to work too well either.

Thomson adores Democracy.

I have Where I Was From on a shelf at home. I have heard good things about it, which may be better than reading it. I have found it difficult to bring myself to read about Didion's ancestors. I like the cover, though. It is nicely designed and she looks good on it.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:23 (eighteen years ago)

It is nicely designed and she looks good on it.

This is her appeal in a nutshell.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago)

You are being too sarcastic, PJ. Whether you (or I) derive much pleasure or insight from Ms. Didion, no one can make a long writing career by connecting to readers only through their book designs and author's mug shots. Someone is reading her with real appreciation. You can argue that it is misplaced, but not that it doesn't exist.

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:31 (eighteen years ago)


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