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Yeah, I thought the same. I don't think the movie was supposed to have anything to do with the book. I could be wrong.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Sunday, 27 February 2000 02:43 (twenty-four years ago) link

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35068-2004Jul7.html

Washington, D.C.: Is this screenplay/film based on the Rick Moody book of the same name?

Zach Braff: No. "Garden State" is a nickname for New Jersey and I think we both used that.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Sunday, 27 February 2000 02:44 (twenty-four years ago) link

six years pass...
If somebody was thinking about reading a Rick Moody book, which would be a good one to try? Or would somebody be a fool to spend their (limited) time reading Rick Moody?

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Monday, 4 September 2006 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link

i enjoyed the ice storm when i read it. part of that might be nostalgia though. cuz i grew up in fairfield county in the 70's. plus, i really like books that take place in the winter. the book was actually more evocative of that time for me than the movie. (though the movie had its charms. i just thought that the coustume designer went a little nuts with the brown on brown schemes.)

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I would seriously avoid any and all of Rick Moody's books.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked GARDEN STATE v much. It's got faults, sure, but...I love New Jersey as seen through the eyes of the Feelies, basically.

Never been able to convince myself to read any of his others, tbh. I'll get to PURPLE AMERICA one of these days.

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Has anyone else seen his S-K mini-bio (at their homepage)? Pretty good.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

WRONG

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Here it is

Carrie Brownstein-Guitar, Vocals
Corin Tucker-Vocals, Guitar
Janet Weiss-Drums, Backing Vocals

Hometown: Portland, Oregon


The Woods was produced and engineered by Dave Fridmann


On Sleater-Kinney

They came from the Pacific Northwest! They were young, and they had things to say. At first, it appeared that the weaponry, the system, the strategy, consisted of a lead singer who had an uncanny urgency to her voice, more so than anyone since Patti Smith, enough to make the hair on the back of your neck stand up. That was the first part of the weaponry, this lead singer, and the second part consisted of a remarkable chemistry between the two guitar players, viz. Carrie Brownstein and Corin Tucker. One guitar seemed on occasion to finish the other’s lines, and vice versa, as if they were performing the medieval form called the hocket. Initially, these were the strategies. It was urgent, it was fierce.

They came from the Pacific Northwest! The second album, Call the Doctor, did things that could not be done on the first. Suddenly there were two voices, not just the amazing lead singer. There was the second voice, with its urbane, sexy drawl, fitted exactly around the first in a kind of contrapuntal exercise that was precisely calibrated to what the guitars were already doing. The noise got noisier. Where the songs had orbited around a certain feminist rage on the eponymous first album, the message got deeper as the noise got noisier, especially on “I’m Not Waiting,” and “Good Things,” and “Taste Test.” Sleater-Kinney wasn’t waiting to make the transition from promising girls to women, they were taking, and they were allowed.

They came from the Pacific Northwest, but they were beginning to sound like they weren’t from a particular region, but maybe from the entire recent history of rock and roll. Dig Me Out, their first unremitting masterpiece, in which the tempos occasionally slowed, and the dynamics were more varied, all the better to allow the lead singer, Corin, to emerge from the howl somewhat, and for Carrie’s more vulnerable voice to be more melodious and frontal than before. Also: a not-to-be-underestimated strategic coup. New drummer! Whereas there had never been a problem with the prior drummer, Lora McFarlane, she did seem to be chasing after the songs sometimes, instead of leading them. Not so with the amazing new drummer Janet Weiss, whose virtuosity and ability to find room for fills anywhere is as admirable and satisfying as any drummer in the punk tradition, etc. Dig Me Out was friendlier, more intimate, but it wasn’t any less passionate. They may have come from the Pacific Northwest, but they weren’t going to be ghetto-ized there, in the hippie-friendly blue states.

The Hot Rock and All Hands on the Bad One, the albums that followed in 1999 and 2000, consolidated the triumphs of Call the Doctor and Dig Me Out, and this is not a bad thing. The songwriting team revealed that it seemed to have an endless reservoir of those angular guitar riffs favored especially by Brownstein, guitar riffs that managed to sound both playful and funky, in the way that Pat Place’s guitar used to sound in the Bush Tetras. This is satisfying, to know that a certain way of playing has innumerable variations. There also began to appear on the horizon a certain devotion to the possibility of melody, hooks, and to the instrumental coloration and variation that might be brought into what is after all a rather simple ensemble (two guitars and drums, with the occasional bass part on the recordings), a tiny bit of piano here and there, maybe an organ part, etc. Of these two middle period recordings, All Hands… with its frank erotics, its laments about anorexia, and its tour-band laments, seemed the more satisfying, evincing particular continuity in the use of John Goodmanson as producer, who worked on all the band’s early albums except The Hot Rock.

Which brings us to the second masterpiece, One Beat, and the idea of a Sleater-Kinney television appearance. Or the idea of a Sleater-Kinney spot on some enormous world tour replete with buses and jets and roadies. Sleater-Kinney opening for that famous grunge band. Sleater-Kinney beginning to conceive of itself as a global organization, though remarking on this ambition is certainly to overlook the stunning array of styles and pop-music dexterity on One Beat, from Led Zep style riff-mongering on “Light Rail Coyote” (a song, it is pleasing to know, that is about exactly what it says it’s about), to the political consciousness of songs like “Far Away” and “Combat Rock,” the ersatz Motown of “Step Aside,” in which, e.g., the violence of the world outside, and the domestic responsibilities of motherhood vie with the horn section in one of the funkiest punk rock songs ever recorded. Everything on One Beat reflects the confidence of a band of adults playing music the way they want to. Carrie sounds like Cindy Wilson from the B-52s, or Lene Lovich, and her guitar playing uncannily mimics Peter Buck on Document-era R.E.M. There is wah-wah, there are synthesizers, there are sing-along choruses, there are hints of the blues, and, so I am told, they even started dancing onstage.

If there were only the six albums described above, Sleater-Kinney would still be one of the most reliable, most creative, hardest rocking bands of the late nineties, which was not a period, after all, noted for much good rock and roll. They aren’t a metal band, with tricky solos and lots of complaining. They aren’t an R&B band with a canned drummer and a lot of come-ons. They don’t rap, at least not yet. If the movement from Sleater-Kinney to One Beat were the whole story, it would be a great story. They came from the Pacific Northwest, from the land of hemp and used bookstores, and they conquered the world.

But this isn’t the end of the story. Now, before us, we have The Woods, which appears in the Sleater-Kinney catalogue as opus number seven, and like many things with sevens on it, it features an itch, a need to try new things. Sometimes people get scared by new things, which is one of the reasons people are disappointing. This is to say that you should not be afraid of new things, dear reader, which in this case amounts to a really much more ambitious idea of how the studio can be used, like on the massive upsurge of guitars in the children’s book parable “The Fox,” which opens the album. The drums are recorded with a panoramic quality they have never had before, and there’s Corin wailing in such a blood-curdling way that you would believe anything she told you, and all she’s telling you is “Goodbye, little fox.” This is the first difference: studio smarts.

But studio smarts is just a means to an end. It doesn’t imply that longtime Sleater-Kinney fans will not find what they love, namely the strange, delirious interlocking guitars and the way Carrie and Corin seem to finish each other’s lines, that doesn’t mean that there aren’t a bunch of great melodies. But it does mean that it’s okay to have guitar solos. Yes, perhaps no development on The Woods is as indicative of the grab-the-rock-world-by-its-throat thrust of the album as the guitar solos. Everybody knows that Sleater-Kinney was never noted for guitar heroics. Well, if that’s your version of the story, start here with “What’s Mine Is
Yours,” a two-chord number in which the two guitars pick-up the opposite ends of the rhythm, in just the way the singers alternate verses, until, at the 2:13 mark, the song breaks out into an awesome silence, after which Brownstein’s Hendrix-style guitar solo, replete with backwards sections and wall of fuzz, erupts, lasting an entire minute before the drums return. It’s as satisfying as the ear-splitting second half of Sonic Youth’s “Mildred Pierce,” or the Ira Kaplan wall of sludge on Yo La Tengo’s Painful. And that’s not the only guitar solo. There are several!

If guitar heroics are not enough, there’s an ersatz jazz number. “Jumpers,” in which Carrie and Corin sing unison on the verses in a way that resembles Petula Clark. There’s a nice keyboard part, too, and the lyrics are about California, about the Golden Gate, and about, yep, about jumping from the bridge, and there are A, B, and C sections, and there’s no real chorus, because the new ideas of The Woods also include new ideas about song structure, like that there doesn’t have to be a chorus in the usual place, and you can solo whenever you feel like it, passion is the thing, emotion is the thing, art is the thing, and art can knock you out, disorient you, unsettle you.

And there are the drum rolls on “Steep Air,” and the insistence that the listener “please go away” on “Entertain,” which features Carrie’s desperate shouting, and there’s a catchy chorus on “Roller Coaster,” and the way Corin sings the words “cherry tomato” there, and the feeding-back of guitars on the out-chorus, and the incredibly sweet and beautiful and unadorned ballad by Carrie, “Modern Girl.” Never has purchasing a television sounded like such an integral part of contemporary romantic experience, never have a sinisterly droning synthesizer and a harmonica seemed like such appropriate bedfellows, and never has the shift from the present tense (“My baby loves me”) to the past tense (“My whole life looked like a picture of a sunny day”) seemed so telling.

The album closes with an improvisation, recorded in a single, unedited take; that’s right, an improv, which serves as the linkage between “Let’s Call It Love” and “Night Light,” just like on those old Grateful Dead bootlegs, or maybe like in those Led Zeppelin shows from the seventies, a big inflammatory guitar solo passage, with tons of noise, and why you ask, why is this necessary, why even connect the two songs at all, well, because they connect two halves of the experience of human psychology in these rather dispiriting times, these dark ages, the first half, “Let’s Call It Love,” being the totally outrageous and very sexy desire part of the story (“A woman is not a girl/she could show you a thing or two,” or: “Let’s call it my royal flush, I’ll show you what to do with it,”), the second half representing the domestic impulse: “How do you do it/This bitter and bloody world/Keep It Together and Shine for Your Family.” And the ligementary connection is the inarguable greatness of the instrumental passage, sort of like the over-the-top soloing in “Whole Lotta Love.” In fact, rarely has a band digested the influence of the Zeppelin catalogue in such a creative and diabolical way. The point of the improvisation is that it sacrifices everything to feeling, it throws everything onto the fire, in the name of provocation, the better to illustrate the kind of Dionysian/Apollonian opposition of Carrie and Corin, the enraged, the outraged, the unignorable, and then, differently, the tender, the melancholy, the gentle, each of these things in each of the players, always completed ornamented and augmented by
Janet’s amazing drumming.

They came from the Pacific Northwest, but they won’t be stuck there. They want history, they want time, they want art, they want to deal with culture, they have demands, they have needs, they have vision, they have aspirations. And now they have The Woods.

Rick Moody


Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Are we supposed to admire that?! It seems pretty insipid to me.

As far as I can see, this critic's review is doing nothing genuinely "critical", but instead simply mirrors the uncritical biases of the fans of the band. Not so incidentally, once it has attracted those fans, it cleverly places a few small diversion dams at the start of certain paragraphs that are meant to divert a small amount of that uncritical admiration into an irrigation ditch that gently waters the reputation of the writer. But it only works if you are a fan of the band. He's a bad writer, but a good self-booster.

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link

The film version of The Ice Storm is miles better than the book, since it's way less overtly smug in its "LOL 1970s"-isms.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought it was a pretty good translation of some rockcrit ideas out of a rockcrit voice and a good intro for someone who had never heard of the band (and I read just about every breakup and previous article that can be found on the web at one point or another). Still waiting for someone to retrieve Greil's S-K Give Punk a Voice.

I got nothing invested in the Rick Moody wars having never read anything else by dude.

Xpost: yes, I was looking for boosterism in my end-of-career retrospectives, as S-K fans are won't to do.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I just think it's bad writing, that's all. Not trying to war ya.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

My only knowledge of Rick Moody consists of reading the above-posted piece of writing. My only knowledge of Sleater-Kinney is that they play music and come from my home town. I've never knowingly heard any song of theirs or read any book of his.

It just seemed like overly-steamy bad writing to me, and that "They came from Pacific Northwest" refrain struck me as a useless and annoying bit of frou-frou - not even decorative frou-frou, just annoying and useless. I come from there, too. So what?

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Now I find out that there is a band named Frou-Frou. Is there no word or phrase that hasn't been co-opted as a band's name? As a litterateur, I object to this... this... OUTRAGE, this RAID upon honest, workaday literary resources! Gawd. This is why I never post on ILM.

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Rick Moody (along with David Leavitt) is doing something for Quickmuse tonight (www. quickmuse.com). Should be interesting to watch.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree with those who have said that the Sleater-Kinney piece is pretty unimpressive. I'm guessing it was something written at the request of the band or their label, not an actualy piece of "criticism." I could understand the "They came from Pacific Northwest" repetitions if this was written in a fanzine circa '89 or something, instead of a piece written in 2005 by a forty-five year old. I also disagree with the implied idea that more complicated production + more classic rock guitar solo influence = better records.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 00:18 (eighteen years ago) link

On the other hand, I'm not so judgemental that I'm ready to give up on his oeuvre simply because of having read one half-assed fluff piece posted to a rock band's website.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 01:17 (eighteen years ago) link

i still say give the ice storm a shot. it's pretty entertaining. the music writing i have read of his has always been pretty bad. or at least it has bugged me in a nick hornby kind of way.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 02:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked The Ice Storm. I've tried to start Garden State at least 15 times and could not get through as many pages.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 04:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I couldn't even get through the film of Garden State. But I'm glad that this thread reminded me of who Rick Moody is, so I can avoid him.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 05:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Ummmm, the film "Garden State" just ripped off the book's plotline and promptly took all the edge off it, everything bleak and toothy, and made it into indie mush. I don't believe it credited the book in any way, actually, and that's for the best, since the movie is complete shite. You can hate Rick Moody, but don't ever think that stupid Braff-vehicle was his.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 12:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Rick Moody's (maybe experimental?) short story 'Boys' – anthologized in 'Demonology' – is one of my hands down favorite pieces of short writing ever. When he's not being clever, smugly culture-chronicling, or working a musical angle into his work (cf. the Dave Eggers tip) he's got a charming voice.

Vacillatrix (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Remy OTM about "Boys." I like that Moody tries out various gimmicks: most of the time it doesn't work, but in that story it does really well.

Not having read Garden State, I was unaware that it was a source for the movie AT ALL. I thought they just had the same title...?

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Scott, thanks for the extra encouragement to give The Ice Storm a shot. I read it this weekend and I liked it a lot. If I were to criticize a little, I'd say the sections with the kids first weird fumbles into sexuality etc... were slightly better realized than the sections that dealt with the adults - as if (as was probably the case) Moody wrote the childhood sections from experience and the adulthood sections more out of imagination (which is why to me they seemed slightly less convincing - the key party in particular). The only kid alone in New York (Paul) and on the train ride home was maybe a little too close to Catcher in the Rye?

Overall though its an interesting swim into the waters of nostalgia - not just for the early 70s, but also the nostalgia of the older generation for there lost youths too, 1950s. And an interesting, thoughtful look at how slowly and how quickly a whole world can fall apart.

Maybe I'll try one of the short story collections next.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Monday, 18 September 2006 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

ugh this is pretty lame

http://papercuts.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/25/the-icing-storm/

The Icing Storm
By Jennifer Schuessler


Revenge is Sweet (Associated Press)Six years ago, Dale Peck reduced Rick Moody to a bloody stump in his notoriously vicious review of Moody’s memoir of familial depression, “The Black Veil.” (C’mon, you remember the first line.) Next Tuesday, Moody will finally avenge himself — by hurling a pie at Peck at a fundraiser for Sangam House, a non-profit (and, pastry warfare notwithstanding, apparently nonviolent) writer’s retreat outside Pondicherry, India.
According to D.W. Gibson, cofounder and codirector of Sangam House, Moody will begin by standing 9 feet away from his target. “Legend has it that Mr. Moody has exceptional aim yet with such a great distance to heave the thing our chances of a direct hit are slim,” Gibson said in an email message. “And of course we’d all very much like to see a direct hit.”
For every $5 raffle ticket purchased, Moody will get to move one inch closer. The flavor of the pie has not been determined. Peck will not be allowed to duck.

Mr. Que, Friday, 25 April 2008 19:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Wait, why is that lame?

Casuistry, Saturday, 26 April 2008 16:36 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

http://io9.com/5567556/rick-moodys-tribute-to-kurt-vonnegut-confounding-and-surprisingly-moving

sounds good, tho so did the diviners

johnny crunch, Friday, 25 June 2010 01:15 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

it is kind of good

max, Monday, 12 July 2010 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link

kind of

max, Monday, 12 July 2010 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link

really wants to be vonnegut

max, Monday, 12 July 2010 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link

but will never not be rick moody

max, Monday, 12 July 2010 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link

about 200 pages too long too

max, Monday, 12 July 2010 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

did you finish it?

cutty, Monday, 6 September 2010 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah

max, Monday, 6 September 2010 23:59 (fourteen years ago) link

you can read my thoughts here

http://newyork.timeout.com/articles/books/87478/rick-moody-the-four-fingers-of-death-book-review

max, Monday, 6 September 2010 23:59 (fourteen years ago) link

i was pretty kind in my review because why not

max, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link

i recently started this

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link

i will say that probably a lot of people will, or already have, hate, or hated, this book

max, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link

and i wouldnt, or dont, blame them

max, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link

based on max's kind review (not really)

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link

i dont hate it, yet

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link

sometimes i add an extra star, when i am unsure, because i figure, whats the worst case scenario, someone buys a book, and props up the publishing industry for another moment

max, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link

save-a-farrar,straus&giroux

buzza, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:06 (fourteen years ago) link

500 pages in. i shall finish.

cutty, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:40 (fourteen years ago) link


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