It's November 2006! Quickly, what are you reading?

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As requested by the inimitable Jaq, that ILBor extraorinaire, here is the November 2006 "What are you reading?" thread:

P.S. I am still reading Livy's Books XXI-XXX, on the war with Hannibal.

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 2 November 2006 02:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I am reading more Icelandic Sagas, more assorted Old Testament books, more of Nokter the Stammerer's Life of Charlemagne, and also working through late 1920s Krazy Kat.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 2 November 2006 05:43 (eighteen years ago) link

This Ned Kelly gang book is sort of like that Icelandic saga Mr. Jaq was reading aloud - Njall's maybe? Except, it's in Australia. And modern.

But rollicking, all the same, and the women are terrible instigators.

Do you get to know anything about Nokter the Stammerer himself? Because, what a great name!

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 2 November 2006 05:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Still reading Maugham. And vaguely, somewhere in the background, folks still be scramblin' for Africa. But mainly in november I will be writing.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 2 November 2006 07:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmm .. guess it's too long since I read OHB to figure that one out. I am rereading adinfinitum The Fox, Mrs Dalloway, The Golden Ass and Aithiopika so I can ace my exams. In one semester I knocked off six of the books from the 1001 list without much choice in the matter.

sandy mc (sandy mc), Thursday, 2 November 2006 08:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm reading Strong Motion. There is a shorter, better book in there somewhere I think.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 2 November 2006 09:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I had a swift go through "Toast" by Nigel Slater, which I enjoyed well enough without being bowled over.

Now I'm a little under helf way through "The Damned United" by David Peace. Certainly the best football novel I've ever read*, maybe the best football book. It's an oddly conflicting experience though, because the baddies in the book are my ultimate footballing heroes.

*Yes I'm including even Jimmy Greaves's series concerning the adventures of star striker Jackie Groves.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 2 November 2006 10:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Just finished Alberto Manguel's "A history of reading." Found it very interesting for about the first half, but then the topics started getting rather dull. Reading for Borges sounds great.
Also, Augustuo Monterroso's wonderful "The Black Sheep and other fables".

Now reading:
ZZ Packer - Drinking coffee elsewhere
Camilla Collett - Fortellinger i utvalg ("Selected stories")
Ivan Gontsjarov - Oblomov

Also dipping into semi-random parts of:
Whitney Balliett - Collected Works : A Journal of Jazz 1954-2000
R.S. Thomas - Collected Poems (thanks to ILB, actually, after someone posted his beautiful poem "The Moor")

Phew.

Øystein (Øystein), Thursday, 2 November 2006 10:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I want to read that book, Tim. I even went to the library to see if they had it, but they didn't. Just GB84 again.

This morning I read the "Ask Fred" section of Mojo. Someone wants to know who the backing musicians were for the Banana Splits.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 2 November 2006 12:17 (eighteen years ago) link

i met an icelandic girl the other day who said when she was twelve she had such a crush on skarphedin.

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 2 November 2006 12:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I think you'd like it, PJM, it's really sweary.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 2 November 2006 12:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I quit reading that WIlliam James book. :-((( It just didn't work with breastfeeding. Yes, I used to breastfeed while reading. Or the way around, depending on your POV. Ophelia says: whatever the fuck cause my mom quit in the evening hence not reading that big book on Psychology.

Anyhow, now reading Susan Sontags' Photography and The Devil Wears Prada. I have a tendency to read the book and watch the film. In the case I saw the film on sunday and started the book yesterday.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Do you get to know anything about Nokter the Stammerer himself?

Only in the introduction; he was a monk and he stammered. We think. And he seems to have an endless supply of stories that start "So Charlemange was visiting this bishop, and the bishop says..."

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm reading Jonathan Lethem's "Fortress of Solitude". 50 or 60 pages in, and the jury's still out -- I'm finding his prose style a bit hit and miss, passages that are well observed and very freshly written alternating with slightly tiresome self-indulgence and straining after effect. I suspect that if it doesn't pick up I won't stick with it for 500 pages.

frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Finished The Coroner's Lunch and Thirty-Three Teeth - both interesting and entertaining and off-beat, in a delightful and charming way. Now I'm waiting for the next in the series to be out in PB.

Just started (within the past 1/2-hour) Josephine Tey's The Man in the Queue from the "Golden Age of British crime writing" (from the intro. to the text). Since I don't know/haven't read much about this so-called "Golden Age" I'm hoping to be enlightened.

Still thinking about Suite Francaise, though.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Archel - I completely agree with your take on Strong Motion - if he'd just better a better/more drastic editor it'd be a lot more readable.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Argh, Sontag's On Photography is great.

Jamesy (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been misreading it this whole time! It's Notker the Stammerer, not Nokter!

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:37 (eighteen years ago) link

notk as cool.

the second half (i.e. 1975 until he died) of robert creeley's collected poems came out so even though i already owned a number of them i caved (if that word is right to describe how little resistance i put up) and bought it in hardcover for an absurdly high price. so earlier this week i was reading 'hello'.

also started ellroy's 'american tabloid', and even though about 50 pages in i don't feel committed enough to it that i've absolutely gotta keep reading (which i expect him to be able to do given some more plot).

'the western intellectual tradition' by uh i forget. i'm up to the chapter on puritans. i certainly don't like puritans but i think a lot of us contemporary people would be well-served by learning some more about what their deal was. they seem a lot more interesting than the widely circulating equation of them with sexual prudes would have it.

'european literature and the latin middle ages' by e.r. curtius, very informative about social stuff and practices of reading, writing, etc., not just names of french dudes and latin texts.

'solitude' by anthony storr though i've dropped it for a couple of weeks.

'reading writing' by julien gracq; some of his formulations are a little - insular? not quite that - but even in the long chapter on stendahl/balzac/flaubert/proust he offers a number of interesting ideas despite my only knowing a little about flaubert and proust to help me follow along. the book is physically very attractive.

cavell, 'the claim of reason' still.

a bit of 'the bible for students of art and literature' here and there.

tonight i visited the new bookstore that garrison keillor just opened in the cathedral hill area of saint paul. it has clearly just started and is mostly stocked by the same kind of mass-distribution books you expect to find in most bookstores, which is not to its credit. but i'll give it some time. and it's by a coffeeshop i use anyway so i'm bound to drop some money there. tonight i for some reason bought a copy of 'the magic mountain' even though i obviously do not have the time to read it.

Josh (Josh), Friday, 3 November 2006 04:46 (eighteen years ago) link

for a moment i was tempted by 'washington square' instead to start me off on henry james! oh well.

Josh (Josh), Friday, 3 November 2006 04:48 (eighteen years ago) link

get the one about the furniture

tom west (thomp), Friday, 3 November 2006 05:17 (eighteen years ago) link

what like a proto-perec kinda deal

Josh (Josh), Friday, 3 November 2006 05:51 (eighteen years ago) link

That Curtius book sounds dreamy!

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 3 November 2006 06:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

I suppose that most people run across this book at some point of their lives, or at least have it recommended to them. Anyway, I like it, and it occasionally makes some rather, to me, profound insights. But then, I am such a novice to philosophy, so it isn't all that surprising. It has really made me excited about reading Kant and Hume, though, so maybe that isn't a bad thing.

Josh probably hates this book, but then that is just a guess.

mj (robert blake), Friday, 3 November 2006 07:24 (eighteen years ago) link

"Hate" would be putting it too strong, the narrator is amiable if naive, but I thought it a stupid and potentially dangerous book. It's a long time since I read it so I can only put this in vague terms, but unwittingly he seemed to have stumbled on a version of the same "truth" that artists like Pound, Wyndham Lewis, Marinetti and others did in the 20s-- that there was some kind of linkage between aesthetic apprehension and mechanical efficiency, and that if you could distil the essence of this (by identifying the essentially subjective thing Pirsig calls "quality") you could apply it more generally to human affairs, including morality and politics. For many prewar artists and writers this pointed to Fascism, at least in theory a much more aesthetically pleasing and efficient political and moral system than messy democracy.

Please don't ask me to defend this reading of Zen in detail, it's years since I read the book, and there's no way I could cite chapter and verse in support of it without rereading the thing, which I have no plans to do. I'm just throwing up the thought for consideration -- if you think it's garbage, so be it.

frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Friday, 3 November 2006 10:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I should clarify that I'm not accusing Pirsig of closet Fascism -- I think he's an amiable and well-meaning guy who would be horrified at the suggestion. But I think he's a naive reductionist who doesn't realise some of the implications of his writings.

frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Friday, 3 November 2006 10:27 (eighteen years ago) link

"Argh, Sontag's On Photography is great."

Oh definitely!

"Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance"

I hated it. My friends said I probably didn't understand it. ROFL. I think I did and that was the reason why I hated it: it gave me nothing new.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:24 (eighteen years ago) link

frankie:

That is an interesting reading of the text, and it does make sense to me. I think I like it, in the end, for more simple reasons -- such as his interesting ways of describing his previous life, his cross-country motorcycle trip (something that I've always wanted to do), etc. Occasionally his thinking makes sense to me, but it is usually not related to the main system -- and like Nathalie, I don't think it is really giving me anything new to work with. At least, not like my brief experiences with thinkers like Wittgenstein and Kierkegaard.

mj (robert blake), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Josh, I recommend sticking with American Tabloid, if only as a lead-in to the next book, The Cold Six Thousand - it's fascinating and ten times more awesome that AT.

franny (frannyglass), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link

chris, i have a feeling you might like it, if you can track it down. the copy i have is one of those 60sish harper torchbook paperbacks, though from the library. i don't know if it's in print.

i have never read pirsig. i don't know that i've ever even considered it.

and franny, i'm not saying i would give up in that way. just in the default way of having a lot to do and not being very resolute about the books i start. i'm sure some day i'll finish it no matter what. though i think your opinion on 'the cold six thousand' puts you at variance with most of the people who mentioned it on the ellroy thread!

Josh (Josh), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I tried reading the Pirsig when I was a teen; there was way too much motorcycle maintenance for it to hold my attention very long.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm re-reading Murphy, when I can.

Matt (Matt), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah the Pirsig was recommended to me by a lecturer when i was 19. it did nothing for me either. i think i lost what remaining respect i had for that lecturer but my memory is hazy so i can't really say why.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link

i kind of lump it in with castaneda and ken kesey's novel. both of which i've actually read, come to think. hm.

octavia butler, 'lilith's brood'
fredric jameson on postmodernism, oy vey
paul beatty, 'the white boy shuffle'

haven't opened wittgenstein in a couple days.

tom west (thomp), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:56 (eighteen years ago) link

currently reading

milan kundera-the book of laughter and forgetting

just finished
paul auster-the music of chance

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 3 November 2006 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I've finally registered here after lurking for ages and ages. :)

I'm reading Lolita by Nabokov, Eugénie Grandet by Balzac, translated by Marion Ayton Crawford and Art as Experience by John Dewey.

I've also been reading bits and pieces of The Complete English Poems of John Donne and The Collected Poems of Wallace Stevens after reading a great article on Donne by A.S. Byatt in the Times Literary Supplement some weeks ago.

Arethusa (Arethusa), Saturday, 4 November 2006 02:01 (eighteen years ago) link

PI might be hard to read alone, I'm not sure. I never would have gotten through it without the class. Remarks on Color or On Certainty, on the other hand...

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 4 November 2006 04:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Welcome, Arethusa. Your reading list certainly shows you are one among of The Company of Adventurers.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 4 November 2006 05:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I finished Chris Adrian's "the Children's Hospital" today. While it doesn't necessarily have any surprises at the end, it's still pretty powerful. I cautiously think this might be the best novel of the century so far that I've read.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 4 November 2006 07:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Now I'm a little under helf way through "The Damned United" by David Peace. Certainly the best football novel I've ever read*

You may be interested to know that some very interesting names are developing a film version.

I am reading Stephen King's new book Lisey's Story for work, and by christ it's annoying. I can't BEAR his stupid stupid stupid nonsense words and neologisms, and the structure is so wildly pretentious without even being interesting.

And yet... there is something that prevents me from just going on strike and burning the fucking thing. I guess when he actually tries to tell a tale rather than endlessly character-building and memory-remembering he's got a certain gift. But mainly, what an arse. D-

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Saturday, 4 November 2006 11:56 (eighteen years ago) link

has anyone read "oblomov" by i.a. goncharov?

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 4 November 2006 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

finished 'the white boy shuffle'. and christ it is great.

tom west (thomp), Saturday, 4 November 2006 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

and now I'm reading chris adrian's first novel, "gob's grief," which I'm surprised to find contains a few of the same characters, or at least characters with the same name, as "the children's hospital," despite being set during the civil war. anyway, it's good so far as well. these books seem to be criminally underread.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 4 November 2006 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I've never come across anyone else who liked The Cold Six Thousand. Stylistically, it's pretty rough going at first, and people seemed to hate that. I've heard it described as "the only book ever written in morse code". But I loved it.

It was assigned to me for a class, actually, so I guess my prof liked it too.

franny (frannyglass), Saturday, 4 November 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

http://the-op.com/images/episode/201/gob-never-said-mistake_sm.jpg

g.o.b.'s grief

Josh (Josh), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

haha

Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

lots of new (or rare) ILB users on this thread, which is great to see.


i'm about to start either Pessoa's "The Book of Disquiet" or Dostoyevsky's "The Idiot" but am not sure which to go for. advice?

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link

"the only book ever written in morse code"

I have a really excellent book written in semaphore code. But not Morse.

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been on a big Dostoevsky kick lately (I'm almost done with Brothers K) so I'd say The Idiot, but that Pessoa book looks really interesting too.

wmlynch (wlynch), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:03 (eighteen years ago) link

finished July, July by Tim O'Brien: i really enjoyed the story, characters, style etc. but i was slightly baffled by the ending... i read the book in a couple of days so maybe i just need to reread it more ponderously.. anyway, i was expecting some kind of apocalyptic event which never came.

in trying to avoid the inevitability of studying for exams i scoured my bookshelves and came across Raise High the Roofbeam, Carpenter/Seymour: An Introduction; i bought it years ago but never read it - probably because it's a slim volume and it's easily hidden itself. i laughed out loud through much of it which prompted me to buy Franny & Zooey - which also made laugh, particularly the bathroom scene.

re-read Daylight by Elizabeth Knox and am now re-reading Billie's Kiss, also by Knox. she's an incredibly intelligent New Zealand writer (franny, i'm sure you have probably read her), who never fails to draw you into her world.

justine paul (justine), Sunday, 5 November 2006 02:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Harrumph. Why was I expecting Noël Coward to be funny? "Stop me if you've heard it" did little to lighten my mood.
Oh well, not so much cannibalism, at least.

Øystein (Øystein), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I have stalled in the middle of The Ebony Tower. I absolutely loved The French Lieutenant’s Woman and A Maggot, but this one is not catching me at all. I shall force myself to finish it by the weekend, so I can make a start on the Penguin Classics book of Russian Short Stories, which I am really looking forward to.

franny (frannyglass), Thursday, 16 November 2006 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I should be reading Parmenides in the near future, Chris!

I stalled a bit and found an interesting book trying to trace the development of "sex magick" from pre-Victorian sources, as well as trying to explain its political and social appeal to us "modern" folk. A bit dry at times, but a good break from the dialogs. It has a fancy scholarly title, too: Magia Sexualis: Sex, Magic, and Liberation in Modern Western Esotericism.

I have also started Thucydides' History of the Peloponnesian War, which is really great so far. I like his speechwriting abilities and the obsessive focus on power. I also didn't realize that the political situation in Greece was that complicated!

mj (robert blake), Thursday, 16 November 2006 22:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Pinefox - I really wanted to like 'Assorted Fire Events', but I really didn't. It's one of the things going in my current (reluctant) big purge.

Franny - that Penguin Classics Russian Short Stories is a gem, even if it has hardly any Chekhov. I don't know why that bothered me, given I have all the other Penguin Chekhov collections anyway, but it did. Also, you have to get the (US Penguin Classics ) Twentieth-Century Russian Reader, which is like a volume 2, bringing it almost up to date (the early 1990s, at least).

I'm reading John Banville/Benjamin Black's 'Christine Falls'. I really like Banville, and I really like this, but if I hadn't been told there's no way I would have picked him as the man behind the pseudonym.

James Morrison (JRSM), Thursday, 16 November 2006 22:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks, James. I will keep that 20th Century Russian Reader in mind. I am trying to educate myself on Russian and Eastern European lit, in a VERY slow and haphazard way, and that sounds really good.

franny (frannyglass), Friday, 17 November 2006 01:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Mark. Matthew. Next up, Acts. And a few more sagas. Not enough time to do "fun reading", really, sorry Procopius.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 17 November 2006 01:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Still me and Cloughie, against the world. Day Thirty-seven.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 17 November 2006 08:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Pale Fire. Amazing.

ledge (ledge), Friday, 17 November 2006 12:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Indeed, i'm always amazed that people like this truly awful book.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 17 November 2006 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link

:D

ledge (ledge), Friday, 17 November 2006 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Pale Fire is awful? How so? (NB: I have not read it.)

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 17 November 2006 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't read it either, but I acquired a bunch of Nabokov books after Lolita, one of which was a Library of America collection that has Pale Fire among others. I've always heard good things about it.

Arethusa (Arethusa), Friday, 17 November 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

That's it. We're finished, me and Brian Clough.

Tim was right, the ending is a bit of a damp squib (and I didn't know the half of it).

I look forward to the sequel, Them Ruddy Saudis Are A Rum Lot.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 17 November 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/news/images/0601/moomin01.jpg

Mary (Mary), Friday, 17 November 2006 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

oh, wow. want.

my tutor loaned me the comic book version of auster's city of glass.

joe david bellamy, 'the new fiction'
paul beatty, 'tuff'

tom west (thomp), Friday, 17 November 2006 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

oh, book one. i was hoping it was a brick. are they donna do her brother's, too?

tom west (thomp), Friday, 17 November 2006 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Pale Fire is brilliant!
"I was the shadow of the waxwing slain..."

Ray (Ray), Friday, 17 November 2006 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Pale Fire, although it's been ages since I read it.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 17 November 2006 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't really like Pale Fire, but it seems to fall into that strand of literature I have a blind spot for.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Friday, 17 November 2006 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link

my problem with Pale Fire is that it never does what it sets itself up to do. the poem is brilliant, yes, but the notes or gloss on the poem are never that - Kinbote is just ludicrous from the very first note. maybe i'm missing something or got the wrong end of the stick - but surely if Kinbote seemed at least reasonably sane initially and the mysteries were injected into some kind of semi-believable commentary that would be more interesting? if Kinbote had at least some grip on reality then the reader could to realise he was cracked that would create some drama. then there are the zembla sections the whole of which were confusing and damn boring.

i'm quite prepared to admit i'm wrong on this one since i didn't (couldn't!) finish it. my boyfriend hates it too, it's one of the things we bonded over when we first met :)

jed_ (jed), Friday, 17 November 2006 23:52 (eighteen years ago) link

to

jed_ (jed), Friday, 17 November 2006 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't really think the poem is all that great on its own. It's just of a style. And I think one of the things I like about it is that it doesn't go for that particular kind of drama. Instead it's about the depth of interreferencing -- and the applying of meaning -- it's about how willfully Kinbote misreads the text, but manages to hold onto this coherent reading, and how Kinbote misreads his own life, but at the same time if the misreading is so coherent how can you really call it wrong, and that's where the tension comes from, the tightwire act.

Also again, the caveat that it's been a long time since I've read it.

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 18 November 2006 01:08 (eighteen years ago) link

James Ellroy "The Big Nowhere", Italo Calvino "Numbers in the Dark", Samuel Beckett "Ill Seen Ill Said", Flann O'Brien "At Swim-Two-Birds", lotsa Alan Moore/Grant Morrison/Frank Miller comix

808 the Bassking (Andrew Thames), Saturday, 18 November 2006 06:04 (eighteen years ago) link

There's a Jansson brother?

Mary (Mary), Saturday, 18 November 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_Jansson : one line stub.

finnish guy on i love comics has gone on about him a bit.

tom west (thomp), Saturday, 18 November 2006 22:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I really want that Moomin book. I just finished yesterday her 'Winter Book', which is a posthumous best-of her short stories in English.

And I loved 'Pale Fire', which was the first Nabokov I read after 'Lolita'. Casuistry's description of it seems just about perfect to me as to why I liked it.

Now I'm reading Muriel Spark's autobiography, 'Curriculum Vitae'.

James Morrison (JRSM), Sunday, 19 November 2006 00:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I was the first person to get the Moomin book from my library, so it's like I got it new, only I can't keep it. Same with the new Gorey anthol.--Amphigorey Again. Also just read Roald Dahl's Witches and am in the middle of his Charlie and the Glass Elevator and am skimming Nicholson Baker's Double Fold: Libraries and the Assault on Paper.

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 19 November 2006 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I got so nerdy after reading Double Fold. Once, I saw a woman's eyes glaze over as I explained the concept of it to her. That is one sure way to make sure people in hostels stop asking you what you're reading, I can tell you.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 19 November 2006 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Myth and Symbol in Ancient Egypt, which is fairly self-explanatory.

The Importance of Being Earnest, and perhaps other Wilde plays in the coming week.

I WILL start Plato's "Republic" in the coming week, too.

mj (robert blake), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Double Fold is one of the most skimmable books ever.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Jeeves in the Offing.

Made me laugh like a twat on the tube.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 20 November 2006 12:19 (eighteen years ago) link

My dad was on good form yesterday. I told him I'd been reading a book about Brian Clough's time at Leeds United, and he said, "I bet that didn't take you long to read then". I said that it was good though, and he said "They just wouldn't play for him, and that was that". Which neatly sums up over 300 pages of dense prose in ten words.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:40 (eighteen years ago) link

'Dino: Living High in the Dirty Business of TweeDreams' by Nick Tosches has relegated 'Middlemarch' to the back burner for the time being.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Done with Man with the Golden Arm (loved it), now reading In Cold Blood for the dudes' book club. It's kind of a lucky transition since some of the additional stuff at the back of MwtGA talks about how Algren was obsessed with ICB.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I've just finished reading Jonathan Lethem's "Fortress of Solitude". Some of it really works - he is superb at conveying what it would have been like to grow up as a white kid in pre-gentrification Brooklyn in the 80s. But overall it was a major disappointment. Lethem has no gift for character, and even less for structure. Mostly he attempts a kind of high-octane, writerly style: it is capable of brilliant effects but can also be clumsy and opaque. Sometimes he seems to become fatigued by the attempt to keep it up, and there are long spells of more or less functional but charmless writing. The "magical realism" subplot just seems bizarrely pointless.

I've started reading Sarah Waters's "Fingersmith" -- I'm about 80 pages in. I was looking forward to this tremendously after "Night Watch", but reading the first 50 or 60 pages I started to fear serious disappointment as it completely failed to engage. I've never much liked Dickens, and he seemed the major influence, on story and atmosphere if not on style. Fortunately, it's started to pick up in the last 20 pages or so, and I'm starting to get a good feeling about it now.

frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

On 'Fingersmith', the real influence is probably Wilkie Collins - see 'The Woman in White' for the most obvious ancestor, I think. Fingersmith and her other books are quite different in feel to 'Night Watch'.

Am now reading Kobo Abe's 'The Woman in the Dunes', whcih I'm liking despite some reservations. It does, however, fall into the weird trap that I find with EVERY modern Japanese novel I've read, which is when the sex scenes begin, it quickly becomes deeply ludicrous. Does this stuff just not translate, or are the original Japanese sex scenes just as daft?

James Morrison (JRSM), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I've just finished reading Jonathan Lethem's "Fortress of Solitude".

I was incredibly disappointed by FoS - it seemed like Lethem was all over the place and no thoughts were ever brought to completion - moments of insight and excellent writing and stuff that was just boring. But I thought much the same of Motherless Brooklyn, too.

I think I've now read most of his stuff (can't recall why I went on a Lethem kick, though) and the one that's stayed with me was Gun, With Occasional Music - creative, fun, complex, noirish - kinda reminded me of PKD's Do Androids Dream at the time I read it.

And As She Climbed Across the Table was interesting, though ultimately unsatifying (at least to me). Neither Amnesia Moon or Girl in Landscape have stayed with me.

I'm still working my way through Jospehine Tey's Alan Grant series. It's fun to be reading something that's a "series" where each book is so markedly different in plot and concept from the others. Of course, this means that some work better than others, but it's an enjoyable experience. To be honest, I'd probably be raving about her writing were I reading these books in something more than fits and stops, 'cause her language and characterizations deserve better attention from the reader than I'm according them at this point.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 06:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I was thinking of reading "Motherless Brooklyn" to give Lethem one more chance, but perhaps won't after reading your post -- I had thought that as a crime novel it might avoid some of the structural problems and self-indulgences of Fortress of Solitude and give him a chance to shine as a stylist and creator of atmosphere. But from what you say I'm starting to think not.

James, Wilkie Collins may be right, I didn't make the connection, and perhaps should have. It's a long time since I read Collins, although I do remember I didn't like him very much. I thought I could understand why he'd be popular in his day, and why he's still regarded as "important" nowadays as a pioneer and influence on subsequent writers, but I found his books shapeless and overlong. He did have gift for intruding numinous, almost symbolist elements into his stories, though, and I can sense that as an influence on Waters. Also the crime-thriller plot is more Collins than Dickens. Another 40 or 50 pages in, I'm now enthralled by Fingersmith -- if it stays this good until the end it's going to be one of the best books I've read in a long time.

frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 10:21 (eighteen years ago) link

To be honest, Motherless Brooklyn was significantly better than FoS - plot actually held together and the ideas were creative. I was annoyed in parts, but I think that was mostly a response to the whole "narrator with Tourette's" schtick than anything else (which was creative and interesting and annoyed the hell out of me for no good reason). Out of what of his I've read, I'd recommend "Gun, With Occasional Music" and "Motherless Brooklyn" as being readable, interesting, and accessible - I don't think either are great works of art, but they're a cut above most of the crap I've been reading lately.

Sorry - I didn't mean to trash him nearly as badly as I did.

Please keep up to appraisal of "Fingersmith" - all that I've read of her's was "Tipping the Velvet" and walked away from that feeling underwhelmed but I've had other folks tell me that I should try some of her other books.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 10:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Frankiemachine, welcome to the debate!
Reading Jonathan Lethem ...?

the pinefox (the pinefox), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 12:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks for the link, pinefox - some interesting perspectives.

frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I've finished Grandet and am now starting on T. R. Holmes's The Architect of the Roman Empire the first of two volumes depicting the rise of Octavius to Augustus Caesar.

Arethusa (Arethusa), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link

The rigors of fatherhood and the proximity of The Mysterious Bookshop to my place of employ have led me to reembrace the crime novel. Right now I am reading Ken Bruen's The Killing Of The Tinkers, the second in his Jack Taylor series. I may have to purchase the third tomorrow to provide for the long holiday weekend.

The Redd And The Blecch (Ken L), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 05:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Good blue writing, Pinefox.

The Sign of Four by Sherlock Holmes.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 08:35 (eighteen years ago) link

It might be worth it to finish the seventh book, though, just so you can get properly pissed off at how it ends.

-- reddening (reddenin...), November 14th, 2006 1:50 PM. (reddening) (link)

Yup. Fuck a Stephen King. The last two books were obviously motivated by "fuck it let's just get it finished". I had to laugh though when he actually put "HERE COMES THE DEUX EX MACHINA" on a note to a character!

I'm now reading Don Delillo's 'Underworld'.

ONIMO feels teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Started Fell In Love With A Band, about The White Stripes, but it was bloody awful, so I stopped.

I finished A Study In Scarlet, but thought it was a bit rub.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Finished Mother Night and was a teeny bit disappointed - just didn't have quite the emotional impact of other Vonnegut books I've read - it seemed more like a moral in search of a story ("Hey! Sometimes there are good guys on the bad side, and bad guys on the good side! And people can be bad in some ways and good in others!!").

Now reading Working On The Edge by Spike Walker, about crab fishing in Alaska - it's like a book version of The Deadliest Catch, not the best written but undeniably exciting.

Meg Busset (Mog), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm reading "The Human Stain" by Philip Roth. I was only given two books for my birthday this year (most years I seem to have been given more) and both were by Philip Roth. What are the chances of that?

Pete Baran said THS is annoying. I haven't been annoyed by it, yet. I'm rather enjoying it.

Anyone have any particular favourite books set in Madrid or Seville? I could re-read "Variable Cloud" by Carmen Maria Gaite, which I like, or "The Seville Communion" by Perez-Reverte, which is fine in its way, but I wonder whether I could do better, or at least different.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link

TH, did your LRB arrive today? Mine did. One would think that delivery rates would be similar, considering that, in global terms, we live relatively close together. Mine is still in the wrapper. I hope something good is in it.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I just finished Zuleika Dobson, by Beerbohm. Lots of fun, if perhaps a little longer than it needed to be. My sister tells me that I must read "A. V. Laider" now, and she's probably right.

clotpoll (Clotpoll), Thursday, 23 November 2006 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link


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