Emily Dickinson, war poet

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So a friend asked me about Emily Dickinson as a war poet, and what she might have had to say on the subject. I'm no Dickinson expert -- in fact, I'm even less of one than I originally thought, because I couldn't remember when her main creative period was, and thought it was either before or after the American Civil War.

But no, her most prolific years were between 1862 and 1865, and most (I believe) of her famousest poems are from that peroid, and certainly she was "in her stride" then. So she's doing the bulk of her writing in the middle of the war.

So anyone have any thoughts on Dickinson as a war poet? Obviously she was fairly secluded from any actual fighting, but it's hard to imagine her being that secluded for the stress of it all.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 04:31 (twenty years ago) link

I went through the index of the collected poems, and found 4 poems which were indexed under "War". Only one of them seemed relevant, and it was about considering those who had died so that we might have the life we have -- not a terribly interesting take on solidering, but certainly a good enough poem. The rest used war as a metaphor.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 04:32 (twenty years ago) link

she has this violent edge, this use of brunt and brute force, in langauge and in meaning, that might have been born in a culture of rending violence.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 05:13 (twenty years ago) link

She has a reputation for looking inward, not outward. In that and many other respects she's a fascinating contrast with Whitman, a very social poet writing his best stuff at the same time.

Robomonkey (patronus), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 20:50 (twenty years ago) link

eight years pass...

there wasn't a thread called "Emily Dickinson, amazing brilliant awesome poet" so I'm reviving this one

bosomy English rose (thomp), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

After great pain, a formal feeling comes –
The Nerves sit ceremonious, like Tombs –
The stiff Heart questions ‘was it He, that bore,’
And ‘Yesterday, or Centuries before’?

The Feet, mechanical, go round –
A Wooden way
Of Ground, or Air, or Ought –
Regardless grown,
A Quartz contentment, like a stone –

This is the Hour of Lead –
Remembered, if outlived,
As Freezing persons, recollect the Snow –
First – Chill – then Stupor – then the letting go –

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So here is a random Dickinson question: how much sympathy do people have for the view (which is an apparent invention of Lyndall Gordon, who wrote an occasionally trashy but not trashy enough to be fantastic bio of Dickinson, which is in Virago) that her sickness and her reason for confinement was: epilepsy. Lyndall has a whole theory here - and note that it was definitely in the family - and then starts looking at a whole bunch of poems in a very different light. I'm not entirely convinced but I think it's interesting; I can certainly believe that there was something that caused physical pain, even seizures. I don't think it then requires literalizing every reference to pain in the poetry. But I do think it lets us read the metaphorizin' in a different and interesting way. Obv. this is part of my choice of pome here.

bosomy English rose (thomp), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 22:46 (twelve years ago) link

anyway, if you skip to 2.37 here there is Bill Murray reading J657 aka "I dwell in Possibility - "

bosomy English rose (thomp), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 22:47 (twelve years ago) link

The Gordon bio is the best Dickinson I've read (just like her Woolf and Wharton bios came close to being the best of their kind) but I wasn't swayed by her thesis.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 22:50 (twelve years ago) link

ohh, she wrote a Woolf bio? I'm tempted, I think. She doesn't make Woolf a special unique snowflake, does she?

bosomy English rose (thomp), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 22:52 (twelve years ago) link

NO. The Wharton bio from 2007 might be my favorite of the three though. She makes Franzen's recent scribblings in The New Yorker look especially slovenly.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 22:56 (twelve years ago) link

that is good news -- the wharton one will probably take me longer to get around to, though; my last attempt to read wharton broke me

bosomy English rose (thomp), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 23:03 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

Might chase that bio and have a skim sometime. What a poet, at the moment I'm just reading in these bursts on Sunday nights.

I have the Complete... but are there any selections that people round here like? Or do we all lug everything about?

xyzzzz__, Monday, 18 August 2014 10:10 (ten years ago) link

I like her and I spent two hours reading her the other day; but I'm not always sure I understand exactly or am on the same page as her. I think perhaps a lot of her underlying presumptions, about god and so on, might be very different from mine. So the sense of occasionally understanding her or connecting with her might be over-optimistic or slightly mistaken.

the pinefox, Monday, 18 August 2014 10:44 (ten years ago) link

This is a very entertaining bk that touches on the 'Dickinson industry' -

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/aug/11/biography.emilydickinson

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Monday, 18 August 2014 10:50 (ten years ago) link

I saw a terrific doc made by the BBC on Hofmann and I don't remember that partic forgery mentioned. Concentrated on the Mormon stuff.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 18 August 2014 11:00 (ten years ago) link

The Tint I cannot take -- is best --
The Color too remote
That I could show it in Bazaar --
A Guinea at a sight --

The fine -- impalpable Array --
That swaggers on the eye
Like Cleopatra's Company --
Repeated -- in the sky --

The Moments of Dominion
That happen on the Soul
And leave it with a Discontent
Too exquisite -- to tell --

The eager look -- on Landscapes --
As if they just repressed
Some Secret -- that was pushing
Like Chariots -- in the Vest --

The Pleading of the Summer --
That other Prank -- of Snow --
That Cushions Mystery with Tulle,
For fear the Squirrels -- know.

Their Graspless manners -- mock us --
Until the Cheated Eye
Shuts arrogantly -- in the Grave --
Another way -- to see --

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 August 2014 12:00 (ten years ago) link

ten years pass...

These letters..

https://www.newyorker.com/books/under-review/when-emily-dickinson-mailed-it-in

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 27 August 2024 15:56 (four months ago) link


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