Nabokov, s/d, c/d, etc.

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Over the weekend I got to talking about Nabokov, when it occurred to me for the 100th time I'd like to read more by him. I've only read Lolita and Pnin, and I'm seeking advice on where to go next. Particularly good short stories would be appreciated, too.

otto, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Everyone should read A Pale Fire-- even if, especially if, you don't have much patience for poetry. It will make you laugh, I promise. But my favorite, which is more of a coming of age story, is The Gift. Ada I've never been able to get into.

Donald Nitchie, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 03:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm hip deep in Nabokov's Complete Short Stories (collected by Vintage), and it's ridiculously rewarding, although it's also taking me considerably longer to digest than similar collections by other writers.

August (August), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 04:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I've a friend who swears that Invitation to a Beheading (is that the title?) is the best thing he's ever read.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 05:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Vladimir Nabokov: C v D, S/D

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 10:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Personally I really liked ADA, but I'm not sure I would recommend it to everybody; it's pretty plotless and impenetrable at times. Still, Nabokov writes so well that it's hard not to enjoy.

Mikhail Capone (Mikhail Capone), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 10:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Destroy: Mary, his first novel, which suffers badly from First Novel Syndrome. Although it's been so long since I read it that I couldn't tell you much more about it.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I really liked Invitation to a Beheading, but I wouldn't say it was his best work. It did, however, make me giggle a whole lot. It's a delight.

Jessa (Jessa), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

the first book i read by him was Nabokov's Quartet. Short stories. Fantastic.

mullygrubber (gaz), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)

there was somthing about the stories that somehow, unselfconsciously, made me think "fucking hell this is beautifully structured" (something i don't normally think when reading)

mullygrubber (gaz), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Destroy: Speak Memory, because I had to read this in my first year of college for an entry-level course and it was bewildering, even for me. It shouldn't be read without some kind of prior exposure to Nabokov. Blame this on the TA, who was writing her disseratation on autobiography and only assigned this and the Book of Margery Kempe for the whole semester. Nearly put me off Nabokov for life until I discovered Lolita and Pale Fire.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 13 February 2004 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Pick up his collected stories. (I prefer the later ones - they're organized chronologically - but there's good stuff throughout.) Read "Spring in Fialta" (the most beautiful love story ever written?), "Signs and Symbols, "Tyrants Destroyed" and "Lance". That should be enough to hook you. Dip into the book at your leisure over the next few years.

Mark Doten, Sunday, 15 February 2004 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Invitation to a Beheading and Pale Fire, for the love of god. Some of his poems are quite nice as well, love "Ode to a Model."

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 19 February 2004 02:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks for the suggestions, Mark. Those stories are soooo great. I read "The Dragon," too, and now I'm completely hooked. He might be the best American prose stylist ever. Sure there's Twain and Pynchon and Ellison and Hemingway and Faulkner and Stein and James and Fitzgerald and Bellow and Poe and Melville and whoever else I'm forgetting, but there's something about Nabokov's sentences, the surprising descriptions he throws in clause after clause, his playfulness, that's unlike anyone else I've read. Damn.

otto, Tuesday, 24 February 2004 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

In sort of the same vein, I'd prefer Ibsen -- more looking out, less self-pity, more nods to the "lie of life." Nabokov can be funny, but he can also feel like an ingrown hair. Invitation to a Beheading is great fun, but afterward I was left with a "um... um... OK, fella, that's a gas and I can identify -- to a perilous degree, whoo hoo I'm Jesus! -- but really, when I pull my head out of my ass I sometimes notice that other people do suffer too..." kind of taste in my mouth.

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Nabokov is ALL ABOUT the suffering of others!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Jerry, could you expand on that? I love Nabokov's style, but I don't really think of him as being big on emphathy-- he's such a smarty pants, . But maybe I'm missing something. I always think of him as a cool aristocract, an arrogant Leningrader with good reasons to be such a snob-- who could touch him, in Russian or English? Also, he was a little wicked. It's odd to compare him to Ibsen, but I can kind of see it-- Ibsen was a meglomaniac too (do you know the legend of the mirror he kept in the top of his tophat?), but he did have more of the comman touch.

Donald, Saturday, 28 February 2004 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Hi Donald. My feelings about Nabokov are very influenced by a great book by the brilliant Michael Wood: 'The Magician's Doubts'. He tries to tease apart different styles and signatures in the Nabokovian voice. You can actually find his magesterial opening chapter here: http://pup.princeton.edu/chapters/s5699.html

He doesn't deny the existence of the fussy mandarin smarty pants - indeed he is often annoyed by him - but he hints at the existence of, not so much an empathic humanist - but a writer whose aestheticism was a conscious construction, an evasion or swerve or scaffold to protect him from a personal history that was full of terrible loss and pain and grief. And this sensitivity to suffering, ironised through authorial voice and unreliable narrators, once you're looking for it, seems to be the great theme of his work. The Lolita we meet in Graystar at the end of the novel; the daughter in 'Pale Fire', the victims of torture or madness in so many books and stories... even funny old Pnin.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Saturday, 28 February 2004 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Jerry: So he was just a big Softy. Well, you've convinced me--I'll read the Wood piece when I get a chance. Thanks, it looks good.

donald, Saturday, 28 February 2004 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)

nine years pass...

The last phrase has a Nabokovian shimmer, recalling the final lines of The Real Life of Sebastian Knight or Pale Fire: it begs to be deflected and reapplied to the review itself, as well as to its author.

http://www.the-tls.co.uk/tls/public/article1243205.ece

amazing article, not sure where it belongs.

Chuck E was a hero to most (s.clover), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 18:50 (twelve years ago)

oh its in the tls thread.

Chuck E was a hero to most (s.clover), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 18:51 (twelve years ago)

search his monograph on Gogol. i'm re-reading it now and it is really great stuff. the opening chapter -- the description of gogol's own diary of a madman like final days -- are very masterfully written, haunting really. gogol is one of my favorite writers though so i am biased toward this book.

rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Thursday, 2 May 2013 02:10 (twelve years ago)

gave up four goals on fifteen shots tonight

mookieproof, Thursday, 2 May 2013 02:17 (twelve years ago)

that article was totally incredible yeah.

both nabokov's "lectures on" books are absolutely required even if occasionally terrific bullshit.

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 2 May 2013 02:28 (twelve years ago)

Miss Jane

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 May 2013 02:45 (twelve years ago)

i want to officially disagree with akmonday and say Search: Speak, Memory. i like that book and nabokov's non-fiction because i think his kind of bitchy, unapologetically mandarin non-fiction voice is great, even though his prejudices against like, any kind of political or psychological reading of anything are a bit maddening, especially since he breaks his own rules and talks about that stuff -- in his own way -- all the time. but yeah speak, memory is beautiful

i have opinions about empire burlesque (Treeship), Monday, 6 May 2013 03:34 (twelve years ago)

four months pass...

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1948/05/15/1948_05_15_031_TNY_CARDS_000214135

not sure if this has always been free, but here it is. still need to start wading through his story collection i got last christmas

druhilla (k3vin k.), Monday, 30 September 2013 16:13 (twelve years ago)

one year passes...

started re-reading Pale Fire last night cuz why not

Οὖτις, Thursday, 26 February 2015 19:56 (eleven years ago)

I remember there being some funny business about the contents of a closet. Tell me if you find the treasure.

poxy fülvous (abanana), Thursday, 26 February 2015 23:22 (eleven years ago)

honestly I remember very little about it beyond something about a deposed king of some obscure nation being involved in a murder and the secret/treasure alluded to in the poem, which tbh I have probably mixed up with the King in Yellow

Οὖτις, Thursday, 26 February 2015 23:30 (eleven years ago)

Even better the second time.

EPMD Conference 2015 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 26 February 2015 23:50 (eleven years ago)

Eh. I tried a few years ago. I loved it in college though

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 February 2015 23:50 (eleven years ago)

Third times the charm

EPMD Conference 2015 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 27 February 2015 03:41 (eleven years ago)

Missing apostrophe makes me an unreliable witness.

EPMD Conference 2015 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 27 February 2015 03:43 (eleven years ago)

write a poem in heroic couplets

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 February 2015 03:52 (eleven years ago)

loved pale fire when i first read it a few years ago but haven't revisited it since. always sort of wanted to do a close-reading of it, comparing it with a photocopy of the poem, etc., to figure out what was "really" happening, but never got around to it.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 27 February 2015 05:25 (eleven years ago)

very rewarding reread imo, espesh if you do it in a way you didn't do it the last time

difficult listening hour, Friday, 27 February 2015 06:32 (eleven years ago)

my powerful kramler

difficult listening hour, Friday, 27 February 2015 06:32 (eleven years ago)

i.e. skipping the poem

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 February 2015 11:47 (eleven years ago)

Ha, yes, exactly. And referring to it when desired or needed.

Perhaps the same can be said for all the "extra," out of sequence chapters in Rayuela.

EPMD Conference 2015 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 27 February 2015 11:52 (eleven years ago)

i love mary gaitskill's description of pale fire:

"a tragicomedy about the dream world shimmering under corporeal life, and the skulking hero's equally ardent and ridiculous attempt to find a bridge to that world through a misdirected love -- a strange misconnection harboring an imaginary connection more real than reality."

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 27 February 2015 22:34 (eleven years ago)

seven months pass...

lol @ classic dick move: http://www.openculture.com/2015/10/franz-kafka-says-the-insect-in-the-metamorphosis-should-never-be-drawn.html

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 October 2015 16:08 (ten years ago)

Oh well, Nabokov never wanted pictures of sexy young girls on the front of Lolita

http://chipkidd.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/lolita-book-covers-jackets-design-2.jpg

as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Thursday, 22 October 2015 23:22 (ten years ago)

^that Penguin cover seems to split the difference. the young girl depicted is clearly still a child, and without secondary sexual characteristics such as breasts, but the implied sexuality is also there and unavoidable, so the image is equivocal and disturbing. I'd call it a defensible choice. the other three are just straight up pandering to adult fantasies.

Aimless, Friday, 23 October 2015 03:37 (ten years ago)

the first and second are clearly spinoffs of the kubrick film

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 23 October 2015 06:17 (ten years ago)

fourth is from the adrian lyne movie.

this one

http://bookcoverarchive.com/wp-content/uploads/amazon/lolita.jpg

supposedly originally submitted in vertical orientation, which would have been vacantly titillating in comparison to that earlier penguin cover but which still prob would have been better than just some lips. really of course the cover should be the bars of a cage.

playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Friday, 23 October 2015 11:43 (ten years ago)

nabokov's metamorphosis reading is a lot of fun, iirc he makes a sketch of the apartment with measurements and suggests that all true readers must do this or smth

haha funny man

niels, Friday, 23 October 2015 13:02 (ten years ago)

btw penguin cover is disturbing, but kind of cool maybe

mine has this one, kind of boring

http://zaaxa.com/in/shop/image/cache/data/product_images/books/publisher01/9780141182537-750x1000.jpg

niels, Friday, 23 October 2015 13:03 (ten years ago)

The first Penguin cover above is a painting by Balthus - as Wikipedia puts it

Many of his paintings show young girls in an erotic context. Balthus insisted that his work was not erotic but that it recognized the discomforting facts of children's sexuality. In 2013, Balthus's paintings of adolescent girls were described by Roberta Smith in the New York Times as both "alluring and disturbing".

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 23 October 2015 13:38 (ten years ago)

nabokov's metamorphosis reading is a lot of fun, iirc he makes a sketch of the apartment with measurements and suggests that all true readers must do this or smth

for anna karenina you have to know the precise dimensions of a c-1870 russian railway carriage

playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 24 October 2015 20:34 (ten years ago)

really of course the cover should be the bars of a cage.

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i talk in a daze, i walk in a maze / i cannot get out, said the starling

k3vin k., Saturday, 24 October 2015 20:43 (ten years ago)

a settlement in the remotest northwest

playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 24 October 2015 20:44 (ten years ago)


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