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Those books that seemed significant when you're 18, but ridiculous a few years later:

Richard Bach - Jonathan Livingstone Seagull, Illusions, One. New age bollocks.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse

schwarz, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

you were reading them later than 18 G, I remember you telling me to read one when I was 20 odd. But yes, I wouldn't go near them now.

chris (chris), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh jeez, Illusions. I don't think i could read a Tom Robbins book anymore. And I haven't read Richard Brautigan in years, but i would probably still get a chuckle out of his poetry. Yeah, i guess it's mostly hippy stuff that i used to read as a teen and wouldn't read now. But I was on drugs! Timothy Leary's book Flashbacks was all the rage. Carlos Casteneda anyone? Or howzabout Ayn Rand? She was good when i thought i was a genius. (turns out i'm not).

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

You leave Brautigan out of this, Scott! He would regard this thread with a quizzical look, raise an eyebrow, then get wasted on beer and drugs.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, yes. Tom Fucking Robbins. "Still Life With Woodpecker" once brought tears to my eyes (facilitated by the thought of the girl who lent it to me, who taught me how to French kiss, went to prom with me and then hit on all my friends of both genders, but I liked her anyway because at least she was smart). Subsequently I bought or read all of Robbins's novels to that point, and stayed hooked until I got into John Gardner, o happy day.
Also lots of up-with-nerds literature: "The Happy Mutant Handbook" and such. And those "literary" novels you buy at garage sales when you first realize you're a "literary" reader.

Phil Christman, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh hell yes, Tom Robbins. I'd also like to say Jeanette Winterson and "On the Road." Two thing I've hidden from my shelves now that I know better.

Jessa (Jessa), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah, kerouac, forgot about my boyhood idol that you couldn't pay me to read now.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

That sounds mean actually. I like poor old Jack, it's just that their was a time and a place for him in my life and that time and place are long gone.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Bought Finnegan's Wake at 19. What was I thinking???!?!! And I hadn't even started the drugs yet.

PuzzleMonkey (PuzzleMonkey), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Read the question and though- ooh, must mention Tom Robbins, who once formed my world view and whose work I would now read neither new or old. I do not like it, Sam I am. I see I'm in good company.

Rabin the Cat (Rabin the Cat), Thursday, 11 March 2004 06:26 (twenty-two years ago)

The Stranger

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 11 March 2004 06:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Earlier than 18, more like 15 or 16, but The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test. Does anyone past the age of 16 take this shit seriously? I reread it a couple of years ago and was appalled.

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 11 March 2004 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

That apostrophe, I happen to know, etc etc

the blissfox, Thursday, 11 March 2004 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

There are many, many books I read when I was younger that I'm not interested in rereading. But I'm grateful to any book I've enjoyed, no matter how silly it looks to me now, because at the time I read it I was receptive to whatever was good in it and took that away with me.

There was a time in college and just after when I was overly infected with Ezra Pound's snobbism. But it was an homage I needed to pay him for teaching me about some important aspects of poetry. In retrospect, I wish I'd gotten over it sooner, but that was my own weakness answering Pound's. He wasn't to blame for it being there in me.

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 11 March 2004 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha, yeah, Tom Robbins. What a teen joke, right? [Grabbing copies of Still Life with Woodpecker and Jitterbug Perfume, shoving them in desk drawer.] Ha, I'm way over that shit. And The Stranger? [Tossing copy out window.] Oooo, je m'appelle Albert Camus and I'm so melancholy. Whatever. And I haven't read anything by Tom Wolfe [Deleting The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test from Amazon.com Wish List. Notice Another Roadside Attraction and deleting that as well.] but I knew his stuff must be rubbish. Oh, and a friend gave me a copy of Oranges are Not the Only Fruita while ago [Burying copy in dirty laundry basket] but, uh… I gave it to charity.

I’m pretty sad that most of the books everyone mentioned are ones I have and really like or ones I want. But I guess whatever lights your candle, right?

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Thursday, 11 March 2004 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

No particular embarrassments to look back on here, though I've read my fair share of crappy books. But then, I'm 23, so I'll have plenty of time to look back on all the crap I've been reading (heck, might be reading right now, heh)

I attempted reading The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test late last year, figuring it would, if nothing else, at least be entertaining in a "my, those druggies were crazy fools" way, but I found myself being either bored, or annoyed by what happened in the book, and I didn't like his writing either, so I ditched it after about one hundred pages.
Nonetheless, "A man in full" is somewhere on my mental to-read list.

I recently read a book by Hesse, though not Siddhartha, but "Under the wheels" (or whatever it might be called in English), and found that to be quite an enjoyable, though a bit depressing. Obviously its meaning is to some extent outdated now, at least here in Norway, but that's alright. I have plans to explore his bibliography further.

The Stranger? Damn, I read that just a month or two ago and loved it! I'd read "The Plague" last year too, which I liked better. But then, we Scandinavians are known for being gothy cucumbers anyways.

On The Road was fun for a while, but I found myself starting to lose interest after a while, though at least it was a quick read. No urge to read anything more by him, but I'm still glad I've read it. I bet it'd be a lot more appealing if I was the kind of person who gets kindled into "duuude, I should go on a roadtrip and have like a TOTALLY wicked time!" thoughts.

Meanwhile, I just asked the local library to order me "Trout fishing in America." Hopefully it's as good as some claim, and not going to bug me like I suspect it will.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Thursday, 11 March 2004 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Strange thread. If you loved a book as a teen, why ever would it follow that you would like it later? Liked Kerouac as a teen and found I couldn't read him four years later. Yet I still remember the thrill his writing gave to me then and regret its passing. L. Durrell was my god in High School and upon re-reading I find that though I still like him, my tastes have changed. Big deal. Life goes on. You can never go home. Blah, blah, blah. Would you have the temerity to look at your childhood reading choices?

P.S. leave Brautigan alone.

Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 11 March 2004 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

You know, I actually debated whether i should post on here cuz i figured that a lot of the things mentioned might be stuff that some people are STILL enjoying or were looking forward to reading based on their reputation.And that's fine! I think people, if they haven't, should definitely read Camus and Kafka and Hesse and Brautigan and Kerouac and anyone else mentioned. It's more, for me, that these books are a reminder of ME at 16 and 17 and that is a cringe-worthy memory. But i'm certainly not ashamed or embarrassed by anything that i read. Well, maybe Illusions and Jonathan Livingston Seagull. And Tom Robbins is a great storyteller! I think I just have less tolerance for some of his more "cutesy" affectations. And I still own tons of Brautigan. I just haven't looked at any of it in years except for some of the poetry. I think he was really talented. I loved The hawkline monster book too. But yeah, he does remind me of me at a miserable time in my life and that's where the groans come from. So carry on reading, young and old! (I'm 35 by the way) Don't be embarrassed by ANYTHING that you read. There is no such thing as a guilty pleasure. You never know where you will find something worthwhile and something worth savoring.

Oystein, In english Hesse's book is called Beneath The Wheel, and that book and his Demian helped keep me sane at a time when i really needed the help.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 11 March 2004 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

And Oystein, I should also mention that Knut Hamsun meant a great deal to me when i was younger as well. I would love to go back and read some of those books again.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 11 March 2004 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

>> -- NA (naamm...), March 11th, 2004.

Remove TOE MAIL?? Isn't that, like incredibly PAINFUL?!?!!!?! Whoever said bookreaders are wimps?

PuzzleMonkey (PuzzleMonkey), Thursday, 11 March 2004 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I love the Stranger (and Camus-in-general), but it's the source of so much bad teen existential angst. (Both in my life and others.)

Seriously, my senior AP English class shouldn't have been centered around Crime and Punishment, Hamlet and The Stranger. (among others) God only knows how much psychological damage was done.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 11 March 2004 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Bret Easton Ellis, Donna Tart(t?) and Annie Proulx.

writingstatic (writingstatic), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I think some people have misinterpreted this thread a little. It's more a case of reading something when you were young which seemed profound and which years of cynicism have rendered disagreeable. Richard Bach drops into that category for me. Richard Brautigan does not. It's all subjective, natch.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 12 March 2004 10:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I couldn't agree more with Scott's post. Read all of Kerouac between the ages of about 16 and 18, then all of Henry Miller and Knut Hamsun (hooray!) and Hermann Hesse and Lawrence and Nietzsche and Rimbaud and Kafka after that. None of these I'm embarrassed by, they all moved me *immensely* when I was younger. I think it's probably more the unabashed emotional reaction to that writing, skewed by teenage hysteria, that embarrasses now.

And fuck it, all these writers wrote stuff that I can still read and enjoy today. Yes, Kerouac would probably give me the hardest time there, but that's got an awful lot to do with the fact that he was the first writer I had that violently sympathetic reaction to, he was burnt into my imagination earlier, and somehow deeper, than all the rest. Sure, of everyone, his books probably *are* the weakest in the main. Way too sentimental and that err, 'hip' style of his really grates now (my God though, imagine what it would have been like to read him in the 50s!). But Big Sur remains an amazing and scary book, and I'd still take the charm of Dharma Bums over anything and everything old Poo-poo Hemingway ever wrote.

Øystein, with Hesse, Demian and Steppenwolf were really the two great books for me. I have a feeling that if I were to go to that shelf now though, it'd be one of his sadder, more pastoral things I'd go for - Knulp or Klingsor's Last Summer.

Damn, remember how books could once be so life-changing?

NickB (NickB), Friday, 12 March 2004 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Does anyone have an experience re-reading Salinger after their teenage years? I read and enjoyed most of his stuff at 18, and now i'm wondering what I would think of them as a worldly 24 year old.

Sengai, Friday, 12 March 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Vermont Girl writes:I’m pretty sad that most of the books everyone mentioned are ones I have and really like or ones I want. But I guess whatever lights your candle, right?

As alluded to by others, it's not that I necessarily dislike Tom Robbins now, although I haven't (and probably won't) read his last three. It's more that I no longer view him as writing the map of my worldview in redheaded prose.

Rabin the Cat (Rabin the Cat), Friday, 12 March 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Battlefied Earth, L-Ron

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 12 March 2004 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Hitchhiker's Guide, etc.

(ducks)

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 12 March 2004 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

(although I thought the sequels were k-lame even as a teen)

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 12 March 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

also: PIERS ANTHONY, with which you may now lock this thread

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 12 March 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Skinhead.

Lord Byron Lived Here, Saturday, 13 March 2004 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

something when you were young which seemed profound and which years of cynicism have rendered disagreeable

Well I wasn't "young" but I thought Don DeLillo was the bees knees in my 20s but now I look at his inscrutable prose and think '"what bollocks is he going on about?" and "C'mon Don, real people don't speak like telegrams"

LondonLee (LondonLee), Sunday, 14 March 2004 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Er, um ...
The Drifters by Mitchner *ducking* (I thought it was brilliant - go figure)
Friday and Stranger in a Strange Land by Heinlein (liked for the sex)
Fear of Flying (also liked for the sex but didn't get the literary references) (and whatever the sequel was, which was read and re-read for the lesbianism references)

I still love Tom Robbins, though his last three have been so horrid that I've resigned myself to not reading anything else he publishes.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 10:40 (twenty-one years ago)

MsLaura writes: "Friday and Stranger in a Strange Land by Heinlein (liked for the sex)"

Ah, yes me to. Took me far too long to understand that Heinlein was no friend to women. Although I will probably continue to reread "Number of the Beast" for the time-travel dipping into fictional worlds.

Rabin the Cat (Rabin the Cat), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I am with Scott, who read Jonathan Livingston Seagull. Also, a boyfriend got me to read 'Zen and the art of motorcyle maintenance', which I read and liked at the time. Also, there's Anne Rice and some crappy sci-fi stuff. Not that sci-fo is bad----I love some sci-fi, but trust me, this was crappy sci-fi.
I think I have read one Tom Robbins novel and I have no memory of it, that's how much it meant to me.

bookdwarf (bookdwarf), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I just got a serious flashback to 9th grade today when i saw a copy of Lord Foul's Bane by Stephen Donaldson on the shelf at the thrift store. One of the only fantasy series i ever read cuz a friend of mine kept telling me how good it was. I don't think i actually read the last book.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

All this Tom Robbins talk is funny. I never actually read any of his books, though there was a stretch in there (when I was about 16-18) where I pretended I had, and I casually mentioned him in lists of authors I liked. I picked up a copy of Skinny Legs and All at the public library for something like 25 cents and probably lent it to half a dozen people during my first year of college. It's still sitting on my bookshelf.

mck (mck), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Rabin, I'd forgotten about Number of the Beast - how embarassing! In regards to Stranger in a Strange Land, I had a copy with the cover art showing, somewhere on the front, a bare-chested woman - I was so titillated and embarassed that I tore off the cover.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)

The thing about Tom Robbins is, for me, he’s the King of the Similes, and that was such a big hook for me when I was whatever age I was (and as any teacher of writing knows, the quickest and easiest way to get students from grade 3 to whatever to pay attention is to get them to start making similes). He made it look so easy; he obviously had (sadly, he seems to have lost it) a natural talent . And it’s also my main problem with him now; I think his style (which relies so heavily on clever associations) hog-tied him from devoloping into a mature voice. When I compare him to his 70’s druggie-inspired writing compadres like Jim Harrison, Robert Stone and Tom McGuane, Tom R. falls far short. But that’s kinda the point of this thread—the writing that we might be embarrassed by now, got us here. We wouldn’t be the same without having those training wheels. They’re cultural mileposts. They also, literally, paved associative pathways. Maybe I'd never have appreciated something good without having taken the introductory course, taught by Professors Hesse, Kerouac, Heinlen, etc. Thing is, Tom Robbins never got beyond being a mere T.A.

I loved Another Roadside Attraction. He had this simile that I couldn’t get out of my head: living near Puget Sound was like living inside "a salad with a washcloth on top.” Anyone that ever lived in Olympia would have to admit that that was a perfect description.

Donald, Wednesday, 17 March 2004 05:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been saddened by Robbins' last three efforts (everything post Skinny Legs and All) - after much thought I've concluded that he's now writing like he wishes he was on drugs, when he's actually clean. It's as though he's reaching for that freedom and creativity and failing and so he's bluffing his way through the writing process. His ideas haven't been that bad, and some could have been developed into something entertaining and witty and memorable, but instead they just fall flat, at least for me. It's sad, because I am constantly mentioning snipets of his earlier books as entertaining anecdotes.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 05:42 (twenty-one years ago)

All of Jeffrey's Archer's books. I wanted to be a politician, and read First Among Equals. I then read Kane and Abel and was moved. Please do not hate me.

Dave B (daveb), Friday, 19 March 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...
Trevanian. Even though I still play Go and I own Colloquial Basque, I have to say that Shibumi has got to be one of the worst books ever written -- even though I didn't think so at age 16.

JoXn Costello, Saturday, 3 April 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Word in the Ayn Rand. So bad. Everyone I know is going through this stage where they're reading books that I thought everyone read when they were thirteen: Hesse, Ayn Rand, Camus, JRR Tolkien, Robbins. And the sacred cow, whom (apparently) I am not allowed to mock: Vonnegut. I used to love him. Didn't everyone? IN HIGH SCHOOL. Move on, people.
P.S. Salinger is still good. Everything in Nine Stories will hold up forever.

Scott Matheson, Saturday, 3 April 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)


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