C/D: Jane Eyre

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I just read this article, which made me want to reread Jane Eyre for the billionth time. While I'm in agreement with the subjects of the article, I do know people who hate Jane Eyre with a fiery passion. So what's the consensus?

Jessa (Jessa), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you have to be a member to access this?

Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I loved Jane Eyre growing up. I used to read it about once a year. I have not revisited this book since high school, but now I may. So much happens to Jane Eyre. Her aunt and cousins are so terrible and then she is sent to that awful school. And the one bright spot, Helen Burns, dies on her. And when she discovers she has other family later after she flees Rochester. I think it was the first book I read that had much depth to it.

Megan (bookdwarf), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

The Brontes all meld together in my mind. I started with Wuthering Heights, then went to Charlotte, then Anne and finished with a pilgrimage to Howarth. Six months of intensive Bronteism. Then nothing for years. I read Wide Sargasso Sea a couple of years back, but that's all. Not sure what I'd make of Jane Eyre now.

Incidentally, my Penguin classic edition has that great drawing of Charlotte in a grey tint.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

If you want to read the article but don't want to register, I think the login artsjournal/artsjournal works.

Jessa (Jessa), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a theory that a person is either a Jane Eyre person (and detests Wuthering Heights) or a Wuthering Heights person (and detests Jane Eyre). I know a handful of strange people who love both, and approximately one million who hate both, but in general, my theory holds...

Em, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

jane eyre is classic. i love wuthering heights, too.

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I love Wuthering Heights and Jane Eyre, but I have only reread Jane Eyre. There is something about her that you have to love. I must admit though that the books I reread the most are Jane Austen's - especially Pride and Prejudice. I think the thing that I love the most about these two books, Eyre and P&P, is that the chracters are flawed, but lovable, the language is beautiful, and they make me smile. And any Jane Eyre lovers who have not read The Eyre Affair by Fforde, should definitely try it.

Michelle, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Wuthering Heights is a different kettle of fish to the others, I suppose. The descriptions of the heath are similar to those Thomas Hardy was trying to put across in Return of the Native. All that blustering and howling etc.

I thank Penguin for printing a family tree in the front of the book too. I would have gone potty without it.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I love both too. But Jane Eyre has a special place in my heart because it was the first "adult" book I read that prompted my young mind to become aware of how history relates to books. Previously most books I had read had historical settings, but were written by more contemporary authors. I was very intrigued by (and wanted to marry) Mr. Rochester, who was different to the sort of hero present in most children's books.

Jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Wuthering Heights better than Jane Eyre. I like the dark atmosphere of both the tales but since Wuthering Heights was darker I like it more.
Though I really like some parts of Jane Eyre like when her childhood friend dies or like when she was just about to get married and when she goes to that place begging for food and stuff. The ending of Jane Eyre was calm and soothing and I liked that feel.
I couldn't read that article cuz I had no time to register. You could have posted a login to make it easier for us to access it.

Fred (Fred), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, Jane Eyre was my childhood too. I still reread it fairly frequently. Though I skip right the hell over the stuff with the cousins at the end.

I got to see Bronte's original handwritten draft while I was in London last month. It was pretty awesome.

Lizlet, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Jane Eyre is one of the dudliest duds around. There are some good moments in the first third but it all falls apart and there isn't a single enjoyable character or sensical event in the last third. The writing isn't particularly all that good either.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I hated Jane Eyre. I loathed it. Maybe it was because I didn't read it until I was 18, or maybe it's because I'm not really a big fan of Victorian period England. For some reason the only person I felt sympathy for was poor, crazy old Bertha. Which is probably why I liked Wide Sargasso Sea a whole lot more.

Erin, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I read Jane Eyre in my late teens. I liked it a lot... for all its happy ending it has an air of sadness and melancholia that is oddly appealing. My favourite character is that missionary fellow - isn't he a bit of a dirty vicar?

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I would like to name more children Bramwell. Not mine, you understand. Somebody else's.

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

"I got to see Bronte's original handwritten draft while I was in London last month. It was pretty awesome."

Lizlet, as it in the British Library? Pray do tell, young lass.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Overwrought, feminine anguish is not usually my cup of tea but the Bronte's give good narative and even better language. The thing that keeps me away, the reason I don't reread them, is the metaphysical stuff puts it a bit beyond my particular pale. Though I may be confessing a relative shallowness I'm more interested in the marriage prospects of the Austin heroine than the longings of the souls of the Bronte's. Next project - mining the the Eliot mystique.

Robert Burns, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 10:45 (twenty-one years ago)

TS or George? Or the kid from ET?

Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)

"TS or George?"

If you would just try sometimes, Mikey G., to read my mind than I wouldn't have to be more clear. However, though they are fine Elliots all, the ones you listed, the one I meant was The Girl Named George.

Robert Burns, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I know that Charlotte Brontë is the heir to Austen's throne, and all, but I would that it were for a better book than Jane Eyre. Villette, for example, is a much better-wrought urn.

My loudest complaint about Jane Eyre is that she fluffs the Bertha plotting, reducing her to an easily-missed shadow, rather than allowing her status as a menacing presence in the wings.

SRH (Skrik), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 11:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Villette the Brussels book? Belgium, not sprouts, obviously. I liked that very much. Almost autobiography isn't it? My memory may be playing tricks here, it was a long time ago.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah Mikey.

JE is easily my favorite book. I reread it a couple of times a year. I did my senior thesis on Charlotte and, more specifically, her juvenalia. My university has quite a bit of her original, youthful work.

I don't dislike WH but it never has captured me the way JE has. I've tried to reread it a couple of times but usually get bored and quit. I've read all of the Bronte's work and Charlotte is easily my favorite. I think Anne is often overlooked. Tenant of Wildfell Hall is great.

Anyone else visited Haworth?

Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

villette is the brussels one, but you might be thinking of agnes gray as the near-autobiography. srh is right about the former. it's an incredibly well-written and crushing book.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone here stumbled upon "The Eyre Affair" by Jasper FForde? My daughter turned me on to that -- it's a kind of a Buffy the [well read] Vampire Slayer to the rescue of Victorian England thing, complete with Jane and Rochester.

Jane is marvelous. Dont know why I didnt name my daughter after HER! (Oh -- maybe to spare her some of the heartbreak, and steer her ever-so-gracefully away from men who want impose missionary wifehood upon her.)

bridgevt (bridgevt), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been to Haworth. The Parsonage is lovely. The rest of the town is tourist tat, but the moors are great. The wind, the rain etc. Hmm, doesn't exactly sell it, does it?

The other pilgrimage site is Branwell's smeary painting of the three sisters in the National Gallery in London.

Their father outlived them all, I think.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Cream tea in Haworth (village) is worth the money. The excessive cost of no more than 15 minutes in the house kept me out.

SRH (Skrik), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

B..b..but The Tenant Of Wildfell Hall has the least convincing male romantic lead ever! (I realise that this may be the point and/or appeal).

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

The other pilgrimage site is Branwell's smeary painting of the three sisters in the National Gallery in London.

yes I visited this three times. He painted himself out!

I don't remember a time limit on being in the house. . .

yes, their father outlived them all.

There's a fantastic biography of them by Juliet Barker who later went on to compile their letters into another great read.

Hmm. .. I think I have the beginnings of my summer vacation set out for me. :)

Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm looking forward to getting the bronte myth when it's out in paperback.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

If you haven't explored their juvenalia I highly recommend it. I'm not as familiar with Branwell and Emily's (the children paired up to write them) as all of my college research focused on Charlotte and Anne's. But it's amazing stuff. More in volume than any of the adult work and fantastically complex little worlds to have come from the minds of children.

The only exhaustive collection comes from Christine Alexander but they are very hard to find. If you're at a large university or have a good inter-library program you might be able to track them down.

Juliet Barker also put together a small collection for Penguin and there's Penguin volume that combines a few of Charlotte's stories with a few of Austen's juvenalia pieces. These should be fairly easy to find.

Part of my senior thesis was a collection of these stories collected and edited to serve as a middle-school reader - complete with lesson plans. I had no plans to teach middle-school then and find the ironing delicious. I wouldn't attempt to teach my proposed book now.

This whole thread has made me excited. In college I was heading along the lines of going to English grad school and making the Brontes my speciality. But the excitement I got out of finally getting Alexander's volumes in my hands was a bit muted when I realized I was the first person to check them out in about 15 years. In the end I couldn't hang with a career that would only interest an odd scholar or two every other decade or so.

Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Jean Rhys' Wide Sargasso Sea felt like Jane Eyre from inside the burning attic.
And echoes in Hilary Mantel's An Experiment in Love.
Or maybe it's just me.

Lance Boyle, Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Just a bit of Erye-ie trivia: this is the book read around the campfire by the runaways(lost boys?)on their way to outlawry in the excellent 1972 western "Bad Company" http://imdb.com/title/tt0068245/

Mike Culpepper, Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

What about Emily's poetry? Anyone like this? The Parsonage sells little Penguin 60's books of the sisters' poetical leanings.

One other Howarth pilgrimage site (and then I'll shut up), the Black Bull. For all the strict religious ferver and harsh Victorian atmosphere, someone had to take solace in drink and drugs. Step forward, Branwell. Unfortunately, you can't toke up your opium pipe in the bar now. It's the law. I think he used to buy it from the apothecary in Howarth (which is also still around).

I can't link pictures, but some photos of Howarth, the moors and NP Gallery picture wouldn't go amiss.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 20 May 2004 07:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Branwell's portrait
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/8723/bronte.html

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 20 May 2004 07:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I would have thought Villette edged nearer to 'overwrought feminine anguish' than Jane Eyre. However I like them both a lot. The first half of Jane Eyre is greatness.

Wide Sargasso Sea is possibly even better.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 20 May 2004 13:26 (twenty-one years ago)

This totally needs reposting:

http://cheshiredave.com/mastication/covers/200310/images/bronte-full.jpg

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Totally!

Archel (Archel), Friday, 21 May 2004 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Definitive adaptation.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 21 May 2004 09:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I've got some poems by bronte sisters and even one brother (I guess) but I never bothered to read them. Something tells me they are not good. Anyone here read them?

Fred (Fred), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's one of Emilys cheerful ditties

HOW CLEAR SHE SHINES

by: Emily Brontë (1818-1848)

HOW clear she shines! How quietly
I lie beneath her guardian light;
While heaven and earth are whispering me,
"To morrow, wake, but dream to-night."
Yes, Fancy, come, my Fairy love!
These throbbing temples softly kiss;
And bend my lonely couch above,
And bring me rest, and bring me bliss.

The world is going; dark world, adieu!
Grim world, conceal thee till the day;
The heart thou canst not all subdue
Must still resist, if thou delay!

Thy love I will not, will not share;
Thy hatred only wakes a smile;
Thy griefs may wound--thy wrongs may tear,
But, oh, thy lies shall ne'er beguile!
While gazing on the stars that glow
Above me, in that stormless sea,
I long to hope that all the woe
Creation knows, is held in thee!

And this shall be my dream to-night;
I'll think the heaven of glorious spheres
Is rolling on its course of light
In endless bliss, through endless years;
I'll think, there's not one world above,
Far as these straining eyes can see,
Where Wisdom ever laughed at Love,
Or Virtue crouched to Infamy;

Where, writhing 'neath the strokes of Fate,
The mangled wretch was forced to smile;
To match his patience 'gainst her hate,
His heart rebellious all the while.
Where Pleasure still will lead to wrong,
And helpless Reason warn in vain;
And Truth is weak, and Treachery strong;
And Joy the surest path to Pain;
And Peace, the lethargy of Grief;
And Hope, a phantom of the soul;
And life, a labour, void and brief;
And Death, the despot of the whole!

Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 21 May 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i'll have to re-read wide sargasso sea I wasn't too taken by it the first time.

anyone read Madwoman in the Attic by Gilber and Guber?

I haven't read much of their poetry but then I don't really enjoy poetry too much.

I had a pint (or two) at the Black Bull. :)

Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Saturday, 22 May 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I only just read JE as part of my summertime non-Uni-related reading binge, solely because I'd just discovered Jean Rhys' Quartet, and had it fixed in my mind that I HAD to read it before Wide Sargasso Sea. Wasn't thrilled at the prospect (my edition is a horrible tie-in with the Zefferelli flick, so I re-covered it with a Ghost World poster), but to my great surprise I just loved it: what I didn't expect was the darkness of the humour, and how horrible Jane can be, and yet so uncomprimisingly awesome.
Really, really dug Wide Sargasso..., too - was lucky enough to see After Mrs Rochester, the play about Rhys' life, the day after reading it. So my summer was all about Eyre/Rhys/Bertha.

Margo, Sunday, 23 May 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

six years pass...

Young Jane has a good joke about avoiding hellfire: "I must keep in good health and not die."

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 March 2011 18:32 (fourteen years ago)

Skip ahead to the Rochester-Jane exchanges. "Do you find me handsome, Ms Eyre?" "No, sir."

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 March 2011 18:37 (fourteen years ago)

two months pass...

Saw this tonight. I sheepishly admit to not having read the novel or seen any of the previous versions...Anyway, Michael Fassbender's resemblance to Daniel Day-Lewis was the most distracting lookalike to me since the guy in Tetro who looked so much like Leonardo DiCaprio.

clemenza, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 03:41 (fourteen years ago)

three months pass...

I loved this movie -- the best costume drama since Bright Star and a superb adaptation.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:15 (fourteen years ago)

yeah, was surprised at how good and faithful it was

not bulimic, just a cat (James Morrison), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:42 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

anyone read the professor? i'm three chapters in. the prose is a bit stiff but i'm hoping it'll pick up

look at my watch/I'm in the club and everyone's looking at me/fuck th (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 June 2013 15:44 (twelve years ago)

the only other C. Bronte novel I've read is Villette. I couldn't stand the heroine.

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 23 June 2013 15:51 (twelve years ago)

supposedly the one i'm reading is pretty similar to that one, but wasn't picked up by any publishers and was only published posthumously

look at my watch/I'm in the club and everyone's looking at me/fuck th (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 June 2013 15:57 (twelve years ago)


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