Sorting out Bellow

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I've now read a few books by Saul Bellow - Mr. Sammler's Planet, Henderson the Rain King, 1/3 of Augie March, about 2/3 of his Collected Stories - and I've had a strangely scattered experience. At his best he's great, and I have no trouble at all seeing why Roth, Updike, Amis et al, hold him up as such an idol. His best seems to me to be the city bus stuff in Sammler, some of the stuff with the tribes in Henderson (particularly the bit with the dead body), and a few of the short stories, among them that one from early in the book about the boy whose father steals a silver tray. But at his worst, his books have a supernatural power to put me to sleep. I'm talking about the extended philosophical talk with the Indian physicist in Sammler, some of the more abstract musing on his situation early in Henderson, bunches and bunches of the stories, and, most surprisingly, nearly all of the 1/3 that I've read of Augie March. Augie March is always being held up as the Great American Novel, but I found myself deeply bored by it. And when I thought about my boredom, it seemed to me that Bellow has a bunch of identifiable habits that mar his books. He is great at describing characters - particularly he is great at describing them physically - but he is too often awful at - or, more likely, uninterested in - writing scenes. After putting down Augie March, I found myself hungry for a book that, page-by-page, kept its characters located in space and time, and that told a story. Bellow must be the least talented storyteller of any Great Writer. Does anyone agree with me? And if so, can anyone point me toward the places in Bellow's ouevre where he is at what I seem to consider his best? Can anyone convince me to retry Augie March?

David Elinsky (David Elinsky), Saturday, 22 May 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Read the early stuff. Dangling Man, The Victim, Seize The Day. All short and sweet. Good stories too. I dunno about Augie. I love it, but I love it more for the words/sentences/pictures it paints. He never let loose like that again in a great amurican novel sorta way. But most of his other books ARE great or very good american novels. And no, storytelling isn't really what makes him great. Henderson is probably the most plot-driven. And funnily enough, it's my least favorite of his. Ha ha! Go figure. Anyway, I would go with the early stuff if you feel weighted down by the weighty stuff. The arguments, the internal battles, the philosophy. All the stuff I love. You know, there are people who consider The Victim and Seize The Day the real masterpieces and not Augie. Augie does suffer a bit from being so over-stuffed and the plot kinda goes all over the place. But for the childhood stuff and the Chicago stuff it's amazing.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 22 May 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry if that wasn't so coherent. i was trying to feed the baby dinner and type at the same time.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 22 May 2004 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

My experience of "Augie March" is that the first half of it is pretty much perfect, but that it tends to wander a bit in the second half. There was a good review by J.M. Coetzee in the NY Review of Books a few weeks ago that I think nails what is great about "Augie". Here are a few quotes from Coetzee's review:

"Dangling Man and The Victim had brought Bellow to the attention of literary circles, but it was Augie March, winner of the National Book Award for 1953, that made his name. By his own account he had a great time writing it, and for the first few hundred pages his creative excitement is infectious. The reader is exhilarated by the daring, high-speed, racy prose, by the casual ease with which one mot juste ("Karas, in a sharkskin, double-breasted suit and presenting a look of difficulties in shaving and combing terrifically outwitted") after another is tossed off. Not since Mark Twain had an American writer handled the demotic with such verve. The book won its readers over with its variety, its restless energy, its impatience with the proprieties"

"Once it becomes clear that its hero is to lead a charmed life, Augie March begins to pay for its lack of dramatic structure and indeed of intellectual organization. The book becomes steadily less engaging as it proceeds. The scene-by-scene method of composition, each scene beginning with a tour de force of vivid word painting, begins to seem mechanical. The many pages devoted to Augie's adventures in Mexico, occupied in a harebrained scheme to train an eagle to catch iguanas, add up to precious little, despite the resources of writing lavished on them. And Augie's principal wartime escapade, torpedoed, trapped with a mad scientist in a lifeboat off the African coast, is simply comic-book stuff."

Here's the link to the full review:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17110

o. nate (onate), Sunday, 23 May 2004 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...
I just read Seize the Day, and on p.9 I came across: "Wilhelm...raised the brows of his round and somewhat circular eyes." I read on, of course, and encountered many a brilliant passage and scene, but the sentence stuck with me, and I think it sort of typifies what keeps me from falling for Bellow. Is there any difference between "round" and "somewhat circular"? It seems to me that his authorial temperature sometimes gets so high that he spews out fevered nonsense. Which sounds harsher than I meant it to.

David Elinsky (David Elinsky), Sunday, 16 January 2005 01:33 (twenty years ago)

"It seems to me that his authorial temperature sometimes gets so high that he spews out fevered nonsense."

Have you read Herzog? The internal monologues and unwritten letters of main character, ol' Mose, can almost be seen as a (self) parody of this over-heated impulse.

I'd like to add the late "novel" Ravelstein to the must-read list. Perhaps because of its autobiographical element it's more immediate w/stronger scenes and dialogue. It's far easier to read than even the earliest stuff that Scott rightly recommeded. Written in his 80s!

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Sunday, 16 January 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

Ravelstein (Bellow) on self-invention:

"The challenge of modern freedom, or the combination of isolation and freedom which confronts you, is to make yourself up. The danger is you may emerge from the process as a not-entirely human creature."

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Sunday, 16 January 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

no I fuxed that up. The quote is from Chick, who is the Bellow character, not Ravelstein.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Sunday, 16 January 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

i really liked augie march &, to a lesser extent, seize the day, but thought herzog was impossibly dense and depressing. augie march is the best because it's so full of optimism, of the potential of life... it drags a bit at times, yeah, but people hold it up as (one of) The Great American Novel(s) i think because it has such magnificent spirit, seems to look at the world with such childlike wonder, in which anything is possible really. fate will sort things out, just let it sweep you along...

j c (j c), Sunday, 16 January 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

"Hitch your agony to a star!" (I love that line, but I can't remember what book it's from.)

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 16 January 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

I thoroughly agree with you, David. Storytelling, per se, doesn't seem Bellow's metier, and his great books--Herzog, Henderson, Humbolt's Gift, even Seize The Day--seem so despite this "flaw." Or rather, are great it ways that sort of moot the question: it's not as if they could be put into some other, more concise shape and retain the greatness.

I've never gotten through Augie March, though, for this reason. You should read Herzog, though.

Dark Horse, Monday, 17 January 2005 02:19 (twenty years ago)

round and somewhat circular eyes

I can't tell from the little context given - but is the person meant to be surprised? Because "round eyed" doesn't necessarily mean the literal shape of a person's eyes - it can also mean "surprised". So in that case, the "round" part could indicate surprise, and the "somewhat circular" could be a specific description of the shape of the person's eyes.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
Not all round things are circular.

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 7 April 2005 02:01 (twenty years ago)

When I saw the title of this thread I thought it was a rather violent chapter from Henry James's autobiography, "Aggro, Aggro, Aggro!".

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 7 April 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

five years pass...

lengthy & revealing interview w/Janis Bellow on Saul's upcoming Letters

modest marky (m coleman), Sunday, 10 October 2010 13:07 (fifteen years ago)

At first glance, I thought that was Paul Daniels.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 October 2010 15:57 (fifteen years ago)

five years pass...

His novels are so lumpy, right? Rereading Humboldt's Gift, I'm having the same trouble with its anxious plotting and almost flippant way with chronology as I did more than a decade ago.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 November 2015 03:01 (nine years ago)

yup

All The Squares Go Pwn (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 November 2015 03:18 (nine years ago)

I've given up on enjoying Augie but feel like I have to finish it anyway

calstars, Saturday, 28 November 2015 04:35 (nine years ago)

It isn't v good, imo. Some rly great sections, a flabby whole. That whole Updike/Roth/him crowd, I feel obligated to explore them, but they're all no better than intermittently good (or great, in Roth's case, tho that's mostly The Ghost Writer) so far.

albvivertine, Saturday, 28 November 2015 05:25 (nine years ago)

i don't agree! i can't read updike though. so i guess i agree with that. bellow and and roth though...they could be way better than intermittently good. they could be better than most. at least in this stupid country.

scott seward, Saturday, 28 November 2015 05:47 (nine years ago)

that's a hell of a backpedal, scott

thwomp (thomp), Saturday, 28 November 2015 08:37 (nine years ago)

Really enjoyed the Rabbit books by Updike and the Bech books by Roth. Both series are compulsively readable without any focus on style (to me) - something Augie just isn't. In Augie the baroque is just distracting.

calstars, Saturday, 28 November 2015 14:19 (nine years ago)

i should really re-read some bellow. haven't read him in years.

augie is definitely overstuffed, but the good stuff is so good.

scott seward, Saturday, 28 November 2015 18:27 (nine years ago)


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