This James Wood essay -- C/D

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http://www.lrb.co.uk/v26/n10/wood02_.html

Really the first half, about the void between academic discourse and the reading public is what interests me here -- it is a fascinating paradox, replicated in film studies, that despite thousands more graduates of Eng Lit being out there (compared w/ 40 years ago), the quality of popular criticism is low -- or rather, non-existant.

Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

As I see it, there is an issue that is not being addressed here: the difference between academic and journalistic criticism. Academic criticism aims to be objective: it cannot talk about quality, as there are no objective criteria by which to judge it. For the same reason, it cannot treat authoristic intent, except in a passing note: authors may not really know themselves, hence psychoanalytic approaches to literature.

Journalistic criticism, and the stuff we get into in our everyday lives when we recommend a book to a friend, is subjective: it treats the individual's reaction to the book, and thus often contains a judgement of quality. This kind of criticism is valuable to book readers, book sellers, newspapers, and society at large, but it is without the realm of the academy.

Academic mills, turning out millions upon millions of Englsih literature graduates every year, are never going to equip their victims for successful lives writing reviews in the newspapers; they don't aim to.

SRH (Skrik), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks for the link, NRQ: I have been meaning to get a hold of that review for ages.

I am not sure I'll like it, when I read it. Yet, probably some things in it I will, really, agree with.

the bellefox, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

SRH: so what *does* the academy equip you for? surely that's a matter for evaluative judgement? (certainly from the taxpayer's view it is!) and in any case who says that the academy ought not introduce value, in a limited sense? it's not more a subjective property than the decision to choose this *set* of 'objective' criteria over another, ie Marx OR Freud (OR Derrida OR Merleau-Ponty OR...)

(of course, all academies *do* have notions of value. why otherwise would 'middlemarch' have a better showing there than the sweet valley high series of novels?)

Enrique, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

What does the academy equip us for? A question I have been asking myself for a while now.

1. To work analytically.
2. To write coherently and persuasively.
3. To study.
4. To manage time.
5. Other stuff (includes drinking, screwing around, practical jokes, and all that).

The implicit evaluation of literature, and its denial, was one of the many reasons I left my university.

SRH (Skrik), Thursday, 3 June 2004 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I've read this and found it fascinating. I'm not sure I like it and I'm sceptical as to how much I agree with... it, or him, but it is an interesting article.

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 3 June 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

(Bonus points for his championing of Larkin's 'Aubade'.)

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 3 June 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

eleven months pass...
the academy has to my knowledge never attempted to equip me to study or manage time or tell jokes or drink.

equip.

Josh (Josh), Monday, 9 May 2005 06:13 (twenty years ago)

did you ever live in dorms? were the other inhabitants robots?

tom west (thomp), Monday, 9 May 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

or zombies?

tom west (thomp), Monday, 9 May 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

"Not to attend to a plausible reconstruction of the author's aesthetic intentions is not to attend to the made-ness, the constructedness, of the artwork" is an interesting point but i have no idea when and where it has been made before;

lots of this reads like parody when he talks about what's in the Stevenson book: "Stevenson's story is that the 1960s were a time of political innovation and experiment" (my god!);

the ending - the appeal to the reader to agree w/ Wood on the grounds that he will stick up for the undying goodness of V.S. Naipaul - is kinda odd. did SRH actually read the essay?

all the literary history in the "literary history" paragraph is pretty much fertilizer.

i only just noticed this thread is a year old. oyy.

tom west (thomp), Monday, 9 May 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)

my encounters with the undead and the never living were only accidental to the academy's intentions for me.

Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 04:04 (twenty years ago)

Just stumbled over this and I'm either confused or totally enlightened by SRH's first comment. I mean, academic criticism over the last half-decade has been all about radical subjectivity; that post puts "individual reaction" on the journalistic side, but reader-response theory and Stanley Fish are the ivory tower's babies. So is SRH's point that there's some sort of paradox in operation here -- that the subjectivity of academic trends puts them in the position of being utterly objective about value? Because that seems to be the primary difference: journalistic criticism is required to make some kind of judgment about ground-level value (this book is worth reading, this one isn't), whereas academic criticism often does better to ignore it, does better to examine texts rather than rate them.

The problem with journalistic criticism is that it tends to be spectacularly bad at the examination part: even in fairly non-fluffy publications, the average book review is just an extended plot summary and a few calls on whether the book is enjoyable or not. The space in the center of that divide -- non-academic texts that actually get into discussing how books work and what books mean -- is, yes, missing.

I don't so much blame criticism, though: I think that kind of discourse is just generally missing from culture at large. I don't even feel like I see very much of it on this board, which has less to do with us as posters and more to do with a whole lot of structural stuff that I'll maybe save for another post.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

I try to do that with poetry sometimes.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

Well, at the risk of sounding like I didn't read the essay, lemme go off on a tangent: I don't think there's a lot of encouragement given to skilled writers who might want to apply their critical talents to popular crit of books. There's much more career opportunity in academia, if you insist upon being bookish, or in other fields of criticism, if you insist on being popular. I work at a fairly major alt-weekly newspaper that boasts about its support of the arts. Indeed, it employs two staff movie writers, two or three staff writers dedicated to music, an editor and a Swelter-writer who run the kingdom of theater, a weekly visual-art columnist, a society column... aaaand one overstretched editor devoted part-time to books coverage. I think there are people who are well "equipped" (perche non?) to write good popular crit, but their time is better spent, career-wise, on other things. Like fly fishing. Or even writing more novels that won't get properly critiqued but might get hyped in Sassy by accident.

As far as lit as crit goes: mmm, mmmmaaaaybe the right people aren't getting book deals. But we've hashed that out on other threads.

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 22:56 (twenty years ago)

what do you think of it now, enrique?

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

He is like Denys the Alexandrian, who in Flaubert's account received orders from heaven to read every book in the world.

ha!

youn, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

The problem with journalistic criticism is that it tends to be spectacularly bad at the examination part: even in fairly non-fluffy publications, the average book review is just an extended plot summary and a few calls on whether the book is enjoyable or not. The space in the center of that divide -- non-academic texts that actually get into discussing how books work and what books mean -- is, yes, missing.

I think what Nabisco said here is key. Parts of the essay, especially the parts on value, remind me of the thread on humanism on ILE, especially the parts on universality. The criteria for academic criticism and the criteria for literary value are distinct. It seems that theory is very meta and concerned with the criteria for its own success or plausibility. Yet it seems important to attempt, somehow, to tie observations of contingency together in some larger claim about value, but it would probably be qualified with a million reservations. On the other hand, observations of contingency would probably strengthen journalistic criticism by making it more specific or by attempting to explain how or why things work.

youn, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

Stevenson's story is that the 1960s were a time of political innovation and experiment, and that this found a formal match in the poetry and fiction of the time.

It seems that it's only possible to accomplish one thing at a time, with the result that the other kind of explanation becomes secondary. My initial impression is that I would find these kinds of explanation dull. Maybe links in the other direction need to be made stronger, too.

Tangent: I'm pretty sure there was a long essay by Edmund Wilson in my sister's high school AP English textbook. Her teacher, who was into Freud, was much more interesting than mine, who had been an administrator. It was nice to hear his name mentioned. I ought to look his name up in the library catalog.

youn, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

For Stevenson, to be formally innovative is to be politically innovative

:(

youn, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

It's an ongoing problem.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

I like this iterative interrogative posting style, youn. :)

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v24/n19/wood02_.html

This essay -- "Fundamentally Goyish" -- on Zadie Smith's The Autograph Man appears as a link in the side bar for the essay discussed on this thread. I haven't read it all, but just skimming the opening has me wondering if the lists in Ulysses might be the start of it all. I just finished The Crying of Lot 49, in which they appear as well, but maybe to different effect. I think cedars of Lebanon has come up more than once, though -- I mean from different sources.

youn, Friday, 13 May 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

he's making a point there that he probably possibly anticipates people remembering from his 'hysterical realism' essay (search ile? and, weird: google the term and you get like a million sites offering 'definitions' etc. that have picked it up as a worthwhile one). but looking back at it i think it's weird that he connects his examples (unfavorably) to dickens, and spends so much time faulting them as failed attempts at realism or whatever. a number of the books, certainly the older, more established ones, could be fitted into a genre of satire that has what i'm sure is contestable but - has a long-standing history to it. (cf. northrop frye and mikhail bakhtin: include, say, at the very least, rabelais, sterne, joyce, pynchon, the ancients, all of whom wrote books that have a lot of the characteristics wood gripes about, but who apparently have a literary purpose might be misunderstanding in some of his more contemporary examples; or he is misdiagnosing their flaws because not putting them in relation to the canon of things that are apparently back there.)

(this is all second-hand mumbling, but, you know.)

Josh (Josh), Friday, 13 May 2005 04:46 (twenty years ago)

christ i couldn't make it to the end of that one! he spends three paragraphs on smith's failure to ironise the jew/goy bizniz then quotes this paragraph about rubinfine to demonstrate and specifically points attention to "a fan" in it for 'and this of course has no business being here' when it is an obvious example of what he's been banging on about not being there?

also literary essays are harder to read when drunk

also i want to reread that book now

tom west (thomp), Friday, 13 May 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

i think the thing abt his not getting the autograph man is that he can carry on talking about "the hollowness of modern things" or whatever without realising the need to problematize that idea: i mean, to me it seems entirely right that alex's return to judaism/seriousness (oy) in the novel isn't satisfactory,

and rooting this in the-problem-is-that-zadie-smith-didn't-do-character-very-well is missing at least one important point (which point is probably: "the whole external world")

tom west (thomp), Friday, 13 May 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for the link and the quotations, Youn; I have read Wood's review of Smith's 2nd book time and again: literally, I have delved through the ongoing pile of LRBs, found it again, read it again, months apart. I think it tremendous, except the bit where he says she's good.

the pomefox, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

this bit of the review has bugged me each time i've read it:

it [the obsession with jewishness] is an obsession which seems essentially inauthentic, and which marks the novel precisely as one not written by a jew

portnoy's complaint, one of my favourite novels, is based around an almost hysterical obsession with jewishness.

lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 19 May 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

But doesn't that simply mean that Roth can write an obsession with Jewishness which feels believable, and Smith can't?
Portnoy doesn't walk down the street dividing people into Jews and goys, or divide things into Jewish and goyish. Its a personal thing - what is this Jewishness that has created me, and my family, and the community that surrounds me - which is why visiting Israel is such a weird experience.

Ray (Ray), Thursday, 19 May 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

i thought the point was that such an obsession wouldn't be found in a jew? that their jewishness is such a part of them that endless consideration of the issue rings false?

i'm not sure what israel has to do with this particular instance.

lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 19 May 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

It can be read either way, I think - "an obsession with Jewsishness feels inauthentic" or "_this_ obsession with Jewishness feels inauthentic".
Israel is important to Portnoy (and Roth) because its so different. He doesn't see the things that created him in Israel, or only in some strangely changed way. The things that he associates with being Jewish - political liberalism, for example - aren't present there, and that calls into question his understanding of Jewishness.
In The Autograph Man (just going by that review, I haven't read the book), there's a neat division - I am Jew, they are goy. In Portnoy there are endless subdivisions - Fine, I'm a Jew, but am I a good Jew? Do I want to be, or is that what I'm escaping from? What is a good Jew anyway - muscular and confident like the Israelis?

Ray (Ray), Thursday, 19 May 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

I have read neither book. I think that Wood does a great job of making ZS's sound atrocious. She forgave him, though. But should he have forgiven her?

I think that Ray's distinctions are plausible.

If Ulysses were obsessed with Jewishness, perhaps I would not feel about it as I do. Then again: 2 years ago I went to a Jewish museum in Dublin, one of whose curators rather chauvinistically and aggressively went on at me about how Joyceans think they know EVERYTHING about the book, whereas, look at this display case, which shows all these other things, which were specifically Jewish, and which fans of Joyce did not know about: did I know about this? No. Or this? No. Or that? No. See, that told me. But as you can see, I just found his behaviour obnoxious. Perhaps that fellow would enjoy Philip Roth or Zadie Smith, or some other book which, unlike Ulysses, is obsessed with Jewishness.

the finefox, Thursday, 19 May 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

i was just thinking, re: alex in the autograph man, that him getting jewishness "wrong" might on purpose - he wasn't raised observantly or as part of a jewish community, so how would he know? he's fumbling around, really.

nb: i don't think this is a very good book. however, the whole jewish/goyish thing is more of an annoyance. if it was the book's biggest problem, she'd be doing alright.

lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 19 May 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

Pinefox, it doesn't sound like that curator would enjoy Philip Roth. He was frequently condemned from whatever-the-Jewish-equivalent-of-a-pulpit-is, for letting the side down.

Ray (Ray), Thursday, 19 May 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

christ. i said "problematize"

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 19 May 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

BTW, Wood on V.S. Pritchett, in Zachary Leader's collection, is OK, but he gets lost in his failure to define 'Englishness' - perhaps unsurprisingly.

I still want to read The Irresponsible Self. And I am still rereading The Broken Estate. In fact I never finished it.

the bellefox, Thursday, 26 May 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

The other day I read his essay on Roth in The Broken Estate. I thought it awful: a classic case of JW letting his religiious obsessions get in the way of what seemed from his own account to be a book's vileness.

If I finish him on Gogol then I think I will have read all that book save the perhaps pointless last essay. I wonder if I am drifting back, from my admiration for his acuity and skill, to my old irritation with his idiot choirboyism.

the bellefox, Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

Magnificent critique, till the penultimate paragraph:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081208/deresiewicz/single

the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 12:05 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v22/n05/hami01_.html
- just read this, not available online: Ian Hamilton on Randall Jarrell: he presents him as a brilliant, merciless hatchet-man reviewer - reminded me of the way some (like Wyatt Mason) describe Wood.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 15:42 (sixteen years ago)

Jarrell's even less receptive to "ideas" and how books and poltics intersect, so I'm curious why that otherwise pretty good critique omitted mention of the critic with whom Wood has most in common.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 February 2009 15:51 (sixteen years ago)


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