What are some things about books that really f$@king piss you off?

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I went to a the bookstore last night and these are the things that ran through my head:

1. If your book is part of a series, then when one book comes out in paperback, the next one should come out in hardcover. Okay? Is this completely unreasonable? Take Book 1 of The Bartimaeus Trilogy by Jonathan Stroud. I see The Amulet of Samarkand is now available in paperback. Great, I got it in hardcover last year and loved it. I think it’s better than Harry Potter. So where the fuck is Book 2, Stroud? If 1 is in paperback, 2 should be in hardcover. Is this asking too much? Book 2 won’t be coming out until September? Fuck’s sake.

2. J.K. Rowling. Fucking seriously, dude. I know you’ve got the remaining books laid out in your head. Why have I got to wait five years between each book. Are you waiting for the movies to catch up? What, then? I want the rest of the Harry Potter books and I want them soon. I’m not playing around, b-yatch.

3. Books that are re-released as a movie tie-in, with an image from the movie replacing the old cover... I hhhhhate these. I’m not going to buy a reasonably priced, mass-market sized copy of Ira Levin’s The Stepford Wives precisely because Nicole Kidman’s mug is on the cover. I love Jennifer Connolly but I’m incredibly relieved I got Andre Dubus III’s House of Sand and Fog before the cover changed forever. What the fuck? I’m now forced to see which books are going to be made into movies over the next 3 years and buy those books right away.

4. Why are there no books written by cats? I think this would be genius. I would buy all these books. I don’t mean a writer writing from a cat’s perspective, I mean a book actually written by a cat. Fucking genius.

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Vermont Girl in shopping on coke shocker.

I hate it when they put Oprah's book club stickers on books. It makes me not buy them. And I hate it when they put suggested topics for discussion with your book club in the back of the books. It's so Carmella Soprano.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I do most of my book buying in used shops. I know writers hate that, but I hate the way a lot of new books look.

SRH (Skrik), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

"Books that are re-released as a movie tie-in, with an image from the movie replacing the old cover... I hhhhhate these."

Amen, dear, amen.

yesabibliophile (yesabibliophile), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post
I love how the first question on those guides is always: Discuss the significance of the title:
Possession. (erm)
The Grapes of Wrath (um)
Portnoy's Complaint (yippi-ki-yi-yey)

Jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah. Those "Oprah", "Today's Show", "Good Morning, America" club stickers. And sometimes they're not even stickers, but actually printed on the cover. When I got Alexander McCall Smith's The Kalahari Typing School for Men, there was a circle (printed, not a sticker) that said "First time in paperback!" I was like, "I fucking know this is the first time in paperback! That's why I'm buying it now. Shit, man..."

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

"Books that are re-released as a movie tie-in, with an image from the movie replacing the old cover... I hhhhhate these."

Can I post it again? Please? I love it so much.

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

As to point 3: You are buying Wide Saragasso Sea for your adolescent cousin who's proud of having finished Jane Eyre and you have that sinking feeling that the clerk thinks you saw the shite film, a still of which is now gracing the cover, and only then decided to read Rhys and then you begin thinking where you'll bury his body after you've 'accidentally' decapitated him.

As to point 4: Cat writing, as I understand it, mostly consists of long descriptive passages about how brilliant naps are, how nummy the food is or isn't, how loud humans are, how fuuny they are when they sit on the white seats and do their business, and why smudges on the wall and free-floating dust-motes will do when there's nothing else to chase. They can write smells to make Suskind look like an amateur. Sure, there are moments when it attains almost to the level of contemporary best-selling fiction in its narration but cats just don't give enough of a f&*k about other creatures' interior monologues to make their characterizations even believable not to mention readable.

Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I think cat books are unpublishable--too short and obscure. My cat wrote a book and the only sentence was, "Whatever." When I discussed this with her she then, wrote it two more times and that was it. I spoke at length about depth, character, plot, etc. but obviously (i could tell by the look in her eye) I was far too thick to appreciate her work.

I hate that books are so expensive...and some authors, well I'll be dead before they're in a used book store...

Hate those Oprah stickers...

Those books that win awards tho they don't deserve them....but often are weighed with "truth" so are therefore "deep and worthy".

PeanutDuck (PeanutDuck), Thursday, 3 June 2004 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

About a month before the Franzen-Oprah thing really hit the fan, he dropped into the bookstore where I was working to sign stock. He seemed like a nice guy, and we were giving him a little shit about being an Oprah pick. He kind of winced and said, "Well, it would be okay with me if you put those 'Autographed Copy' stickers over top of the Oprah stickers..." I like to think we helped push him over the edge into infamy.

I hate paperbacks that have the extra-cheap covers that curl uncontrollably.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 3 June 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Price. Price. Price.

Natalie (Penny Dreadful), Thursday, 3 June 2004 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Introductions which give the plot away. Make it a postscript, you fuckwits or (as the new Penguins classics are doing), add a note saying 'introdcution gives away plot details'.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 3 June 2004 08:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Greg, do it.

Things that annoy me:

1. as already mentioned elsewhere, large print editions with swear words deleted.

2. editions of children's books with adultified covers so you are supposedly less embarrassed to be reading them.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 3 June 2004 09:14 (twenty-one years ago)

how about book series that are never, never complete in the same bookshop, so if you want to buy, ie. harry potter 2, 3 and 4 you have to go rambling half the city, finding first the 4th, then possibly the 3rd and end up having to order the 2nd in another bookshop still...
or maybe this happens to me only because there aren't that many English bookshops in Rome

misshajim (strand), Thursday, 3 June 2004 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Never ending Fantasy series. Robert Jordan broke me on book six or seven of the wheel of time, when I realised that nothing had been resolved in a eight hundred page book and that I had another four-six volumes to get through before the series would be finished.

A friend swears that Martin's Throne of King series is incredible, but when I found that this was not a trilogy but closer to five or six book I have never managed to be able to bring myself to start.

oblomov, Thursday, 3 June 2004 09:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I gave out to Clive Barker at a book signing years ago because the second part of some alleged trilogy he was writing came out so long after the first part that I'd given away the first part and had to buy it again. He looked really taken aback, as if it has never occurred to a writer that readers might find this kind of thing annoying.

I tend to like American editions of books (especially Penguins) more than UK/Irish ones, because the pages are thinner and the books stay open without me having to break the spine. I hate reading a book I can't hold in one hand.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh while I am about it - Trade Paperbacks. If I want a large heavy book I will buy a Hardcover.

I normally read on the way to and from work and often have to stand on the train. I want a nice portable paperback - which these days translates as wait another six-twelve months for new releases.

oblomov, Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:30 (twenty-one years ago)

on new hardcovers, I hate those heavy, glossy or matte covers and always pitch them. it's like having a plastic shoppping bag around the book while you're reading it. plus they don't sit on the shelf well. books get dusty and those glossy covers just start looking sticky. bring back the paper covers like they did for Jimmy Corrigan!

slow learner (slow learner), Thursday, 3 June 2004 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

The wait between U.K. novel releases and U.S. releases. One example: when the new hardcover Reginald Hill "Dalziel & Pascoe" comes out in the U.K., it's followed a year later by the U.S. hardcover release, usually simultaneous with the U.K. softcover. If there's a proven fanbase, how about a coordinated worldwide release? On top of the expense, there's the fear my impatient import purchase (from the U.K. or Canada, which matches the U.K. release date) will hurt the author's perceived sales potential in the U.S.

x-post: not a physical book complaint, but speaking of never ending fantasy books and waits, Alan Dean Foster's Flinx series is doing the same long wait/little payoff. Checking his website FAQ: "WILL FLINX FINALLY ENCOUNTER AND HAVE TO DEAL WITH "THE GREAT EVIL" THAT IS MENTIONED IN SEVERAL STORIES? Yes, eventually--but not for a while yet." Ho-hum. And second the J.K. Rowling impatience, but am at least grateful I started reading them with the fifth book, and haven't had to wait for each one. Two to go, figure Potter # 7 in 2007?

Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Thursday, 3 June 2004 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh God, spoilers in introductions bug me so much. I always skip intros now because more often than not they discuss the plot. Yes, please, make them postscripts.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Thursday, 3 June 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah spoilers in introductions wreck my head...
in general,not knowing whether an introduction is meant to be read before or after the book...
those new penguin classics have the right idea


robin (robin), Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Chick Lit book covers. If I have to look at one more pink or yellow cover with some leg clad in fuck me heels one more time... I hate them. And Fantasty books? I am embarassed to be seen with one, they are so tacky. That goes for business books too, which are just plain ugly. And movie edition covers make my eyes roll.

megan (bookdwarf), Thursday, 3 June 2004 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

"Chick Lit book covers. If I have to look at one more pink or yellow cover with some leg clad in fuck me heels one more time... I hate them." Another amen to that. The guy mentioned that he was surrounded by these on the tube the other day and was wondering what kind of hell he had landed in.
Although I must add that the movie editions of some of my parents' books now have that retro-cool factor, like the copy of Farenheit 451 with 2 psychedelic Julie Christies on it, and the Watership Down with cartoon rabbits. So maybe if we wait 30 years...

Jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 3 June 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

No, that Wuthering Heights cover will still make us cringe.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Thursday, 3 June 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, saints preserve us. Look at what has tainted Anna Karenina...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0143035002/ref=pd_gw_smp_ts_b_1/002-2166673-3382448

Jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 3 June 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

It was a perfectly good cover before. Why did they have to put that damn sticker on it? What I really want is a copy of the Iliad with a big picture of Brad Pitt and Orlando Bloom (who always has the most ridiculous hair in movies I might add) on the cover. Watch the teenage girls start grabbing it off the shelves.

megan (bookdwarf), Thursday, 3 June 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Spelling errors. They are EVERYWHERE. I NEVER read a book that doesn't have at least one. Sheesh.

Becky Willis, Friday, 4 June 2004 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Bad fonts, bad margins.

Trade paperbacks are pretty nice, though. They're not nearly so heavy as hardcovers.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 4 June 2004 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Re: question number 3 and the Oprah Book Club: "If the question start 'why', the answer starts 'money'" Publishers do this because their job is to sell more books, ideally to the sort of people who don't buy books. Which is a good thing, right?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 4 June 2004 06:38 (twenty-one years ago)

That Wuthering Heights cover should be the face of ILB. Has anyone actually seen it?

You could also look at Clueless and think the same, but Clueless was a great Emma. I realise I may have the Austen Society breaking down my door now.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 4 June 2004 08:41 (twenty-one years ago)

My friend David feels that way about movie covers on books, but I tend to like them, especially if the film starred Alan Bates. I have eight or ten paperbacks with him on the cover. (Need I say he was my favorite actor? And still is, though he died last year.)

I'm impatient for the next Harry Potter too, but at least the Azkaban movie is out now and I'm anxious to see it (Gary Oldman and Emma Thompson as well as the usual jolly crew! Can't wait!). I say give Rowling all the time she needs--it's always worth the wait.

When I read the first of Phillip Pullman's "His Dark Materials" trilogy, I couldn't find the second one, and it made me nuts. The book ends on such a cliffhanger. I was in Barnes & Noble searching the stacks and encountered a tough-looking black guy who was downright incensed that it wasn't there. One finds soulmates in the oddest places. Well, maybe a bookstore isn't that odd a place.

Carol Robinson (carrobin), Friday, 4 June 2004 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

People who come in the store I work at not knowing the name of a title or author of a book is fine. We can work it out.

People who come in the store I work at not knowing the name of a title or author of a book, but also not whether it is fiction or non-fiction -- that's not so good.

(It happens often, btw)

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 4 June 2004 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Books whose critical pull-quotes include the phrase, "The twist at the end will blow your mind!" Well, now it won't.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 4 June 2004 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

c.f. Shutter Island

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 4 June 2004 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

PeanutDuck, are you named after the song?

Reading group/book club editions are a bit weird with their list of discussion questions in the back.

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Saturday, 5 June 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a copy of Dune I haven't been able to read because the left-hand margin of the odd-numbered pages goes all the way into the spine. I've have to crack the spine to read it properly and I can't do that. So it sitting there, unread and unreadable. Damn.

Something else that pisses me off (but is my own fault) is having a series with all different sized books. For His Dark Materials I have the first two in a nice trade size but the third in a small mass market size. They end up looking weird when shelved together. And when I start reading a series and like it so much I'll go out and get the newest one in hardcover. Then those look odd/misshaped next to each other. [*sigh*]

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Monday, 7 June 2004 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Swear words.

the junefox, Monday, 7 June 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Too much sexual activity.

the bellefox, Monday, 7 June 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Squashed insects

Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:22 (twenty-one years ago)

"Don't step on the line or you'll break that books spine!" I hate that.

aimurchie, Monday, 7 June 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

"Well hello there! I'm page 564 and if you glance over to my right you can see page 571. Aren't we library books splendid little sweethearts?"

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i still want an explanation on this sex thing, mr fox

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 09:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Me too.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 8 June 2004 10:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, how can anyone explain it to you if you won't read their books when they do?

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Phony magic realism.

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

YES!

AND YES! (see Peanutduck below):

Those books that win awards tho they don't deserve them....but often are weighed with "truth" so are therefore "deep and worthy".


-- PeanutDuck (peanutduc...), June 3rd, 2004.


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Here's mine: this goes for CDs too: The fact that the dollar is so weak against the Euro right now that it costs insane amounts of money for me to read anything current that isn't American. Not that thsi screwy place isn't generating innaresting things, it's just about variety being the spice of life and all.


People who succeed for reasons other than talent and effort. The trust-fund baby writer or the movernshaker form one big lucky roaring thundering bete noir in my skull. Hypocritical, I know, since there's a lot of luck involved in talent and developing just the right work ethic as well. I keep forgetting that no one will remember these schmucks in 100 years, and writing is a distance-runner's game.

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

PS I understand the sex thing... it's much sexier to just allude to it to begin with, plus it's one thing that really goes better, in its spelled-out graphic form that is, in real life than in books. And if you aren't getting any it just makes you so horribly envious. Plus there's the "Aren't I radical? I am graphically describing a taboo act! Nobody's ever done this before! Look, I'm fearlessly doing it again, just like in all the other bestsellers!" attitude, to which the proper response is "what century is this, dear?"

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Sterzinger is OTM.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 8 June 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I have this great image now of Ann and the Pinefox sitting at the gates of writer heaven, stopping people from coming in because their novels were too graphic. Ann peers over her half-glasses and says 'yes dear, I know you were terribly radical and everything, but, you see, you've upset my little vulpine friend here, so you're out. Best of afterlives, now.' Meanwhile the Pinefox shivers all the way to the end of his little tail at the very idea of the things they are describing.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

the problem with sex scenes in books is that they're very hard to write without it turning either into soft porn or coming off sounding like a parody of those romance novel sex scenes, with everything made really vague sounding - "his manhood" and all that. i'm kind of surprised the pinefox feels this way though, considering his affection for ulysses.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

"purple-helmeted warrior of desire"

there was a review a few years ago in which the reviewer extensively quoted sex scenes from a william f. buckley novel because they were so very very awful

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Accentmonkey, if your cartoon pinefox is as apt as the cartoon Ann, you're a very funny... shit, that's funny even if his own gramma wouldn't recognise him.

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

the problem with sex scenes in books is that they're very hard to write without it turning either into soft porn

Which is precisely why if you're going to do it, you need to write "hard" porn.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

There was a Richard Ford short story once where I honestly couldn't tell if the people were trying to assemble a lamp or have sex. It was horrible.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

A. Not enough of them. I'm constantly on the search for good sci-fi series having read too many of the fantasy already. Yup, not enough of a good sci-fi series.

B. "Never ending Fantasy series." comment by oblomov. Yes. Oh gods yes. The same thing happened to me after about the 6 Dragon book. We ALL know he's the Dragon Reborn, the rest of the world he's in knows, the author knows, so why doesn't Jordan just say it. GET IT OVER WITH! Same with that sci-fi David Feintuch series. Hope this and Hope that, you'd think he'd write a book with some "hope" in it. But its just whines on and on. Had to stop after 4 or 5.

C. Oprah Picks. Pick something worth reading. Kay thats a little judgemental, as not everyone likes the same genre of book. I detest frilly, sappy, twinkletoed, dance through the valley in the sun, life lessons, chick-flick genre books. Give me a thrilling sci-fi, deep space, even some magic, some adventure and violence. Just because its the former doesn't mean its a good book and just because its the latter doesn't mean its a bad one. There are other genres that can have a "good" pick chosen out of them, she needs to expand her horizons into something else.

D. this isn't really about the books that pisses me off, rather the people who see me reading one. Just because I'm a chick and over 30 doesn't mean I'm reading Romance.

bookbrains, Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

You don't think 100 Years of Solitude is worth reading?

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Following on from bookbrains point D. Something about people and books that really pisses me off - the line "I don't know how you find the time to read so much". Translation - you poor thing you have no life.

How many times have i restrained myself from responding something along the line of " Well I suspect that if you could break away from your regularly programmed reality TV and sports lifestyle you may actually be able to find the time to read something as well.

oblomov, Tuesday, 8 June 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, it's the old Bill Hicks routine, isn't it? Waffle waitress sees him reading in a waffle house and asks him 'what are you reading for?' and he says, 'well, let's see. I read for a lot of reasons. To learn about the world around me. To be transported to new and exciting places. But mostly I read so that I don't end up as a fucking waffle waitress'.

I think the problem people have is partly that they see reading as a chore, as something that's physically harder to do than watching television. Like how some people can drive a car without thinking about it and some people who are just starting out can't. They have to think about everything they're doing and the whole action of it just seems wrong and takes so much effort that they really would rather walk everywhere. They marvel at people who can drive and talk at the same time or make right turns and do hill starts without breaking into a sweat. People who aren't readers from an early age see reading in this way. And, as is natural for people in those situations, they try to make you into some kind of weirdo for doing it.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 08:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the passing of Venus has made everyone a little frisky. That's a good thing, because The ILB House will be a frisky mansion.

Actually, it's more likely to be lots of 'get it over quick so I can get back to my book'.

Am I even on the right thread?

Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Mikey I think the ILB house is really your excuse to buy that house in Transylvania and make us "brides."

Jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

>>Following on from bookbrains point D. Something about people and books that really pisses me off - the line "I don't know how you find the time to read so much". Translation - you poor thing you have no life. <<

LOL Exactly!! I read on the bus for 10 minutes, I read at lunch, just before bed, when I'm in the loo, when I'm waiting in the car. And thats just little bits and pieces. Everyone has a few minutes to spare while they are waiting for something or someone. I carry "emergency" books with me or have them in the car and at work in case I finish the current book I'm reading.

In fact I hate not being able to read... have you ever sneak-read while at work, or been tempted to buy books on tape just so you could listen to them at work instead of the radio hehe. Though books on tape aren't as good as reading itself, as a person always puts their own inflections, tones of voice, sounds of the character into a book, creating a movie of it in their mind.

bookbrains, Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, it's more likely to be lots of 'get it over quick so I can get back to my book'

Mikey, if there's a hosepipe ban this summer, you're in big trouble.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

reading is far harder than watching television! that's why i don't let myself have a fucking television!

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

and i taught myself to read at some point BEFORE MY MEMORIES ACTUALLY START

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

(ph34r m3)

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

(3tc.)

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

i kind of want a thread for pinefox to argue through the sex thing, but don't want to be the one to start it. eh.

and what's so bad about waiting tables?

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I like threads with cartoon pinefoxes on them.

the bellefox, Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I imagine the cartoon pinefox being drawn by Antoine de Saint-Exupery. Those are my favourite kinds of foxes.


accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.am-soft.com/images/pfox.jpg

Jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Erik to thread.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 10 June 2004 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Reading the Lonely Planet book on Romania this morning. Sounds great. If only I could get some time off work...and then there's Euro 2004.

What is a boy to do?

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 10 June 2004 07:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm, wrong thread. This was supposed to be on the What are you reading thread.

Forgive me.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 10 June 2004 07:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks Jocelyn. I do love The Little Prince. I know, I know, like anyone doesn't love it.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 10 June 2004 08:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh there's a few of those hard-hearted meanies over on ILE who don't, I can assure you...

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 10 June 2004 08:55 (twenty-one years ago)

They don't know what it means to tame someone.

I'm sorry, I have to go and have a little cry now.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 10 June 2004 11:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Another thing that just turns my crank in the wrong direction, is when bookstores, new or used, online, etc. put their sale stickers on the covers of paperbacks or trades - it's a bitch getting that adhesive off while trying not ruin a lovely cover!

yesabibliophile (yesabibliophile), Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate that too. Especially when I'm trying to pick those '3 for 2' stickers off, because some smart arse in my shop will try it on and see if they can get three for two.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 10 June 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

1: Sex. Hmm, it´s big part of everyones life. Therefor we need "litterary sex". I think. Recently I read Michel Houellebecq, a great french writer. His books are full of sex. My only thought was: well of course. This what life really is like. The BIG point is, that the maincharacter never gets any!!!
The problem is, that "litterary sex" is very often very badly written. And then it should rather be left out. Henry Miller was a great writer and therefor he could write about sex in a way, that does not make me feel embarrased.

2: Oblomov, accentmonkey: Quite agree with both of you.
Sometimes I meet people who ask me; Why do you read so much? Reading is boring.
Then I usually ask; what do you know about that?
Then they will often begin to tell me a lot about exactly how boring it is and that´s when I ask them in a very high and surprised voice: Can you read???
They always know it´s an insult(revenge!), but they never understand the point. As accentmonkey wrote above; you have to learn to read. It´s not enough to know the alfabet. You have to learn patience, you have to learn to sit still, to block out other peoples noice and your own thoughts about everything else. You have to concentrate.

About a year ago I got two cats. (Ps:loved Michael White and peanutDucks reflections on cat-writings).
On that occasion a friend of mine said to another friend of mine(who later told me): I´m so happy for Jens. Then he´ll finally have something to live for.
Arrrgggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh. I was shocked, I was angry. Seldom have I been so upset and enraged. Listen: She´s a finansiel lawyer, she goes to the opera and art exhibitions. She´s not stupid. And I don´t think she meant to insult me. I mean, she´s a good friend. Well, ????????

Jens Drejer (Jens Drejer), Sunday, 13 June 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you want literature to reflect what life is really like?

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Tough question. Well, errrr....
I´m surprised. I don´t think I´ve ever thought about that really.
Yes, I think I do. But dreams and psykology are also part of "what life is really like". That means, so is Samuel Beckett and James Joyce. Life is also absurd. But I do prefer to read that kind of books, where nothing really happens, which in my opinion often means that everything happens. But It´s had to tell excately what. Nobody gets killed, no plot, nothing.
Somebody in here mentioned in a thread that he or she was reading Proust, had read 2000 pages and nothing had happend. That´s just the sort of comment that really makes me want to read Proust myself.
It makes me believe that Proust is very much like life itself. And just think about Virginia Woolf´s books. I love it.

Jens Drejer (Jens Drejer), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Correction: No, I don´t want litteratur to reflect on anything or be anything in particular. I do read a lot of different books, but I prefer those that I consider close to real life.
One of my favorites is Woolf; The Waves.
Well, what is that about? 6 kids groing up. Interesting? Yes, when written by a superb writer like Virginia Woolf.
Since I read it the first time, I have want to see this piece of work performed as a choir work. 6 solo voices and a giant choir to be the waves. That would be amazing.
Though actually I´m not very much into al that stuff about books into movies, movies into books, books into opera, etc.

Jens Drejer (Jens Drejer), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually I think it's harder to watch TV. You can't make it go at your pace. And it's depressing. If I watched reality TV all the time I'd probably hang myself. Why do people put themselves through that kind of humiliation for a fleeting "fame" that basically consists of being laughed at and not with? What's more, why do other people invite them into their living rooms? If I wanted a lot of idiots hanging around my house I'd save myself some cash and go back to having roommates. Books go with you, on your time table -- like bookbrains says, you can snatch a little here and there. Your TV wants you to make your time revolve around it. Thanks, but I already have one job.

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Monday, 14 June 2004 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Of course you can make TV go at your pace, don't you have TiVo?

All your arguments are true and yet they don't add up to it being harder to watch TV. TV makes some connection to a center in your brain and grabs you and suddenly you've watched five hours of VH1's latest countdown and you didn't notice the time pass at all. That is easy.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 08:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know if it was already mentioned, but: The introduction to the book I'm reading, which is a reprint of an older book, is way too long and boring. And yet it has been, every once in a while, giving me some worthwhile information about the author, which will give me better context in reading the book. So I feel like I shouldn't just skip it...

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 08:39 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
I don't like it when an author describes a person as looking like a particular celebrity. It's as if the author has taken it upon herself to cast the inevitable movie.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Sunday, 23 October 2005 01:29 (twenty years ago)

Oh no, the complaints about covers & jackets make me want to explain UV coating and poly film and lay-flat lamination but it's 3.30 in the morning and I just CAN'T. Bah!

Laurel, Sunday, 23 October 2005 06:18 (twenty years ago)

vermont girl you talk like a man.

Fred (Fred), Sunday, 23 October 2005 08:48 (twenty years ago)

I don't like it when an author describes a person as looking like a particular celebrity. It's as if the author has taken it upon herself to cast the inevitable movie.

cf. Da Vinci Code, Armageddon: The Musical.

It's quite weird when you read a passage in a book that was written seriously (Brown), when you've read an almost exact, yet unrelated, passage as satire (Rankin).

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Sunday, 23 October 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

why the fuck are you guys reading books? we have INTERNET now.

sugarpants: like throwing gold at platinum. (sugarpants), Sunday, 23 October 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

Less popups

Øystein (Øystein), Sunday, 23 October 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)


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