What are some works fitting this description? All the major works I've read of this type (and of most other types, I guess) have male leads.
― ○◙genital grinder◙○ (roxymuzak), Saturday, 20 September 2008 20:54 (seventeen years ago)
Not sure whether or not it technically counts as "existential lit", but I think The Crying of Lot 49 touches on a lot of the same basic themes.
― it be me, me, me and timothy (bernard snowy), Saturday, 20 September 2008 21:14 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.leksikon-yu-mitologije.net/files/ModestyBlaise.jpg
― scott seward, Saturday, 20 September 2008 23:35 (seventeen years ago)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/22/35067275_5c7ee48be1.jpg?v=0
― scott seward, Saturday, 20 September 2008 23:37 (seventeen years ago)
http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.sweden.se/upload/Sweden_se/english/articles/SI/images/Pippi%2520L%C3%A5ngstrump/Pippi.L.jpg&usg=AFQjCNFeib5SjeaIvbJKKo5m8ktB4lWmpw
― scott seward, Saturday, 20 September 2008 23:38 (seventeen years ago)
http://cdn.harpercollins.com/harperimages/isbn/large/7/9780060935467.jpg
― scott seward, Saturday, 20 September 2008 23:39 (seventeen years ago)
http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/14610000/14618759.JPG
― scott seward, Saturday, 20 September 2008 23:40 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.ackerfilm.com/buchcover/04.gif
― scott seward, Saturday, 20 September 2008 23:41 (seventeen years ago)
http://nogoodforme.filmstills.org/images/weetziebat.jpg
― scott seward, Saturday, 20 September 2008 23:42 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.illiterarty.com/files/www.illiterarty.com/img/145/carrie.jpg
― scott seward, Saturday, 20 September 2008 23:43 (seventeen years ago)
http://parkhurstrarebooks.com/pb.2399.jpg
― scott seward, Saturday, 20 September 2008 23:45 (seventeen years ago)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/10/JohnNichols_TheSterileCuckoo_First.jpg
http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/11830000/11834941.jpg
― scott seward, Saturday, 20 September 2008 23:46 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.bocadoinferno.com/romepeige/lite/assombracao.jpg
― scott seward, Saturday, 20 September 2008 23:47 (seventeen years ago)
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/BOOK/BD00F~The-Prime-of-Miss-Jean-Brodie-by-Muriel-Spark-Posters.jpg
― scott seward, Saturday, 20 September 2008 23:48 (seventeen years ago)
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/1593760590.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
― scott seward, Saturday, 20 September 2008 23:49 (seventeen years ago)
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51E2P3KJVSL._SS500_.jpg
― scott seward, Saturday, 20 September 2008 23:51 (seventeen years ago)
http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/7d/42/4f21024128a0823206420110.L.jpg
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/516H4VRQBWL._SS500_.jpg
― scott seward, Saturday, 20 September 2008 23:53 (seventeen years ago)
http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/21/81/356e024128a095a653e06010.L.jpg
― scott seward, Saturday, 20 September 2008 23:55 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.bookendsusedbooks.com/shop_image/product/29960.jpg
― scott seward, Saturday, 20 September 2008 23:57 (seventeen years ago)
Bloody hell.
― James Morrison, Sunday, 21 September 2008 00:05 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.textbooksrus.com/book_pics_large/0441012981.jpg
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 21 September 2008 02:34 (seventeen years ago)
^^^yes
― ○◙genital grinder◙○ (roxymuzak), Sunday, 21 September 2008 02:38 (seventeen years ago)
There is a new printing of "Child Of All Nations" by Irmgard Keun which has a lot of Existential themes. The main character, Kully, lacks a penis. The book lacks very little.
― silence dogood, Sunday, 21 September 2008 03:49 (seventeen years ago)
http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/37/1a/6dda225b9da05ce24e2e4110.L.jpg
― ›̊-‸‷̅‸-- (ledge), Sunday, 21 September 2008 04:56 (seventeen years ago)
not that wittgenstein was an existentialist y'unnerstan
― ›̊-‸‷̅‸-- (ledge), Sunday, 21 September 2008 04:58 (seventeen years ago)
This thread has made me completely unsure what "existential lit" might mean.
― Casuistry, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 03:27 (seventeen years ago)
is janet frame not kind of otm?
― t_g, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 08:54 (seventeen years ago)
I can't think of any existential lit with female protagonists -- not in the classic mode of Dostoevsky, Camus, Hamsun, etc. Janet Frame's writing definitely doesn't seem like existentialist lit to me. Most existentialist lit is kind of 'man vs society'. I just can't think of anything.. maybe women's problems are still too basic and engulfing, still too overwhelming, to have developed to that level ...
― sleepy, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 10:40 (seventeen years ago)
i guess i was thinking of it as being more man feeling apart from society + that seems like it sums up the janet frame i've read pretty well.
― t_g, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 17:44 (seventeen years ago)
and i dont quite get what you mean by women's problems being too basic and overwhelming
yeah, lol @ that
― ○◙i shine cuz i genital grind◙○ (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 18:44 (seventeen years ago)
have you read jane bowles' two serious ladies?
― Edward III, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 18:57 (seventeen years ago)
I assume you're up to date on your flannery o'connor.
― Edward III, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 18:59 (seventeen years ago)
anybody have any de beauvoir recommends? she wrote a ton of books but I've only ever read the second sex.
― Edward III, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 19:04 (seventeen years ago)
i'm actually more into vague dissatisfaction and ennui, which is why i've read so much lorrie moore, alice munro, ann beattie, joy williams, anne tyler, and mary gaitskill.
and, okay, most of those books i posted pictures of wouldn't be considered "existential". on the other hand, tons of the women writers i adore (including the ones i just mentioned), from elizabeth taylor (no, not that one) to muriel spark wrote books that were basically about one woman -vs- the world. books about women trying to define and shape their world and life on THEIR terms, instead of having others do it for them. wait, are feminism and existentialism the same thing?
just re-read this and though there are two main characters - one male and one female - i think camus would have approved:
http://www.salon.com/books/review/1999/06/16/fox/mc_fox.gif
so, really, to me, a lot of fiction in the 20th and 21st century written by women would fit the mold of the classic existential struggle for meaning beyond god/church/state/etc. a struggle for personal freedom. (personal choice to be this or that, blah, blah...)
― scott seward, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 22:22 (seventeen years ago)
OK, based on that last post Scott has excellent taste in books (ie the same as mine).
'The Blood of Others' is pretty cool--French Resistance psychological/existential character exploration with hints of thrillerness
― James Morrison, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 22:52 (seventeen years ago)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3077/2288998732_d74bfda1a0.jpg
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 23:14 (seventeen years ago)
"from elizabeth taylor (no, not that one) to muriel spark wrote books that were basically about one woman -vs- the world"
ouch, need to clarify. they sometimes did this. not always by any means. they had lots of tricks up their sleeves.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 00:13 (seventeen years ago)
le sang des autres, I think I read this? maybe? the title + description sound hazily familiar...
anais nin's cities of the interior is pretty reet, not sure how existential it is tho.
― Edward III, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 03:10 (seventeen years ago)
otm i always take notice when he recommends something. i have to pick up some elizabeth taylor (not that one)
― t_g, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 08:43 (seventeen years ago)
oh she's great! such a fine writer and she could be so emotionally devastating.
here's a nice piece that came out about her last year:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200709/editors-choice
(all the old virago paperback reissue covers of her books didn't do her justice though. so flowery and lady-like. she was so much fiercer than that. i can imagine people passing them by every day in the used bins.)
― scott seward, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 09:41 (seventeen years ago)
ok i've just ordered that story collection they recommend, the devastating boys.
have you read anything else by paula fox? i've only read desperate characters + i loved it but i'm just wondering if there's other stuff that's as good.
― t_g, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 10:57 (seventeen years ago)
Paula Fox: 'Poor George' is also excellentElizabeth Taylor: she is just brilliant. 'At Mrs Lippincote's' is a particular favourite, but you really can't go wrong with any of them.
― James Morrison, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 23:05 (seventeen years ago)
my early 80s copy of margaret drabble's the ice age is sorta like this - it has a cheezeball romance novel-like illustration of the main characters on the cover. I should scan this one, can't find a picture of it online.
which reminds me: margaret drabble's the ice age.
― Edward III, Thursday, 25 September 2008 03:56 (seventeen years ago)
Re: Paula Fox. I loved Desperate Characters,Poor George and the first memoir, but I haven't quite been able to finish anything else of hers that I started. What should I try next or give another chance?
― Retrato Em Redd E Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 25 September 2008 16:00 (seventeen years ago)
Anyway, Wittgenstein's Mistress is a good answer. You might say she is the ultimate existentialist.
― Retrato Em Redd E Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 25 September 2008 16:05 (seventeen years ago)
Does Clarice Lispector count here?
― nabisco, Thursday, 25 September 2008 23:45 (seventeen years ago)
do f/32 and/or kathy acker count?
― s.clover, Monday, 29 September 2008 15:34 (seventeen years ago)
i'm actually more into vague dissatisfaction and ennui
I run screaming from this stuff, I can't imagine anything I would enjoy reading about LESS except maybe, like, Brett Easton Ellis-type material.
However, Paula Fox's The Widow's Children was given to me, and I did read it. I think I missed almost everything significant that happened or was represented, but I read it and it did shift some things around in my head.
― Vampire romances depend on me (Laurel), Monday, 29 September 2008 15:41 (seventeen years ago)
That was one I never got around to finishing.
― Retrato Em Redd E Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 September 2008 16:31 (seventeen years ago)
here's the cover of my copy of the ice age
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/ice_age_drabble.jpg
lol
― Edward III, Sunday, 5 October 2008 21:44 (seventeen years ago)
complete with pervy backcover blurbs
"penetrating and sensuous" quoth the washington post
― Edward III, Sunday, 5 October 2008 21:47 (seventeen years ago)
omg why does that look amazing
― Surmounter, Sunday, 5 October 2008 21:48 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/greatest-book-covers/52-1.jpg
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 5 October 2008 21:49 (seventeen years ago)
http://bp3.blogger.com/_hvV0JHPYX_I/R8PEycQFeHI/AAAAAAAAAUo/M-0n0McgGMc/s1600-h/deb.jpghttp://bp3.blogger.com/_hvV0JHPYX_I/R8PEycQFeHI/AAAAAAAAAUo/M-0n0McgGMc/s1600-h/deb.jpg
― James Morrison, Monday, 6 October 2008 01:04 (seventeen years ago)
wow that cover of the ice age is hilarious
― t_g, Monday, 6 October 2008 07:52 (seventeen years ago)