― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:49 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)
[T.S. Eliot, from The Waste Land, part two.]
― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)
So who could possibly love me? Me.
Whole poems were written using this gimmick.
― Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 01:05 (twenty years ago)
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 23:47 (twenty years ago)
― bnw (bnw), Thursday, 13 January 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)
Celery tastes tastes where in curled lashes and little bits and mostly in remains.
A green acre is so selfish and so pure and so enlivened.
[Gertrude Stein, from "Tender Buttons"]
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 13 January 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)
Let me call a ghost,Love, so it be little:In December we took No thought for the weather.
Whom shall I now thankFor this wealth of water?Your heart loves harborsWhere I am a stranger.
...
If a seed grow greenSet a stone upon itThat it learn therebyHoly Charity.
If you must smileAlways on that other,Cut me from ear to earAnd we all smile together
--W.S. Merwin
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Monday, 24 January 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)
will all the zoobelee zooelementary school teachers freeze
and stop chestizin mewith this we hold these truths to be self evident b.s.cuz i got as much chance of being presidentas one of ling lings dc panda cubslivin to see three days of spring
--Paul Beatty, 1994
― Haibun (Begs2Differ), Monday, 24 January 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)
Then hey for boot and horse, lad,And round the world away!Young blood must have its course, lad,And every dog his day.
When all the world is old, lad,And all the trees are brown;And all the sport is stale, lad,And all the wheels run down;
Creep home, and take your place there,The spent and maimed among;God grant you find one face there,You loved when all was young.
--"Young and Old", Charles Kingsley
― Philip Alderman (Phil A), Monday, 31 January 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)
There was Llew Puw, and he was no good. Every evening after the ploughing With the big tractor he would sit in his chair, And stare into the tangled fire garden, Opening his slow lips like a snail.
There was Huw Puw, too. What shall I say? I have heard him whistling in the hedges On and on, as though winter Would never again leave those fields, And all the trees were deformed.
And lastly there was the girl: Beauty under some spell of the beast. Her pale face was the lantern By which they read in life's dark book The shrill sentence: God is love.
-- "On The Farm", R.S. Thomas
― Philip Alderman (Phil A), Monday, 31 January 2005 01:00 (twenty years ago)
How to Leave the World that Worships Should
Let faxes butter-curl on dusty shelves.Let junkmail build its castles in the hushof other people's halls. Let deadlines burstand flash like glorious fireworks somwhere else.As hours go softly by, let others cursethe roads where distant drivers queue like sheep.Let e-mails fly like panicked, tiny birds.Let phones, unanswered, ring themselves to sleep.
Above, the sky unrolls its telegram,immense and wordless, simply understood:you've made your mark like birdtracks in the sand -now make the air in your lungs your livelihood.See how each wave arrives at last to heaveitself upon the beach and vanish. Breathe.
---Ros Barber
― Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:56 (twenty years ago)
Who would love youif you were not six
feet tall, a ruddy face, a smiling face. You
would walk all night, allnight, and no one, no one
would look at you.
--Robert Creeley
― j c (j c), Friday, 4 February 2005 04:56 (twenty years ago)
My black face fades,hiding inside the black granite.I said I wouldn't,dammit: No tears.I'm stone. I'm flesh.My clouded reflection eyes melike a bird of prey, the profile of nightslanted against morning. I turnthis way--the stone lets me go.I turn that way--I'm inside the Vietnam Veterans Memorial again, depending on the light to make a difference.I go down the 58,022 names,half-expecting to findmy own in letters like smoke.I touch the name Andrew Johnson;I see the booby trap's white flash.Names shimmer on a woman's blousebut when she walks awaythe names stay on the wall.Brushstrokes flash, a red bird'swings cutting across my stare.The sky. A plane in the sky.A white vet's image floatscloser to me, then his pale eyeslook through mine. I'm a window.He's lost his right arminside the stone. In the black mirrora woman's trying to erase names:No, she's brushing a boy's hair.
--Yusef Komunyakaa
― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 4 February 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)
I know the same sun, in a turnOf earth, will bring morning, greyAs gulls or mice to us. And I knowIn my troubled night the owls flyOver us, wings wide as England,And their voices will never go away.
--Leslie Norris
...as our voices seem to have gone away....
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Friday, 4 March 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)
Ode
Oh roll of stomach fat,when I sit in the bathand grasp you with both handslet me not think disloyal thoughts!You are so much chocolate, chiliand lemon cheese, suchconsummation of pleasure,I should dance. And you should jiggle up and down.
Sue Stanford
― sandy mcconnell (sandy mc), Saturday, 5 March 2005 09:27 (twenty years ago)
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Saturday, 5 March 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)
I think I keep getting put off posting to this thread because it mentions chess in the title and I am rubbish at it.
― Archel (Archel), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)
Jist ti Let Yi No(from the American of Carlos Williams)
ahv drankthi speshlzthat wurrinthi frij
n thityiwurr probblihodn backfurthi pahrti
awrightthey wur greatthaht stroangthaht cawld
---Tom Leonard
― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)
In a poem, one line may hide another line,As at a crossing, one train may hide another train.That is, if you are waiting to crossThe tracks, wait to do it for one moment atLeast after the first train is gone. And so when you readWait until you have read the next line--Then it is safe to go on reading.In a family one sister may conceal another,So, when you are courting, it's best to have them all in viewOtherwise in coming to find one you may love another.[cont'd]
—Kenenth Koch
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)
― youn, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 23:47 (twenty years ago)
― youn, Thursday, 10 March 2005 05:10 (twenty years ago)
to tell her she is a femaleand their flesh knows it,
are they a sort of tune,an ugly enough song, sungby a bird with a slit tongue
but meant for music?
Or are they the muffled roaringof deafmutes trapped in a building that isslowly filling with smoke?
Perhaps both.
Such men most often look as if groan were all they could do,yet a woman, in spite of herself,
knows it's a tribute:if she were lacking all gracethey'd pass her in silence:
so it's not only to say she'sa warm hole. It's a word
in grief-language, nothing to do withprimitive, not an ur-language;language stricken, sickened, cast down
in decrepitude. She wants tothrow the tribute away, dis-gusted, and can't,
it goes on buzzing in her ear,it changes the pace of her walk,the torn posters in echoing corridors
spell it out, itquakes and gnashes as the train comes in.Her pulse sullenly
had picked up speed,but the cars slow down andjar to a stop while her understanding
keeps on translating:'Life after life after life goes by
without poetry,without seemliness,without love.'
-- Denise Levertov
― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Saturday, 12 March 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)
― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Saturday, 12 March 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)
"You ever notice...?", it might as well begin,And then, a small observation, a quirk:A summer day, a war, a boorish jerk,A socially codified routine, women.Small, because the magazine will runOnly so many lines, and time is short,And art is long; don't wait for rigor mort-is to set in. "You ever...?", well, I'm gon-na guess you have. On this we can agree.Agreement is the goal. Let's shake hands.That's so true. I'm your biggest fan.You spoke to me. No, you spoke for me.Last time I was this pleased when someone spoke,A stand-up comic told my favorite joke.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 13 March 2005 01:30 (twenty years ago)
The poem stands on its firmlegs. Its claws are filed, brushand curry-comb have workedwith the hissing groom to polish
its smooth pelt. All morning, hairbt hair, I've plucked away each smallexcess; remains no trace ofbarbering, and all feels natural.
It is conditioned to walk, turnto the frailest leash, swingwithout effort into ecstatichunting. Now I am cleaning
the teeth in its lion jawswith an old brush. I'll set itwild on the running street, aimedat the hamstring, the soft throat.
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Thursday, 17 March 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)
Yes, yours, my love, is the right human face. I in my mind had waited for this long, Seeing the false and searching for the true, Then found you as a traveller finds a place Of welcome suddenly amid the wrong Valleys and rocks and twisting roads. But you, What shall I call you? A fountain in a waste, A well of water in a country dry, Or anything that's honest and good, an eye That makes the whole world seem bright. Your open heart, Simple with giving, gives the primal deed, The first good world, the blossom, the blowing seed, The hearth, the steadfast land, the wandering sea. Not beautiful or rare in every part. But like yourself, as they were meant to be.
-Edwin Muir
― Archel (Archel), Monday, 21 March 2005 11:49 (twenty years ago)
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Monday, 21 March 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)
― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 05:47 (twenty years ago)
It's quite an odd form. It feels like a sonnet though so that's how I'll think of it. Albeit a near-randomly rhymed one with 15 lines and in irregular iambic pentameter... Hm.
― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)
― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)
I do not undstand the world, father.By the millpond at the end of the gardenThere is a man who slouches listeningTo the wheel revolving in the stream, onlyThere is no wheel there to revolve.
He sits in the end of March, but he sits alsoIn the end of the garden; his hands are in His pockets. It is not expectationOn which he is intent, nor yesterdayTo which he listens. It is a wheel turning.
When I speak, father, it is the worldThat I must mention. He does not moveHis feet nor so much as raise his headFor fear he should disturb the sound he hearsLike a pain without a cry, when he listens.
I do not think I am fond, father,Of the way in which always before he listensHe prepares himself by listening. It isUnequal, father, like the reasonFor which the wheel turns, though there is no wheel.
I speak of him, father, because he isThere with his hands in his pockets, in the endOf the garden, listening to the turningWheel that is not there, but it is the world,Father, that I do not understand.
(Are your wheels turning? What makes your wheels turn? What do you hear? What do you think W.S. Merwin is saying here? That we are all standing in the garden with our ears turned to things--whatever--that are not there?)
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Thursday, 24 March 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)
― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 24 March 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)
― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 24 March 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)
Of course now that I see that it's actually "father" in the first line, well, that changes everything. With "father" in the first line, it's presented as a given, so there's nothing unexpected and surprising about it.
But now that I've noticed the repitition of "father", I think, why is he repeating it? It's not normal at all to repeat that sort of vocative every forty words like that. The only example I can think of where people do that is when they are lecturing a misbehaved child, saying their name often to make sure their attention does not wander very far during the onslaught of words they don't want to hear.
And so the repetition takes on a sinister edge -- father is being lectured to here, and he isn't trusted to pay attention. And of course, since I am reading the poem, and the person who is "supposed" to be reading the poem is father, then I am put in the position of "father", and I am being lectured at. Or I could try to put myself in the lecturer's shoes, and try to enjoy the vicarious thrill of telling father what he ought to know. Or I can stand above the fray and cast judgment on what is going on.
(Of course, I suppose there are other instances where you repeat the name of the person you're speaking to at such a rate -- at the height of passion, say. But the tone of the rest of the text is "I am imparting vital information about the world", not "Baby you so fine", and anyway he is talking to his father, so without any evidence to the contrary let's assume their not making out.)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)
― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)
So the question is, what does this unnatural repitition of "father" do?
(I mean the cheap answer, which might be the "right" answer, is the the old man is in fact "father" [which would confirm my "sinister" interpretation above, since he is repeating it in a very loaded way!].)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)
So, hey, maybe the father (past) is the old man (future) as well as the speaker (present) - it's all a conversation/musing/poem that goes on within oneself? (I don't think "father" is given any more 'unnatural' repetition than "I" and "old man/him" if you break it down.) And still, the speaker comes back to the first line, his original thought, that he doesn't understand the world. /wheel that is not there, it is the world/ is a pretty key line, which reminds me of "no ideas but in things". From what position can we understand the world if we can't hold a position? We can listen to things, wonder, talk, write, but understand completely - and what would be the point of that anyway, wouldn't that just bring us to a standstill? Okay, that's my latest interpretation, building on what you've said, Chris. Hm?
― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)
― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 24 March 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)
(Actually, rrrobyn, on rereading, it doesn't ever refer to the man as "old", that was just something my brain put in.)
But it's normal to repeat "I" when talking about something you did, rrrobyn, and it's normal to say "man" or "him" when referring to such a man in such a situation, but it is not normal to repeat the name of the person you speaking to as often as it gets repeated in the poem, rrobyn. I'm doing it here, rrrobyn, to illustrate how odd it is, and I suspect, rrrobyn, that if you weren't aware of why I was doing it it would come off as condescending.
So if you still find the repitition of "father" to be normal English, then we can agree to disagree. But if you agree that it's a bit unusual, I'm curious what you think is going on with it, what effect you think it has.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 24 March 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)
(I just realized we have derailed the thread a bit. However, it's still about poetry! I'm going to make it up by finding a poem to post. Soon.)
― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 24 March 2005 22:56 (twenty years ago)
I am not nearly as interested in the father as character (especially since nothing is said about him in the poem, and so anything you could say about him is pure conjecture -- sure, he may be the man, he may be the "I", he may be God, he may be George Washington, he may be Cher for all the poem tells us; to say that the father is probably an amalgam of the characters or that they are the same person in different times or aspects because the poem doesn't tell us anything about the father -- this is surely exchanging the poem as written for the poem you are creating in your head, using the actual poem as a springboard; and while this is fine and you should go ahead and write the poem you are creating and it is good to be creating a poem, it is perhaps best when talking about a poem to stick with what is actually there [and this parenthetical has become a bit meatier and more strident than I really intended it to be, my apologies!]) as I am interested in the effects he gets from how he uses his language. Which is why I keep going back to this "father" thing, because it is odd and interesting and yet I'm not yet convinced it's, shall we say, good.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 25 March 2005 08:35 (twenty years ago)
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Friday, 25 March 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Friday, 25 March 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)
― fair warning, Friday, 25 March 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Friday, 25 March 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)
― 1 tru path, Friday, 25 March 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)
So, to be rude and blunt (but in hopefully a friendly way), do you think the poem is not interesting enough on its own?
― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 25 March 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Saturday, 26 March 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)
― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Saturday, 26 March 2005 04:33 (twenty years ago)
― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Saturday, 26 March 2005 04:48 (twenty years ago)
The problem with a kitten is THATEventually it becomes a CAT.
Now, even in a poem this small and silly there are some interesting things you can say about it. And some of those things are clearly "right" (it's a rhymed couplet) and some are hard to argue with (the poem gets a lot of its power from rhyming "cat" with a word that is both common and unexpected, the poem is humorous, the poem is describing something about cat life that is patently true). There are some things that are "wrong" (it's in French) and some things that are hard to support (this is the greatest poem ever written, this should have been extended to a sonnet). And there are a whole bunch of things in between that can be debated (whether this is indeed the problem with kittens, what the effect of capitalizing the end-rhymes is, the tendency of English to fall into pentameter, the awkwardness of the "ua" sound in "eventually", the relative merit of light verse) and which can't really be resolved to "right" or "wrong".
But as rrrobyn points out, people can (and often do, and are I believe often taught they should) claim the poem is saying or doing things that they have no real evidence of in the poem. That "Anecdote of the Jar" example is a good one. Similarly, it would be straining things to suggest that since the poem is talking about a kitten growing up and becoming less appealing, that this is generalizable and Nash is bemoaning how, say, the problem with children is that eventually they become adults. There's just nothing in the poem to support that generalization (although if you disagree, feel free to argue otherwise, I guess!). Similarly, to look at the poem and say that it is suggesting that time passes and ruins once-wonderful things, well, no, again, it doesn't really say that at all. It says that it ruins kittens, and there's nothing suggesting that this is meant to indicate anything larger. If there other poems of his on similar themes of time reducing the value of something or someone, then yes, you could claim it to be a theme of his work. But it's just not in the poem!
And similarly, with the Merwin poem, saying things like "the narrator and the father and the man are all the same person" or "the father is not there just as the wheel and water aren't there" -- well, these may be what Merwin had in mind, but if so, he expected us to be telepathic; there's nothing to indicate either in the poem. And if that is the direction you take the poem, well, of course that's fine -- it's completely great if a poem or any piece of writing jogs you into thinking about other things, in making connections between other things that you have been thinking about -- but then you are no longer talking about the poem, but instead you're talking about things that are, at best, tangentially related. If you're actually pondering the notion that things grow old and grow less valuable, then of course the Ogden poem gives an example of that idea that is pithy and great; but that doesn't mean that the poem is saying that generalized idea.
And so: If every time you talk about the poem you do it in terms of things that are not in the poem, it seems as if the poem isn't so much what you're interested in as the things you were already thinking about that the poem reminded you of.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 26 March 2005 05:33 (twenty years ago)
I placed a jar in Tennessee, And round it was, upon a hill. It made the slovenly wilderness Surround that hill. The wilderness rose up to it, And sprawled around, no longer wild. The jar was round upon the ground And tall and of a port in air. It took dominion everywhere. The jar was gray and bare. It did not give of bird or bush, Like nothing else in Tennessee.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 26 March 2005 05:34 (twenty years ago)
Someone (I can't remember who) once said that the poem exists in the white spaces between the words. Is this only a pretentious--even meaningless--idea, or is there something to it? I sort of think its true....
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Saturday, 26 March 2005 06:04 (twenty years ago)
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Saturday, 26 March 2005 06:10 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 26 March 2005 08:15 (twenty years ago)
The Swan
This drudgery of trudging through thingsyet undone, heavily, as if bound,is like the swan's not fully created walking.
And dying, this no longer being ableto grasp the ground we stand on every day,is like the swan's anxious letting itself down --:
into the waters, which accept it gentlyand, as if happy and already in the past,draw away under it, ripple upon ripple,while it, now utterly quiet and sureand ever more mature and regaland composed, consents to glide.
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 26 March 2005 09:07 (twenty years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 26 March 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Sunday, 27 March 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)
World is crazier and more of it than we think,Incorrigibly plural. I peel and portionA tangerine and spit the pips and feelThe drunkenness of things being various.
And the fire flames with a bubbling sound for worldIs more spiteful and gay than one supposes -On the tongue on the eyes on the ears in the palms of one's hands -There is more than glass between the snow and the huge roses.
"Snow" -- Louis MacNeice
― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 9 April 2005 10:04 (twenty years ago)
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Poet laureate marks royal wedding The furore surrounding the wedding of Camilla Parker Bowles to Prince Charles is dealt with by poet laureate Andrew Motion in his poem for the occasion. Spring Wedding describes the marriage as a "piece of news", while he talks of the "scandal-flywheel whirring round".
The troubled history of the pair's relationship is also dealt with.
Mr Motion told the BBC he had tried to acknowledge the range of feelings people felt about the marriage.
He said the relationship "was now running its proper course" and he had used the image of a stream to convey the difficulties the couple had faced.
Prince Charles had sent him a letter, and the couple "seemed to like it very much", he added.
Andrew Motion has been poet laureate since 1999.
Spring Wedding
I took your news outdoors, and strolled a while In silence on my square of garden-ground Where I could dim the roar of arguments, Ignore the scandal-flywheel whirring round,
And hear instead the green fuse in the flower Ignite, the breeze stretch out a shadow-hand
To ruffle blossom on its sticking points, The blackbirds sing, and singing take their stand.
I took your news outdoors, and found the Spring Had honoured all its promises to start Disclosing how the principles of earth Can make a common purpose with the heart.
The heart which slips and sidles like a stream Weighed down by winter-wreckage near its source - But given time, and come the clearing rain, Breaks loose to revel in its proper course.
Story from BBC NEWS:http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/4427239.stm
Published: 2005/04/09 08:22:54 GMT
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Saturday, 9 April 2005 10:53 (twenty years ago)
PIETA
And so I see your feet again, Jesus,which then were the feet of a young manwhen shyly I undressed them and washed them;how they were entangled in my hair,like white deer in the thornbush.
And I see your never-loved limbsfor the first time, in this night of love.We never lay down togetherand now we have only adoring and watching over.
But look, your hands are torn--beloved, not from me, not from any bites of mine.Your heart is open and anyone can enter:It should have been the way in for me alone.
Now you are tired and your tired mouthhas no desire for my aching mouth--O Jesus, Jesus, when was our hour?How we both wonderfully perish.
--Rilke
And again:
THE QUIETING OF MARYWITH THE RESURRECTED ONE
What they felt then: is it notabove all other mysteries the sweetestand yet still earthly:when he, pale from the grave,his burdens laid down, went to her:arisen in all places.Oh, first to her. How theyinexpressably began to heal.Yes, to heal: that simple. They felt no needto touch each other strongly.He placed his hand, which next would be eternal, for scarcelya second on her womanly shoulder.And they beganquietly as trees in springin infinite simultaneitytheir seasonof ultimate communing.
--also Rilke
Rilke has some wonderful lines: Who, if I screamed out, would hear meamong the hierarchies of angels? And if one should suddenly take me to his heart: I would perish... Every angel is terrifying....
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Sunday, 10 April 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)
Just a moment you stand in our unheated roomnaked, skin perked, cigarette smokehatching from your mouth.Perhaps most I'd like to die alone, not
together as we've said, noon after noonin bed, sluiced with sleep and love.I want the high grass of painand grazing through pain
[...]
from "Love Poem with Lies and Selfishness" by Dean Young, published in Design with X Wesleyan University Press, 1988.
― youn, Sunday, 10 April 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)
This is the projectionist's nightmare:A bird finds its way into the cinema,finds the beam, flies down it,smashes into a screen depicting a garden,a sunset and two people being nice to each other.Real blood, real intestines, slither down the likeness of a tree.'This is no good,' screams the audience,'This is not what we came to see.'
― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 06:53 (twenty years ago)
from "The Buried Life" by Matthew Arnold
― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 08:24 (twenty years ago)
"At pet stores in Detroit, you can buyfrozen ratsfor seventy-five cents apiece, to feedyour pet boa constrictor"back home in Grosse Pointe,or in Grosse Point Park,
while the free nation of ratsin Detroit emergesfrom alleys behind pet shops, from cellarsand junked cars, and gathers to flow at twilightlike a river the color of pavement,
and crawls over bedrooms and groceries and through brokenschool windows to eat the crayonfrom drawings of rats-and no in Detroit understands how rats are delicious in Dearborn.
If only we could communicate, if onlythe boa constrictors of Southfieldwould slither down I-94,turn north on the Lodge Expressway,and head for Eighth Street, to eatout for a change. Instead, tomorrow,
a man from Birmingham entersa pet shop in Detroitto buy a frozen German shepherdfor six dollars and fifty cents to feed his pet cheetah,guarding the compound at home.
Oh, they arrive all day, in their locked cars, buying schoolyards, bridges, buseschurches, and Ethnic Festivals;they buy a frozen Texaco stationfor eighty-four dollars and fifty cents
to feed to an imported London taxiin Huntington Woods;they buy Tiger Stadium,frozen, to feed to the Little Leaguein Grosse Ile. They bring everythinghome, frozen solid
as pig iron, to the six-car garagesof Harper Woods, Grosse Pointe Woods,Farmington, Grosse PointeFarms, Troy, and Grosse Arbor-and they ingesteverything, and fall asleep, and lie
coiled in the sun, while the citythaws in the stomach and slidesto the small intestine, where enzymesbreak down molecules of protein to amino acids, which enterthe cold bloodstream
--Donald Hall
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 11:08 (twenty years ago)
And because I have such things on my mind somewhat lately:
Wedding
From time to time our love is like a sail and when the sail begins to alternate from tack to tack, it’s like a swallowtail and when the swallow flies it’s like a coat; and if the coat is yours, it has a tear like a wide mouth and when the mouth begins to draw the wind, it’s like a trumpeter and when the trumpet blows, it blows like millions.... and this, my love, when millions come and go beyond the need of us, is like a trick; and when the trick begins, it’s like a toe tip-toeing on a rope, which is like luck; and when the luck begins, it’s like a wedding, which is like love, which is like everything.
--Alice Oswald
:)
― Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 11:52 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)
― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)
― youn, Wednesday, 13 April 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)
― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 14 April 2005 02:38 (twenty years ago)
Of the hay in the barnand the hound in the field
of the bay in the sound, of thesound of the hound in the field
of the back of the field of thebay and the front of the field
of the back of the hound and thefront of the hound and the soundof the hound when he bays atthe sound in the field
with the baying of hounds at thebaying of arms in the field
of the hound on the page in thesound of the hound in the field
of the hay that unrests nearthe hound in the barn in the field
of the bend in the barn in thesound of the hound in the bayby the barn in the field.
[Lisa Jarnot]
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 05:25 (twenty years ago)
Best of all is to be idle, And especially on a Thursday, And to sip wine while studying the light: The way it ages, yellows, turns ashenAnd then hesitates foreverOn the threshold of the nightThat could be bringing the first frost. [...]
from 'Against Whatever It Is That's Encroaching' by Charles Simic
― Archel (Archel), Thursday, 28 April 2005 09:16 (twenty years ago)
INAUGURATION DAY: JANUARY 1953
The snow had buried Stuyvesant.The subways drummed the vaults. I heardthe El's green girders charge on Third,Manhattan's truss of adamant,that groaned in ermine, slummed on want. ...Cyclonic zero of the word,God of our armies, who interredCold Harbor's blue immortals, Grant!Horseman, your sword is in the groove!
Ice, ice. Our wheels no longer move.Look, the fixed stars, all just alikeas lack-land atoms, split apart,and the Republic summons Ike,the mausoleum in her heart.
[Robert Lowell]
― Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 10 July 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)
BTW - they are quite lovely
― newbie, Friday, 15 July 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 15 July 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)
A Game of Chess by Robert Porter St. John
We played at chess one wintry nightBeside the fire, that warm and bright Was mirrored in her hazel eyes; Methought a gleam from ParadiseOutshone the back-log's flickering light.
The hand that took my queen was white,I trembled at its gentle might; Nor sweeter game could Love devise -- We played at chess.
I scarce could see to play aright,I took a pawn and lost a knight, And then she gazed with mild surprise -- She said I was not shrewd nor wise;And yet, to me, with strange delight We played at chess.
― Mr. Jaggers, Friday, 15 July 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)
She sits in the park. Her clothes are out of date.Two children whine and bicker, tug her skirt.A third draws aimless patterns in the dirt.Someone she loved once passes by - too late
to feign indifference to that casual nod."How nice," et cetera. "Time holds great surprises."From his neat head unquestionably risesa small balloon ... "but for the grace of God ..."
They stand a while in flickering light, rehearsingthe children's names and birthdays. "It's so sweetto hear their chatter, watch them grow and thrive,"she says to his departing smile. Then, nursingthe youngest child, sits staring at her feet.To the wind she says, "They have eaten me alive."
― salexander / sofia (salexander), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 11:54 (nineteen years ago)
[I am led to believe this is by Paul Goodman.]
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:24 (nineteen years ago)
Softly and humbly to the Gulf of Arabs The convoys of dead sailors come; At night they sway and wander in the waters far under, But morning rolls them in the foam.
Between the sob and clubbing of gunfire Someone, it seems, has time for this, To pluck them from the shallows and bury them in burrows And tread the sand upon their nakedness;
And each cross, the driven stake of tidewood, Bears the last signature of men, Written with such perplexity, with such bewildered pity, The words choke as they begin -
'Unknown seaman' - the ghostly pencil Wavers and fades, the purple drips, The breath of wet season has washed their inscriptions As blue as drowned men's lips,
Dead seamen, gone in search of the same landfall, Whether as enemies they fought, Or fought with us, or neither; the sand joins them together, Enlisted on the other front.
― salexander / sofia (salexander), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 05:58 (nineteen years ago)
ON YOUR MARKMy hand was marked in Octoberon the last hot afternoon of the year.My hands, they are full of them. Hot daysand marks alike. They tell much morethan my jittery tongue, my torrential pen.When folks say ‘I’ve got more _____ in this little pinky…’they’re right. Our lives accumulate their weight in extremities,and our littlest appendages house what we value most – or whatwe ought. Pinkies don’t talk much about their holdings. They’rebullied day-in day-out by big, thick, dense pointers. The guysthat can say ‘There, look.’ and ‘Fuck you.’ easy as pie. But pinkiesare also the only part of us that remains childlike. We’d like topretend we are still awed, still broken, still bubbling, still selfless,still so much to reach…but at this age it is all affectation.When’s the last time you sat around seeinghow high you could throw a ball? You’dprobably love it, but only in remembering loving it.Would you be able to catch it again without a pinky?Maybe, but you’d look pretty stupid.
[poems a friend of mine sent the other day]
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 3 November 2005 15:46 (nineteen years ago)
The room was suddenly rich and the great bay-window was Spawning snow and pink roses against it Soundlessly collateral and incompatible: World is suddener than we fancy it.
World is crazier and more of it than we think, Incorrigibly plural. I peel and portion A tangerine and spit the pips and feel The drunkenness of things being various.
And the fire flames with a bubbling sound for world Is more spiteful and gay than one supposes - On the tongue on the eyes on the ears in the palms of one's hands - There is more than glass between the snow and the huge roses.
- Louis MacNeice -
― Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 3 November 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago)
There is one patch of ice, a northeast circle,Sharply darker than the rest. I thinkIn spring this part'll liquefy first; the murk'llPercolate its lively inner stink
Loaded with food. Ma llard, milady swimThereon. The rocks are all so quiet now.No magpie. Light is neither bright nor dim.Two cidgers circumnavigate, and how
To get from here to April's popping goodies?Just walk and dream. Follow that script of Woody's.
[Jack Collom]
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 3 November 2005 20:42 (nineteen years ago)
A splat of mud and stones electrolacedBegan to crawl.
Somersaulted out on a cord of bloodHit a climax of discomfitureAnd recompsed itself to rot.
Make me an animal better than that.
[Catherine Wagner]
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 10 November 2005 23:12 (nineteen years ago)
Old menmove me.The way courage is asked of themto walk.The way they still wear hatsand tip them for a lady.How their collars stand out from their thin necks.How they are careful to balance their heads.How they do not complainbut, if you ask, might say,"Most horrible!" and grin.How they wear Hush Puppies, walk silently,practicing to be ghosts.How their hair grows so white and thinit lies on their frail skulls like light.How when they are alone, their spindle fingersmake gestures, speak in silence.How their mouths work, remembering.How their eyes, their eyes look far, far off,seeing something I do not yet know what.
--Norah Pollard
― j c (j c), Sunday, 13 November 2005 17:06 (nineteen years ago)
- howard moss
― archipelago (archipelago), Sunday, 13 November 2005 21:50 (nineteen years ago)
― Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 27 January 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)
Good luck!
― Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)