If you are interested in my biases, I'll reveal them.
I prefer to read poets whose native language is English, over reading English translations of poets who wrote in other languages. Really good poetic translations are happy finds, but I always wonder what drastic compromises the translator was forced into.
I prefer poets who work in, or push against, recognizable traditions, as opposed to poets who have clearly thrown away every vestige of their connection to tradition in order to claim the merit of novelty.
I prefer poetry that wants to be read aloud. I like there to be some distinguishable metric structure, even if it isn't stanzaic.
I dislike typographic poetry. For example, if ee cummings hadn't had a lovely sardonic sense of humor, I would abominate everything he wrote. As it is I can barely stand it anyway, just because of his typography and tendency to be unspeakable.
Long observation teaches me I am more likely to appreciate a poet who's a man than if she's a woman. It is a temperment thing, not a judgment of innate worth.
Please do not take these biases as meaning I will not investigate any poet you name, if I am not already familiar with him or her. I am teachable.
Thank you.
― Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 22 January 2005 05:14 (twenty years ago)
I'm going to go with Ted Berrigan. "The Sonnets" is his masterwork, and somewhat suffers under the weight of this, but is pretty great. His other work is looser, though, and filled with delights. Grab "Train Ride" if you see it, which I have a complete affection for, probably above and beyond what it deserves; if you don't like it, I'll buy it off you, but it's rare. "A Certain Slant Of Sunlight" is also nice. His selected is called "So Going Around Cities" and I think it was recently reprinted; it will do.
I took part in a reading of "The Sonnets" not long ago, so it works well read aloud. And it is very much involved with the tensions of a lyric tradition and how you can push it around, but also deeply emotional and sad -- the work of a young turk. And something which he quickly gets over; the later stuff always feels like a celebration of poetry and life (and yes that sounds cheezy, but he makes it work for me).
― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 22 January 2005 09:02 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 22 January 2005 09:03 (twenty years ago)
― John (jdahlem), Saturday, 22 January 2005 09:52 (twenty years ago)
― zedex, Saturday, 22 January 2005 11:11 (twenty years ago)
― the pinefox, Saturday, 22 January 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)
At the Writer's Almanac, each day Garrison Keillor reads a poem as part of the daily recording. Many of these are enjoyable.Mr. Jaggers
― Mr. Jaggers, Saturday, 22 January 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)
My alltime faves are:Elizabeth BishopGalway KinnellMurial RukeyserWallace StevensTheodore RoethkeThen there's Emily Dickinson.
― mcd (mcd), Sunday, 23 January 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)
Philip LarkinDerek WalcottDelmore Schwartz (not everthing, but some of the more well-known stuff)Paul Muldoon (but beware his pop music poems! For a good poem about a pop musician, look for Michael Hoffmann's poem about Marvin Gaye)
and these non-English-language poetsAntonio MachadoRainer Maria RilkeBertolt BrechtJacques PrévertArthur Rimbaud
[Hint: I have the um, bilingual editions]
― Ken L (Ken L), Sunday, 23 January 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)
Philip LevineDavid St. JohnGlyn Maxwell
― bnw (bnw), Monday, 24 January 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)
I wonder, though, if in many of these cases it's more a matter of you not knowing the traditions they're taking part in.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 24 January 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 24 January 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Monday, 24 January 2005 04:59 (twenty years ago)
Sorry you took it that way number nine number nine number nine. I didn't intend echt disrespect to any poet you might treasure up a less than great indifference toward.
― Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 24 January 2005 06:53 (twenty years ago)
― Matt (Matt), Monday, 24 January 2005 07:23 (twenty years ago)
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Monday, 24 January 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Monday, 24 January 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 24 January 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)
And suggest a reevaluation of Cummings; I dispute the charge that typographic gimmickry is all he offers. Almost everything he writes is rigidly metric, and tightly rhymed.
More recent poets I'll recommend are Stephen Dunn and Mona van Duyn.
― The Mad Puffin, Monday, 24 January 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)
― Haibun (Begs2Differ), Monday, 24 January 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)
― mck (mck), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)
I especially appreciate the names that are entirely new and unknown to me. Those are the prize catches. Thanks again.
― Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)
― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)
― the bluefox, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 03:26 (twenty years ago)
― dja, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)
― Matt (Matt), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)
― Adam Webb, Thursday, 27 January 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Thursday, 27 January 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)
Anyone else?
― Amy Biedrom, Saturday, 29 January 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)
― Donald, Sunday, 30 January 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)
I collected all the names mentioned here that I had not previously been acquainted with and I printed them on a crib sheet that I put into my billfold. I consulted this crib extensively at bookstores and libraries over the past several weeks.
First finding: Many of the youngest poets were (predictably) hard to find anywhere. I do not live in New York or London, but Portland, Oregon - a "good reading town" but still a mid-sized provincial US city. Of those I located I read goodly chunks - 20-30 pp. at the very least - before jumping to any conclusions.
I found some poets who simply didn't chime with my view of life, the world and everything. We met; we shrugged; we parted. I found others who were able and wormanlike, but no arrows flew to my heart.
However, I have not walked off empty-handed. I did discover one poet (not mentioned here) whom I found to be worth every bit of the effort I put in: James Wright. I will return the favor so many of you did me and recommend him to your consideration. He died in the mid-1980s. His collected works are called Above the River.
Also, for the first time I read a considerable fraction of James Merrill. I now own his Collected Poems, in hardbound. They are a keeper.
If and as I turn up further finds, I'll add another update.
(Oh, and for the record, I deem that Kenneth Fearing is all-too-forgotten and seriously underrated at this time.)
― Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 14 February 2005 06:57 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 14 February 2005 23:01 (twenty years ago)
Also:Robert Creeley - "I Know A Man"; "When I Heard the Learn'd Astronomer..."Allen Ginsberg - his poems were written to be spoken (or ). Can't go wrong with Howl. There's a recording of "America" with Tom Waits making music in the background; sounds nice if you can find it.Adrienne Rich - the only 'political' poet that doesn't make me cringe. "Planetarium"Lord Byron - Don Juan: Groucho Marx does Homer's Odyssey.P.K. Page - "Photos of a Salt Mine" sounds like icy caverns when read aloud. (I just checked).Seamus Heaney - Paul Muldoon gets the nod but not Seamus Heaney? Heaney's another Ulster poet, and once Muldoon's tutor. "Digging" sounds like digging sounds. "Station Island" is also top-notch.
― Eric Davis (irex), Thursday, 17 February 2005 05:52 (twenty years ago)
― Gina Ruiz (Gina Ruiz), Friday, 18 February 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 18 February 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)
C'mon. Feel the love.
― Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 18 February 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)
― donald, Saturday, 19 February 2005 05:10 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 19 February 2005 06:41 (twenty years ago)
Kenneth Fearing
― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 19 February 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)
― Guayaquil, Sunday, 20 February 2005 02:31 (twenty years ago)
W.B. Yeats (famous crossover hit from the Celtic Twilight group)E.A. Robinson Ezra PoundT.S. EliotWilliam Carlos WilliamsWallace StevensRobert FrostElizabeth BishopMarianne MooreJames StephensPadraic ColumRobert GravesW.H. AudenPhillip LarkinRandall JarrellWilliam Stafford (he lived a few miles from my house)
As you can see, this was heavily weighted to the early part of the century and pretty sparse after the 1950s.
Since I posted this question I've poked around quite a bit and my 'permanent' library now includes these 20th century poets (in English) who hadn't been there before:
Langston HughesLouis MacNeiceKenneth RexrothR.S. ThomasJohn BerrymanJames MerrillJames WrightRobert Lowell
This is still not a very contemporary list by any means.
I find that the contemporary poets are off in another corner of the pasture than where I like to graze. I value fluency and lyricism far more highly than any contemporary poets seem to value them. I know this is a matter of taste and that the herd needs to graze in every part of the field, to give the overgrazed parts a chance to lie fallow.
I'll keep looking, though. I'm always interested in what else is out there. And thanks again to everyone who responded.
― Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 29 October 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)
― Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 29 October 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)
― anthony, Sunday, 30 October 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)
― Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 31 October 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)
― anthony, Monday, 31 October 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)
Well, anyway, may I recommend David McAleavey's book Huge Haiku? Have I mentioned that already? Give it a try, he's coming to read here in December, and I think you (and pretty much everyone else) might like him.
Oh! And Jack Collom, who is also coming to read here soon, who I think you would also like, especially if you can track down the Dog Sonnets. I think you would really like that book.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 04:40 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 04:43 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:57 (twenty years ago)