Recommend me some poets, please

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Please tell me the name of a poet you like. Any poet of any era is fine. But, as I have a very spotty knowledge of poets who were born after, say, 1950 I'd be especially appreciative of the names of more modern poets. I'll look them up and sort out the ones I want to dig into further.

If you are interested in my biases, I'll reveal them.

I prefer to read poets whose native language is English, over reading English translations of poets who wrote in other languages. Really good poetic translations are happy finds, but I always wonder what drastic compromises the translator was forced into.

I prefer poets who work in, or push against, recognizable traditions, as opposed to poets who have clearly thrown away every vestige of their connection to tradition in order to claim the merit of novelty.

I prefer poetry that wants to be read aloud. I like there to be some distinguishable metric structure, even if it isn't stanzaic.

I dislike typographic poetry. For example, if ee cummings hadn't had a lovely sardonic sense of humor, I would abominate everything he wrote. As it is I can barely stand it anyway, just because of his typography and tendency to be unspeakable.

Long observation teaches me I am more likely to appreciate a poet who's a man than if she's a woman. It is a temperment thing, not a judgment of innate worth.

Please do not take these biases as meaning I will not investigate any poet you name, if I am not already familiar with him or her. I am teachable.

Thank you.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 22 January 2005 05:14 (twenty years ago)

(E.E. Cummings is a pretty shallow poet, IMO.)

I'm going to go with Ted Berrigan. "The Sonnets" is his masterwork, and somewhat suffers under the weight of this, but is pretty great. His other work is looser, though, and filled with delights. Grab "Train Ride" if you see it, which I have a complete affection for, probably above and beyond what it deserves; if you don't like it, I'll buy it off you, but it's rare. "A Certain Slant Of Sunlight" is also nice. His selected is called "So Going Around Cities" and I think it was recently reprinted; it will do.

I took part in a reading of "The Sonnets" not long ago, so it works well read aloud. And it is very much involved with the tensions of a lyric tradition and how you can push it around, but also deeply emotional and sad -- the work of a young turk. And something which he quickly gets over; the later stuff always feels like a celebration of poetry and life (and yes that sounds cheezy, but he makes it work for me).

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 22 January 2005 09:02 (twenty years ago)

Also, Ted Berrigan reading The Sonnets, which I've downloaded but haven't listened to yet. I'm saving it, like a present.

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 22 January 2005 09:03 (twenty years ago)

i didn't read anything that you said but ts eliot is a god of sorts...he is actually directly resbonsible for mungo jerry who were interm directly responsible for yes IN THE SUMMERTIME...his actual poems of coures are complete shit.

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 22 January 2005 09:52 (twenty years ago)

me

zedex, Saturday, 22 January 2005 11:11 (twenty years ago)

Paul Farley. Even Cozen likes him, sometimes. He told me, midway through a light wood we were in.

the pinefox, Saturday, 22 January 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

My recent favorite poem is "My Agent Says." See:
http://writersalmanac.publicradio.org/docs/02_12_30.htm

At the Writer's Almanac, each day Garrison Keillor reads a poem as part of the daily recording. Many of these are enjoyable.
Mr. Jaggers

Mr. Jaggers, Saturday, 22 January 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

I think you should check out Jorie Graham's Dream of the Unified Field and some Mark Doty, maybe My Alexandria.

My alltime faves are:
Elizabeth Bishop
Galway Kinnell
Murial Rukeyser
Wallace Stevens
Theodore Roethke
Then there's Emily Dickinson.

mcd (mcd), Sunday, 23 January 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)

Don't know much about poetry but in addition to whatever else is mentioned here, I'd recommend:

Philip Larkin
Derek Walcott
Delmore Schwartz (not everthing, but some of the more well-known stuff)
Paul Muldoon (but beware his pop music poems! For a good poem about a pop musician, look for Michael Hoffmann's poem about Marvin Gaye)


and these non-English-language poets
Antonio Machado
Rainer Maria Rilke
Bertolt Brecht
Jacques Prévert
Arthur Rimbaud

[Hint: I have the um, bilingual editions]

Ken L (Ken L), Sunday, 23 January 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)

I think Doty is a good suggestion. I'd add:

Philip Levine
David St. John
Glyn Maxwell

bnw (bnw), Monday, 24 January 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

I prefer poets who work in, or push against, recognizable traditions, as opposed to poets who have clearly thrown away every vestige of their connection to tradition in order to claim the merit of novelty.

I wonder, though, if in many of these cases it's more a matter of you not knowing the traditions they're taking part in.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 24 January 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)

(Or, put another way, it's hard not to read that as "no rap, no country". Although there is a whole set of writers who strike me as shallow novelty-seekers, so it's not that I disagree with you, it's just that I might disagree with who to put that label on. Or perhaps not.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 24 January 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)

CHARLES OLSON

o. nate (onate), Monday, 24 January 2005 04:59 (twenty years ago)

...it's hard not to read that as "no rap, no country"

Sorry you took it that way number nine number nine number nine. I didn't intend echt disrespect to any poet you might treasure up a less than great indifference toward.

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 24 January 2005 06:53 (twenty years ago)

Lee Harwood
Roy Fisher
Barry MacSweeney
Tom Raworth

Matt (Matt), Monday, 24 January 2005 07:23 (twenty years ago)

Walt Whitman. James Merril. Dylan Thomas.

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Monday, 24 January 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

'scuse me, that's Merrill. And how about W.S. Merwin?

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Monday, 24 January 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

(No disrespect taken, nor did I intend any towards you.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 24 January 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

Of 20th-century poets, I'd vote for: Philip Larkin, Randall Jarrell, and Wallace Stevens above most.

And suggest a reevaluation of Cummings; I dispute the charge that typographic gimmickry is all he offers. Almost everything he writes is rigidly metric, and tightly rhymed.

More recent poets I'll recommend are Stephen Dunn and Mona van Duyn.

The Mad Puffin, Monday, 24 January 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

Paul Beatty, esp. Joker Joker Deuce
Langston Hughes, still massively underrated after all these years
Stevie Smith (n.b. She is a woman.)
Edna St. Vincent Millay (also a woman but still)
Gary Snyder (an Oregon boy like us, Aimless!)

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Monday, 24 January 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

Another vote for Mark Doty (I'm particularly partial to "Source")
Kenneth Koch (I like "One Train May Hide Another")
Mark Halliday
Bob Hicok
Karen Volkman

mck (mck), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

While this thread is quite welcome to run further, I want to thank those who contributed. I already knew some of the poets named well enough to love or not love them, but a surprising number are ones I have only nodded toward in passing and now deserve a closer look.

I especially appreciate the names that are entirely new and unknown to me. Those are the prize catches. Thanks again.

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

I'd like to second or propose:
Paul Farley
Don Paterson
Michael Donaghy
Rebecca Elson
UA Fanthorpe
Edwin Morgan
Edward Thomas
Jo Shapcott

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

Is the phrase 'no rap, no country' a familiar or conventional one? (It's not familiarto me, and I can't quite decipher its meaning.)

the bluefox, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

The poem "One Train May Hide Another" is pretty great, as I recall.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)

Sorry I didn't read all of your original post, Aimless, or I might not have suggested Olson, even though he is one of my favorite post-1950 poets. Olson does occasionally use some typographic elements, and he doesn't tend to follow regular metrical patterns, at least that I've noticed. But he is great for reading aloud.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 03:26 (twenty years ago)

sharon olds is amazing.

dja, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

Edwin Morgan and Don Paterson are both excellent calls. I haven't read any Farley but the love for him extant on ILB means I may well investigate.

Matt (Matt), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

Tony Harrison. A google search will turn up some of his most famous poems.

Adam Webb, Thursday, 27 January 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

X J Kennedy maybe?

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Thursday, 27 January 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

I fancy James Tate/Thomas Lux.

Anyone else?

Amy Biedrom, Saturday, 29 January 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

I'd recomend the tape of a James Tate reading, get it from the Academy of American Poets, it's hilarious. Other poets in that "wry" vein include David Kirby, Ron Koertge (Billy Collins is a fan), Stephen Dobyns, Tony Hoagland! and that uncertified madman Bill Knott—none of them write in a distinguishable meter; all of them are great out loud (though Knott is, more times than not, incomprehensible)

Donald, Sunday, 30 January 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
Quick revival for an update.

I collected all the names mentioned here that I had not previously been acquainted with and I printed them on a crib sheet that I put into my billfold. I consulted this crib extensively at bookstores and libraries over the past several weeks.

First finding: Many of the youngest poets were (predictably) hard to find anywhere. I do not live in New York or London, but Portland, Oregon - a "good reading town" but still a mid-sized provincial US city. Of those I located I read goodly chunks - 20-30 pp. at the very least - before jumping to any conclusions.

I found some poets who simply didn't chime with my view of life, the world and everything. We met; we shrugged; we parted. I found others who were able and wormanlike, but no arrows flew to my heart.

However, I have not walked off empty-handed. I did discover one poet (not mentioned here) whom I found to be worth every bit of the effort I put in: James Wright. I will return the favor so many of you did me and recommend him to your consideration. He died in the mid-1980s. His collected works are called Above the River.

Also, for the first time I read a considerable fraction of James Merrill. I now own his Collected Poems, in hardbound. They are a keeper.

If and as I turn up further finds, I'll add another update.

(Oh, and for the record, I deem that Kenneth Fearing is all-too-forgotten and seriously underrated at this time.)

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 14 February 2005 06:57 (twenty years ago)

After visiting Seattle's library again and checking out the 20th C. poetry selections, I have to say that we have a better selection in the Portland library, at least based on what's on the shelves.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 14 February 2005 23:01 (twenty years ago)

Frank O'Hara - read him. His poems are generally short and astonishing (and can be read at www.frankohara.com!). Check out his short essay "Personism: A Manifesto" for an excellent and hilarious introduction to his poetry. For poems, I'll limit myself to two: "The Day Lady Died" and "Why I Am Not A Painter".

Also:
Robert Creeley - "I Know A Man"; "When I Heard the Learn'd Astronomer..."
Allen Ginsberg - his poems were written to be spoken (or ). Can't go wrong with Howl. There's a recording of "America" with Tom Waits making music in the background; sounds nice if you can find it.
Adrienne Rich - the only 'political' poet that doesn't make me cringe. "Planetarium"
Lord Byron - Don Juan: Groucho Marx does Homer's Odyssey.
P.K. Page - "Photos of a Salt Mine" sounds like icy caverns when read aloud. (I just checked).
Seamus Heaney - Paul Muldoon gets the nod but not Seamus Heaney? Heaney's another Ulster poet, and once Muldoon's tutor. "Digging" sounds like digging sounds. "Station Island" is also top-notch.

Eric Davis (irex), Thursday, 17 February 2005 05:52 (twenty years ago)

Dylan Thomas
Seamus Heaney
Charles Bukowski
Allan Ginsberg
Sylvia Plath
Jim Morrison
Clemente Soto Velez
Robert Creeley
Czesław Miłosz
Gloria Anzaldua
Ana Castillo
NAOMI SHIHAB NYE
ELIOT WEINBERGER

Gina Ruiz (Gina Ruiz), Friday, 18 February 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

Jim Morrison?!

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 18 February 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

There's a killer on the road.
His brain is squirming like a toad.

C'mon. Feel the love.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 18 February 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

jim Morrison? I don't think he really works without the musak. I have a great fondness for Powells in Portland, what a great place, I assume you know it well. And James Wright is great, an American Tang dynasty all his own (even though he was a bi-polar drunken sentimentalist, or sometimes because he was). If you like Wright, you might love Theodore Roethke. But let us praise famous JW poems: Autumn Begins in Martin's Ferry, Ohio; A Blessing; Lying in a Hammock at William Duffy's Farm in Pine Island, Minnesota; As I Step Over A Puddle At The End Of Winter, I Think Of An Ancient Chinese Governor; At the Executed Murderer's Grave; In Response to a Rumor That the Oldest Whorehouse in Wheeling, West Virginia, Has Been Condemned; Northern Pike!

donald, Saturday, 19 February 2005 05:10 (twenty years ago)

I guess I'm impressed that someone who would bother to put the crosses in Milosz's Ls would claim Jim Morrison as a great poet. That's what I get for assuming!

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 19 February 2005 06:41 (twenty years ago)

'Aphrodite Metropolis'

Harry loves Myrtle--He has strong arms, from the warehouse,
And on Sunday when they take the bus to emerald meadows he doesn't say:
"What will your chastity amount to when your flesh withers in a little while?"
No,
On Sunday, when they picnic in emerald meadows they look at the Sunday paper:
GIRL SLAYS BANKER-BETRAYER
They spread it around on the grass
BATH-TUB STIRS JERSEY ROW
And then they sit down on it, nice.
Harry doesn't say "Ziggin's Ointment for withered flesh,
Cures thousands of men and women of motes, warts, red veins,
flabby throat, scalp and hair diseases,
Not expensive, and fully guaranteed."
No,
Harry says nothing at all,
He smiles,
And they kiss in the emerald meadows on the Sunday paper.

Kenneth Fearing

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 19 February 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)

Famous: John Ashbery. Less famous: Stephen Burt. Monica Youn. August Kleinzahler.

Guayaquil, Sunday, 20 February 2005 02:31 (twenty years ago)

eight months pass...
Before I posted this I already owned collections of these 20th century poets writing in English (who I didn't mention so as not to put limits on the suggestions I got):

W.B. Yeats (famous crossover hit from the Celtic Twilight group)
E.A. Robinson
Ezra Pound
T.S. Eliot
William Carlos Williams
Wallace Stevens
Robert Frost
Elizabeth Bishop
Marianne Moore
James Stephens
Padraic Colum
Robert Graves
W.H. Auden
Phillip Larkin
Randall Jarrell
William Stafford (he lived a few miles from my house)

As you can see, this was heavily weighted to the early part of the century and pretty sparse after the 1950s.

Since I posted this question I've poked around quite a bit and my 'permanent' library now includes these 20th century poets (in English) who hadn't been there before:

Langston Hughes
Louis MacNeice
Kenneth Rexroth
R.S. Thomas
John Berryman
James Merrill
James Wright
Robert Lowell

This is still not a very contemporary list by any means.

I find that the contemporary poets are off in another corner of the pasture than where I like to graze. I value fluency and lyricism far more highly than any contemporary poets seem to value them. I know this is a matter of taste and that the herd needs to graze in every part of the field, to give the overgrazed parts a chance to lie fallow.

I'll keep looking, though. I'm always interested in what else is out there. And thanks again to everyone who responded.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 29 October 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

P.S. Casuistry, I just saw that U. of California Press has issued a hardbound Collected Poems of Ted Berrigan, all to be had for a mere -ahem- $50.00. I would be sorry if this knowledge only served to torture you with unfullfilled desire - but if you can afford it, it should delight you.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 29 October 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

http://www.fencemag.com/current/text/schutz.html
lacy schutz is fucking amazing, ive only seen half a dozen or so in journals, not even sure if she has a chapbook, but the one above is amazing

anthony, Sunday, 30 October 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

Your enthusiasm does you credit. As a poem this has some nice bits, but it is a box of miscellanea. Or so it seems to me.

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 31 October 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

you made a pun on the cunt imagery, didnt you...i liked how it worked as a box of miscelleanea, almost a critical engangement with the popularity of "unstructured" list poems, post ny school

anthony, Monday, 31 October 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)

Shit.

Well, anyway, may I recommend David McAleavey's book Huge Haiku? Have I mentioned that already? Give it a try, he's coming to read here in December, and I think you (and pretty much everyone else) might like him.

Oh! And Jack Collom, who is also coming to read here soon, who I think you would also like, especially if you can track down the Dog Sonnets. I think you would really like that book.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 04:40 (twenty years ago)

It's only $32-odd dollars on Amazon! Eep!

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 04:43 (twenty years ago)

I don't read a great deal of poetry, but Robert Lowell is one of the few post WWII poets I really like - his poems feel modern and yet are both challenging and precise in the way that good 18th or 19th century poetry is. I like poems that force me to look up words and puzzle over the exact meanings of lines for a while.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:57 (twenty years ago)


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