It's occurred to me, after reading Actual Air this week and actually enjoying it, that the reason I don't read as much poetry I'd like to is because I have far too many complete-works-of-x type things and horrendously weighty anthologies and almost no individual publications of individual poets, and so the whole thing seems kind of onerous and weighty. Therefore I am starting this thread to trawl for recommendations: please to tell me a book you hold close or one you've enjoyed recently. For bonus points recommend multiple poet collections as well, but not if they're a mile thick or published by Bloodaxe or both
― thomp, Tuesday, 5 May 2009 20:46 (sixteen years ago)
An "Objectivists" Anthology ftw
― sorry for british (country matters), Tuesday, 5 May 2009 21:03 (sixteen years ago)
I'm a bit in the same boat - lots of collecteds that I can't always be arsed to carry around when I want to read them on eg commute or won't fit in pocket when I have no bag. There's the 'poets who didn't write much' solution, so, say, Ian Hamilton's Collected Poems is very slim & maybe worth a look. Do Selecteds offer any solution? Marianne Moore and Geoffrey Hill (the older version for slimness) are brief, but everything in them is worth tangling with. Edwin Muir's another one with a super-brief, good selected. Muldoon too? (Oddly, not a huge fan of Hill or Muldoon, but sometimes I enjoy being frustrated/impressed by them rather than rereading a bit of Bishop or Auden or whoever).If you're in the UK, then charity/2nd-hand shops usually have those 1960s Penguin Modern Poets books, each of which contains selections from three poets. Ah - thanks wikipedia. They're mostly less than £1 and 2/3 interesting (tho' after too many years browsing there's something disheartening about seeing 'Amis - Moraes - Porter' on a spine over and over and over again). The Faber Book of Modern Verse is full of good stuff and not too huge.Robert Lowell's Imitations is an individual collection I come back to a lot. Oh, and Christopher Logue's versions of Homer are great and portable. Over on What Are You Reading, a couple of us enjoyed (I mostly expressed reservations, but that's just my unhealthy nature) The Broken Word by Adam Foulds. Shit. Almost everything I've mentioned is either Faber or Penguin. I think I'm a poetry rockist.
― woofwoofwoof, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 09:48 (sixteen years ago)
My forever favourite is Pound's Cantos - probly not what you're looking for.Faber Book of Modern Verse seconded, that's a fine book.I think Tony Harrison's Selected Poems is a fine book too and it's manageably sized. To be honest there are about a gazillion poets this holds true for tho. I love Basil Bunting's Briggflatts but lots of people don't. Also I've just discovered there's a Bloodaxe edition, soz. But with a DVD! I'm buying that shit now.
― Dom P's Rusty Nuts (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 09:59 (sixteen years ago)
Geoffrey Hill's New and Collected Poems looks nice.
― Dom P's Rusty Nuts (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 10:06 (sixteen years ago)
lol I didn't see that was already mentioned.
― Dom P's Rusty Nuts (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 10:07 (sixteen years ago)
some faves
ck williams - selected poems (his first 4-5 books are great, this is a good overview)ws merwin - the lice (this is available in his collection, the second four books of poems)ted hughes - crowjohn berryman - the dream songs
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 13:24 (sixteen years ago)
also a big fan of the penguin anthology, surrealist poetry in english
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 13:32 (sixteen years ago)
My well-thumbed copy of Wallace Stevens' The Palm at the End of the Mind.
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 13:36 (sixteen years ago)
there's something disheartening about seeing 'Amis - Moraes - Porter' on a spine over and over and over again
He means heartening, I'm sure of it.
Or not.
I'm not sure why that one is ALWAYS the one that is in second-hand bookshops. Could almost do a thread of books that you always see in second-hand bookshops - that being one. The Way of All Flesh by Samuel Butler being another.
With those slim Penguin collections I was fortunate to find a box set of six of them (including A-M-P as it happens, yes).
As for Collections I Like - Sir Walter Ralegh slips into the pocket easily.
If you see the two volume The Poet's Tongue, edited by WH Auden and J Garrett, it can be worth picking up. It's all different poets obviously, but with the little conceit of not including who each poem is by. I quite like this as a bit of fun, guessing who wrote the poems you don't know and can help pass the time on those pesky journeys on public transport. Also, not knowing the poet (presuming you don't know the poem of course) can result in fresh appreciation of poets you had hitherto ignored, I tell you it can - if you are given to prejudice in such matters, as I am.
One volume slides into an inner jacket pocket with only a minimum of stitch rending.
― The Fairy Josser (GamalielRatsey), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 13:39 (sixteen years ago)
I'm not sure why that one is ALWAYS the one that is in second-hand bookshops. Could almost do a thread of books that you always see in second-hand bookshops - that being one. The Way of All Flesh by Samuel Butler being another.We have one, actually!Books you never fail to see in charity shops.
I'm pretty new to reading poetry, but the collection I've spent the most time reading is a small Norwegian volume of Zbigniew Herbert -- "Report on a city under siege"Geoffrey Hill is a marvel, even though I have trouble understanding him most of the time. I mostly own cheap whole kit'n'poemoodle collections by a few authors (Auden, Stevens, Hauge, Ibsen, Christensen, Øverland, Crane...)
At the moment my favorite book of poems is The New Oxford Book of English Verse, 1250-1950, edited by Helen Gardner. It's ridiculously big, which makes it somewhat unwieldy, but it's so much to open at random and read whatever hooks my eye. I've a tendency to go for the old stuff though -- "From the hag and hungry goblin / that into rags would rend ye"... Such a delight!This reminds me that I've heard the English translations of Olav H Hauge are really good, so I highly recommend looking into him if anyone's curious about Norwegian poetry.
― Øystein, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 14:21 (sixteen years ago)
If you see the two volume The Poet's Tongue, edited by WH Auden and J Garrett
Have a signed copy of one of the volumes of this. Guess which of the authors it's signed by? (clue: I don't think it's worth much).
Cosign on the CK Williams. I pick that up more than the recent collected.
And Crow's a great call for individual volumes. I was struggling to think of ones I like. It is tricky, since most of them I know from the bigger collections and are sensible to read there - so if I say High Windows and The Whitsun Weddings, I feel like I've virtually ended up back at Collected Larkin.
Ashbery can feel a bit more manageable in that sort of dose - Girls on the Run and Self-Portrait in a Convex Mirror I've enjoyed in single volumes.
James Fenton used to be another small collected man: the old Memory of War/Children of Exile is a nice, brief, concentrated complete poems.
― woofwoofwoof, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 15:36 (sixteen years ago)
Extremely cool is Hwaet! by Peter Glassgold. It's an anthology of Modernist poetry translated into Anglo-Saxon. I recall Marianne Moore's "To a Steam Roller" turned into "Stemetredere". Also some W. C. Williams.
When I was a boy my mainstay (despite the title) was The Voice That Is Great Within Us, edited by Carruth. Discovered Zukofsky and Kees through that.
I'm awed by Hill but Muldoon leaves me cold.
Frederick Seidel's Collected Poems just came out. It will be mine.
― alimosina, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 15:47 (sixteen years ago)
Gosh, this one took off. Thx all. I'll have a look, come the weekend, when I hope to be in some bookstores.
I have 'The Poet's Tongue' - well, one volume of it - the poems are chosen with a particularly morbid bent which has perhaps made it less of a pleasure for me - and so I've hardly read much of it. I might leave it at work. I've read more of the two Donald Allen anthologies in the week of having them on my desk than I have in the three years of owning them previous. Today's favourite: Jackson Mac Low. The volumes have also convinced me I need to further explore Ashbery, Koch, Schuyler. And some others, I made a list in a notebook somewhere. And does anyone actually like Charles Olson?
Also well done to the person who suggested Pound's Cantos, I've been meaning to get around that for ages. I think I decided I want to get there via Kenner's 'The Pound Era', still waiting to see a cheap copy. But I kind of feel I need some of the groundwork.
Re: Tony Harrison: I like that one poem of his - "ai, ai, stutterer Demosthenes" - that's him, right? But I read 'V' a while ago and it killed my interest in British poetry for months, I must say. Is the former of these more typical?
― thomp, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 16:11 (sixteen years ago)
this is my favourite poetry collection (lolz):
A Common Thread/
no, but seriously: it's my baby, but i can honestly say there's some fantastic poetry in there, by people who've never been published and by seasoned small-press writers.
if anyone's interested, email me at chance.press.books (at) gmail (dot) com and i'll email you a few poems as a sample of the anthology.
/end of sales pitch
― where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 16:17 (sixteen years ago)
I've got to throw props to russell edson - the reason why the closet-man is sad. or maybe the tunnel: selected poems.
trying to remember the name of the awesome anthology of south american poets I have, but I'm drawing a blank.... it was curated by strand or justice or somebody like that...
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 20:19 (sixteen years ago)
Edgar Lee Masters' Spoon River Anthology.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 13 May 2009 20:23 (sixteen years ago)
collected creely is really good to throw open but I like a lot of what is listed
― cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 20:23 (sixteen years ago)
Also:
- That Emily Dickinson selection Final Harvest (a present from Mom when I was 13).- the M.L. Rosenthal-edited edition of Yeats' poems and plays.- Seamus Heaney's first collection
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 20:24 (sixteen years ago)
Re: Tony Harrison. I guess he moves between the 2 forms but there are more sonnets, lyrical and shorter poems in the Selected Poems than there are epics. More Greek too.
The first 30 Cantos or so are quite do-able without much exegesis. The later ones get much tougher, but this is a question of how you read a book as much as esoteric knowledge. They can be a jumping off point for exploration, but you can still quite easily groove on the whole thing's increasingly austere music. Pound is really a reading outdoors poet, for me.
― Dom P's Rusty Nuts (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 21:40 (sixteen years ago)
If you liked Actual Air, you might, and I hope you would, like Worshipful Company of Fletchers by James Tate (and more of his books)-- Tate, who I think was an actual inspiration to D. Berman. Also, The Naomi Poems by Bill Knott. Those two are bonifide American surrealist poets of the first order. You might also include Gregory Orr's Burning the Empty Nests. (Of course that's Deep Image, a different beast all together. Then you get into James Wright, and who knows what else... Bly, etc.) What about Tom Lux, Split Horizon? And Craig Raine, The Onion, Memory? And A Coney Island of the Mind? I'd group them all as possible poetic sperm doners to Berman -- who, I don't think even considers himself a poet anymore. More like a rehabbed rock star because of... realizing he's actually Jewish? Anyway. Actual Air, it's great. Pound? Not a good recommendation, esp. not the Cantos. Don't waste your time. Not Ashbery either. Whatever he is, his sense of humor, and of the absurd... is, if you liked Actual Air, not going to fill your... lungs?
― donald nitchie, Thursday, 14 May 2009 03:18 (sixteen years ago)
funny, I just took a prowl through the bookshelves for some more recommends and came up with james tate's the lost pilot. dude wrote the book in his early 20s, makes you want to snap yr pencils. since I have nothing better to do, here's a sample...
Rescue
For the first time the only thing you are likely to break
is everything becauseit is a dangerous
venture. Danger invitesrescue – I call it loving.
We've got a good thing going – I call it rescue.
Nicest thing ever to comebetween steel cobwebs, we hope
so. A few others should getaround to it, I can't understand
it. There is plenty of room,clean windows, we start our best
engines, a-rumm... everything isrelevant. I call it loving.
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 14 May 2009 04:00 (sixteen years ago)
donald nitchie i would like to point out the thread title question was in fact not 'i like the poetry of david berman: what should i read next' but 'what is your favorite poetry collection'. you have not answered this question.
that said, thank you for your recommendations: i will hopefully get around to them, except the ferlinghetti.
― thomp, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 19:29 (sixteen years ago)
Right you are, sorry. My favorites (ones I actually re-read) are: Horace's Odes, tran. David Ferry (also William Humphries did a good one). Larkin's Collected Poems (2003). Auden's selected. Recently, Ben Lerner's Angle of Yaw (21 Gun Salute to Ronald Reagan[!]), Carl Dennis's Ranking the Wishes. What Narcissism Means to Me, Tony Hoagland. Metroplolitan Tang by Linda Bamber. First Course in Turbulence by Dean Young. I like alot of what is listed above
― donald nitchie, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 14:00 (sixteen years ago)
perennial favorites:
bob kaufman - cranial guitar, selected poemslew welch - ring of bone, collected poems
probably my favorite poet:
philip lamantia - bed of sphinxes. I recommend any and all lamantia tho a lot of it is hard to find. or expensive when you do. sphinxes is still in print i think. the welch probably is too but i'm uncertain about the kaufman.
― sknybrg, Sunday, 24 May 2009 06:28 (sixteen years ago)
obvious but hey. it's my favorite/
http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/122946/2094022/2100281/040527_PhilipLarkin.jpg
― m coleman, Sunday, 24 May 2009 11:19 (sixteen years ago)
James Krusoe, Jungle Girl - I wish I had copies to give to all my friends, it's such a delight
― worm? lol (J0hn D.), Sunday, 24 May 2009 12:48 (sixteen years ago)
These are the Alps. What is there to say about them?They don't make sense. Fatal glaciers, crags cranks climb,jumbled boulder and weed, pasture and boulder, scree,et l'on entend, maybe, le refrain joyeux et leger.Who knows what the ice will have scraped on the rock it is smoothing?There they are, you will have to go a long way round if you want to avoid them.It takes some getting used to. These are the Alps,fools! Sit down and wait for them to crumble!
Basil Bunting, "On a Fly-leaf of Pound's Cantos"
― alimosina, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 02:32 (sixteen years ago)
Recent James Tate (the White Donkeys one), Frederick Seidel, Jack Gilbert.
― Eazy, Friday, 29 May 2009 19:06 (sixteen years ago)
When I was 20 I fell in love with Stephen Dobyns's Cemetery Nights, then lent it to a girlfriend who kept it when she gave me back all the other books she'd had. The book is out of print and commands steep price, but I found a $6 used copy over the weekend and am really glad to have it again. None of his other books quite match up to this one. Posted a poem of his toward the bottom of this thread.
― Eazy, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 23:02 (sixteen years ago)
I didn't even have to think about this one. It is easily:
http://a6.vox.com/6a00cd96fb2ae84cd500e398b80d560004-500pi
― Chaki Demus & Pliers (ENBB), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 23:11 (sixteen years ago)
That's a great Dobyns poem, Eazy. I missed that whole thread.
― Beth Parker, Friday, 5 June 2009 02:18 (sixteen years ago)
I love Cemetary Nights. Favorite poems include Tomatoes, How to Like It, Creeping Intelligence, and Pony Express. I remember that Dobyns was very close with Raymond Carver, and I always wondered if those poems were influenced by him: not prose poems, really, but short narratives, minimal in scale, that attempted to get to the heart, or the point, of a short poem story, in a page and half-- and in a lot of them he did. Very entertaining, and occasionally really moving.
(and I love that Ferlinghetti cover...)
― donald nitchie, Friday, 5 June 2009 02:52 (sixteen years ago)
Yes, the cover is great.
― ENBB, Friday, 5 June 2009 02:54 (sixteen years ago)
This is my favorite poem from CIotM:
Not like Dante Discovering a commedia Upon the slopes of heaven I would paint a different kind of Paradisoin which the people would be naked as they always are in scenes like that because it is supposed to be a painting in their soulsbut there would be no anxious angels telling them how heaven is the perfect picture of a monarchy and there would be no fires burning in the hellish holes belowin which I might have stepped nor any altars in the sky except fountains of imagination
― ENBB, Friday, 5 June 2009 03:10 (sixteen years ago)
Damn, the form didn't come out right. Oh well, it's still excellent.
― ENBB, Friday, 5 June 2009 03:11 (sixteen years ago)
thanks for reintroducing me to dobyns! I have his velocities, a selected poems collection I bought after picking it off a bookstore shelf and randomly opening it to a poem which was fantastic. once I started reading the book I didn't find anything near the quality of that one poem and never went back to him. but I checked out the cemetery nights poems in it tonight and they are great.
anyway, here's that poem that compelled me to buy the book in the first place...
Letter Beginning with the First Line of Your Letter
Here the weather remains the same. Constantsummer sun. When was the sky anything but blue?In the harbor park, boys on bikes plague loversand the pink-eyed dogs of the elderly. Across the water, freighters take on cargo.I stand on the shore, envying each destination. Because you are not here, I think of youeverywhere; wherever they are goingthey must be going to you. We were likefat people in old cartoons who couldbarely kiss for all their mortal baggage; like holiday travelers who have missed their trains,are stranded in a European station surrounded bywicker baskets, belted trunks. We had such baggage.It increased and became such a mountain that welost each other behind it, until our voicesgrew distant and we returned to writing letters.Whose baggage, whose mistakes, who cares now?Listen, I am thirty-six, I have lived inmany cities and within me it is raining. The deliberate ocean repeats and repeats. Empty lifeguard stands, paper cups andplastic spoons, the folded green cabanas--all mark the deserted beaches of the heart.Water drips from colored pennants, glistenson the black taxis on the esplanade. In the empty ballroom of a beach hotel, someoneis practicing the piano. In sitting rooms and parlors,guests turn the pages of their magazines, look atrain on windowpanes, look at watches, look at the closed door of a dining room from which they hearthe rattle of dishes and silver, of tables being set.Listen, from such a place I am writing you a letter.Again and again, I try to put down a few words.As day and sky dissolve in sheets of gray,the sea repeats your name to the desireless sand.
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, 5 June 2009 03:43 (sixteen years ago)
I wonder how much the cemetery nights poems were influenced by russell edson, whose prose poems all start with an absurd scenario that is followed to its logical extreme.
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, 5 June 2009 04:09 (sixteen years ago)
Dobyns also spent time (I think) in Latin America, and wrote some novels with magic-realism premises. What's neat about these poems is how they are completely in that tradition, but completely American at the same time.
My friend Leigh, who is now working at the New Yorker and is also one of the best writers I've personally known, had some good poems published this week.
― Eazy, Friday, 5 June 2009 20:38 (sixteen years ago)
yeah, I think his wife was brazillian, and he mentions living there in the author's note for velocities. unless I was misreading him, in the same note he implies that the local literature wasn't an influence on him, or maybe he was just being coy.
speaking of south america, another republic is the name of the anthology I was trying to remember upthread, edited by simic and strand
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, 5 June 2009 20:49 (sixteen years ago)
my father introduced me to dobyns. he was a fan of his saratoga murder mystery series and i read all those. then i read his crazy novel the wrestler's cruel study and then i bought his collected poems. my dad stole my copy of the poems and never gave it back. i seem to remember that he was always getting in trouble for doing inappropriate stuff whilst drunk as a professor up there. (upstate new york where my parents live.) but i could be remembering wrong, so don't sue.
― scott seward, Saturday, 6 June 2009 13:36 (fifteen years ago)
I love Saratoga Hexameter, where the sleuth has to infiltrate a writers' colony to catch a murderer, and actually has to write a poem to keep his cover. I won't spoil it by giving details, you all have to read it.
― Beth Parker, Sunday, 7 June 2009 00:50 (fifteen years ago)
Commotion
Tom asked, Are those sharks? and I looked.We were teetering warily along a narrow stripof planks laid in a long arc on top of the water.With each step the planks sunk a bit beneaththe surface but still seemed firm, vanishingin front and behind, spanning the bay. It wasalmost sunset after a day of unsettled weather.Ahead through a split in thick clouds the sunhung a few inches over the water, pouring forthits red and golden radiance. My feet were wetbut I felt calm as I scanned the horizon for sharks.Most nights my dreams are all work, a ditchI keep digging in my sleep, but this one cameas a gift, for far to the south I saw a commotionin the water—row after row of some creature,plunging ahead, rising and sinking, like horses,but not horses, with ears flapping behind themand their muzzles raised. The dayʼs last lightshone on their wet fur—brindle or tan, blackor spotted with white—hundreds, stretching offin the distance, a furious energy of forward motionas their paws broke the surface and they arcedthrough the white froth. They had nothing to dowith us, but would cross our path a short wayfarther on. Tom and I had paused in our carefulprogression. No, I said, theyʼre not sharks. They'reGreat Danes. Oh, said my friend, I was wondering.
For Thomas Lux
—Stephen Dobyns
― Beth Parker, Sunday, 7 June 2009 00:57 (fifteen years ago)
I'm fine with all this about Dobyns! My other favorite book of poems of his is Griffin, from 76, where he writes, in one section, simple short poems about the 7 deadly sins, along with ones about Grief, Doubt, Dancing... Here's part of Vanity:
I write this,you read this.
I also liked his novel A Boat Off the Coast, about a lobsterman smuggling pot; The Two Death's of Senora Puccini (set on the night of the 74 coup in Chili); and Boy in the Water, very creepy. And while his recent poetry haven't held up for me as much as Cemetary Nights, there's always some good poems. The Porcupine's Kisses is really weird, formally, goofy aphorisms with illustrations. It's kind of one of a kind; I was fascinated by it
And oh, yeah, Tom Lux! he's a world unto himself, and well worth checking out as well
― donald nitchie, Sunday, 7 June 2009 01:03 (fifteen years ago)
I forgot about Eating Naked! His book of short stories. That's great too.
i was disappointed by his suspense novel The Church of Dead Girls. the best thing about it was the title, and it really read like a bid for movie-dom.
yeah, eating naked is essential. and it's great to have his short stuff in one place. some of the stories reminded me of my 80's hero Scott Bradfield. i was actually gonna start a Scott Bradfield thread. but i need to re-read his stuff. it's been so long since i've read some of it.
― scott seward, Sunday, 7 June 2009 01:30 (fifteen years ago)
That one EIII posted is so great. By the time I got to the rattling dishes I was verklempt.
― Beth Parker, Sunday, 7 June 2009 15:08 (fifteen years ago)
my selected works 1995-2008 should totally be ur fave poetry collection:
http://www.twentythreebooks.com/images/atlpressrelease.pdf
(sorry to spam folks, i do post on ILX for other reasons, though, and i do love to read -'d probably nominate an auden collection i have somewhere in my stacks but can't remember the title now)
― Beatrix Kiddo, Friday, 12 June 2009 17:33 (fifteen years ago)
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― schlump, Friday, 31 December 2010 12:29 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.ucpress.edu/img/covers/110/1485.110.jpg
http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1266817901m/1497422.jpg
― President Keyes, Friday, 7 January 2011 00:16 (fourteen years ago)
In Sepia
Often you walked at night, house lights madeNets of their lawns, your shadowBriefly over them. You had been talking aboutDeath, over & over. OftenYou felt dishonest, though certainly some figureMoved in the dark yards, a parallelCircumstance, keeping pace. By Death, you meantA change of character: He isA step ahead, interlocutor, by whose whisperThe future parts like water,
Allowing entrance. That was a way of facing it& circumventing it: DeathWas the person into whom you stepped. Life, then,Was a series of static events;As: here the child, in sepia, climbs the front stepsDressed for winter. Even the snowIs brown, &, no, he will never enter that houseBecause each passage, as intoA new life, requires his forgetfulness. Often youWould explore these photographs,
These memories, in sepia, of another life.Their use was tragic,Evoking a circumstance, the particular fragmentsOf an always shattered past.Death was process then, a release of nostalgiaLeaving you free to change.Perhaps you were wrong; but walking at nightEach house got personal. EachHad a father. He was reading a story so hopeless,So starless, we all belonged.
--Jon Anderson
― President Keyes, Friday, 7 January 2011 00:22 (fourteen years ago)
Lunch PoemsMichael Robartes & the Dancer / The TowerStation IslandMeeting The BritishThe Indoor Park
― the pinefox, Friday, 7 January 2011 12:20 (fourteen years ago)