Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close

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Haven't read this yet, but wow, what a great and scathing review by Walter Kirn in NYTimes Book Review today.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/03/books/review/0403cover-kirn.html
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The Times is far from alone in its disdain, and the NYPost reports -- and Foer admits -- that he actually e-mailed his friends asking them to buy the book ASAP, since disappointing reviews were threatening to drive it from the bestseller list.

I didn't love Everything is Illuminated, and felt rather annoyed by all the hype at the time. But now I wonder (even as part of me cheers the reviews), is Foer being crucified for the collective sins of post-postmodern high-middlebrow kitsch? The third-to-last paragraph in Kirn's review seemed so right on that I wanted to stand up and applaud, and my desire to applaud came from a feeling that has been brewing in me for at least several years, and percolates further every time I pick up McSweeney's or see the latest "inventive new film."

Foer, whom I vaguely knew growing up, is, as far as I can remember, a genuinely nice guy, very priveleged, and perhaps a little sheltered. From interviews and profiles I sense that he is sensitive almost to a fault (though this near-fault is one of his literary trademarks). His first novel strikes me as auspicious but overambitious. And now, propelled by the one-time hype of the same media that now seems increasingly bent on taking him down a few notches, he's written an even more ambitious but, from the sound of it, no more fully realized novel, in which the narrator is a precocious child; hopefully Foer will eventually outgrow that persona.

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 2 April 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)

's crap!

Remy Ulysses Fitzgerald (x Jeremy), Saturday, 2 April 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

Correction -- it was the New York Daily News, not the Post, that reported Foer's e-mailing his friends to ask them to buy copies now rather than later.

Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 3 April 2005 00:18 (twenty years ago)

Might I add that the title is gramatically rather weak? First of all, "loud" and "close" don't seem to be parallel adjectives. It's like saying something is "red and familiar." Second, what exactly does "incredibly close" mean? "I can't believe how *close* that is!

Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 3 April 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

I haven't read anything he's written, but I accidentally attended a talk and Q&A he gave after "Everything Is Illuminated." He was smart and amiable, seemed to be just settling into the idea of himself as a capital-A Author. Nothing he said really made me want to read his book, though. I mean, I didn't get the sense he was going to tell me anything about the world I hadn't already figured out for myself, since I've already been 25 or 26 or however old he is. This new book sounds really annoying. The Kirn review is great.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 3 April 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

Geehhhhh sometimes I'm really glad I was such a loser in my twenties... if I were this guy ten years from now and had to look back at this book I think I'd die of embarrassment.

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Monday, 4 April 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)

The thing is, I am 25 (he's 28, btw), but I don't think he has much to tell me either.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 4 April 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)

This is snarky and lame of me, but I couldn't resist posting it because it's pretty funny

Deborah Solomon's fawning profile of Foer:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/27/magazine/27FOER.html?ex=1267246800&en=adbd05d8d5964ba3&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland

Excerpts from NYObserver's spoof of the piece:

http://www.gawker.com/news/media/new-york-observer/letters-from-a-young-writer-foer-and-solomon-fanfic-034624.php

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 4 April 2005 03:00 (twenty years ago)

OMG, so many snark-worthy passages from the Solomon article (not even taking into account her solemn, portentous style):

"'Tragedy primes one for humor,' Foer said. 'And humor primes one for tragedy. They amplify each other. As a writer, I am trying to express those things that are most scary to me, because I am alone with them. Why do I write? It's not that I want people to think I am smart, or even that I am a good writer. I write because I want to end my loneliness.'"

And: "Foer's modesty, you might assume, is intended to mask the breadth of his ambition, lest he appear too boastful or striving. But...I came to view his reticence as rooted more in fear than in pride. As he wrote in an e-mail message one evening: 'Thinking on the ride back from D.C.: Time heals all wounds. But what if time is the wound?'"

Or how about: "When we sat down, [Foer] handed me a gift and admonished me to open it with the utmost care and delicacy. Inside, sandwiched between two stiff pieces of gray cardboard, I found a surprise -- a sheet of typing paper, completely blank and yellowed at the edges. He quickly explained that it had been culled from the desk of the long-dead Isaac Bashevis Singer and was one in a sizable collection of blank papers he has amassed from his fellow writers and artists over the years."

Does it get any twee-er than this?

Gail S, Monday, 4 April 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

"'Tragedy primes one for humor,' Foer said. 'And humor primes one for tragedy.
Was this guy watching Crimes and Misdemeanors the night before?

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 4 April 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

Updike's New Yorker review seemed generally favorable, although not without a strong "he's got a lot of growing up to do" caveat.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 4 April 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

Umm, the title seems to make pretty perfect sense in the context of large planes colliding with large buildings in a densely-populated setting; there’s not even anything grammatically non-standard about it.

Anyway what got me about that NYTBR review was that it was so non-scathing, or at least not-openly scathing; the tone was kind of like a guy holding up something really disgusting (say, a turd) and just casually pointing out that, you know, here’s a lumpy bit, and this appears to be some corn, and there is an odor involved, etc. It wasn’t even the discussion of current middlebrow “postmodern” tics that made the thing seem bad—it was one (presumably carefully-selected) paragraph quotation, offering pretty good evidence that Foer wasn’t exactly surpassing any expectations you’d have of the concept, and in fact seemed a little rote and subpar about it. I seriously hope I can one day write a review this restrained and convincing, just indicating the features of the thing and yet somehow leading readers to an obvious conclusion about it.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 4 April 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

there’s not even anything grammatically non-standard about it

I agree it's not ungrammatical, though the use of two trite and meaningless intensifiers ("extremely" and "incredibly") in such close proximity does strike me as poor style.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 4 April 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

(I liked your explanation of why that review was successful, btw)

o. nate (onate), Monday, 4 April 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

Maybe he's being used as a sociology experiment... or a psychological lab rat?

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Monday, 4 April 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)

Anyway what got me about that NYTBR review was that it was so non-scathing, or at least not-openly scathing; the tone was kind of like a guy holding up something really disgusting (say, a turd) and just casually pointing out that, you know, here’s a lumpy bit, and this appears to be some corn, and there is an odor involved, etc. It wasn’t even the discussion of current middlebrow “postmodern” tics that made the thing seem bad—it was one (presumably carefully-selected) paragraph quotation, offering pretty good evidence that Foer wasn’t exactly surpassing any expectations you’d have of the concept, and in fact seemed a little rote and subpar about it. I seriously hope I can one day write a review this restrained and convincing, just indicating the features of the thing and yet somehow leading readers to an obvious conclusion about it.

That's pretty much OTM, except that towards the end I thought the review got pretty obviously sarcastic.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 00:39 (twenty years ago)

Dude dude it's a TITLE, not a line of poetry (though it's actually kinda nicely metrical): I can't imagine that it's not meant to read like something spoken, the obvious description that inevitably understates the magnitude of the thing.

nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 03:58 (twenty years ago)

In any case, the title annoys me for a reason I've failed to put my finger on. It's kind of like "And You Shall Know Our Velocity" -- it sounds like it was chosen because it sounds like a title -- in an irreverently non-title sort of way.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 04:25 (twenty years ago)

It's so EXTREME!

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 04:44 (twenty years ago)

Hmm I rather like the title though it won't induce me to read the book. I found Everything Is Illuminated dull & its reputation inexplicable. All the indications are that this one won't be as good.

frankiemachine, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 09:11 (twenty years ago)

Dude dude it's a TITLE, not a line of poetry

I know, but it still bugs me. I think Hurting's right - there's something McSweeneys-esque about it that rubs me the wrong way.

Anyway, the only thing I've read of Foer's at this point is the excerpt from Everything is Illuminated that ran in The New Yorker around the time that book came out, which was mildly entertaining, but not enough so that I felt curious to read the book.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

I read that in The New Yorker first as well. The problem is an excerpt-worth is about all one can take of that voice before it gets old.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

I think the problem here is largely hype. If, on the publication of Everything is Illuminated, he had just been labeled a "promising young novelist," "one to watch" etc. (which is essentially the status he deserved, I think), instead of being annointed as the greatest 25-year-old ever to re-invent the wheel, I think he'd have produced a more subdued, perhaps better second novel, and he'd be left with further room to grow for years to come. Instead we have this insane wunderkind-worshiping publishing culture pressing for instant exuberance.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

Will no-one on here defend Everything Is Illuminated? Because I will, if somebody has to - it's gentle, funny, unpretentiously wise, maybe?

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

Honestly, I don't remember that much about it, good or bad.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

EII wasn't bad, but the magical realism stuff didn't really work, and 'unpretentious' is about the last word I'd choose to describe it.

Ray (Ray), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

E I I is very funny (the modern day sections at least) but rather confused. Ray is right about the "unpretentious" thing. i think it's a very good first novel though.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

wow

http://www.nypress.com/18/15/news&columns/harrysiegel.cfm

megalothymia, Thursday, 14 April 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

Literary works are made out of other literary works, not out of any material external to the literary system itself. [. . .] Literature is not a way of knowing reality but a kind of collective utopian dreaming which has gone on throughout history, an expression of those fundamental human desires which have given rise to civilization itself, but which are never fully satisfied there. It is not to be seen as the self-expression of individual authors, who are no more than functions of this universal system: it springs from the collective subject of the human race itself, which is how it comes to embody 'archetypes' or figures of universal significance.

Northrop Eagleton, Thursday, 14 April 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

xpost I almost felt bad for him after I read that one. I honestly do believe he is a talented writer, who just needed some time to develop and maybe a little "Life Experience".

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 15 April 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

Dude! His wife, Nicole Krauss, is HOTT.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 15 April 2005 02:19 (twenty years ago)

That NY Press article was typical NYP overkill. Those guys use words like "loathsome" and "vile" so much that they lose all meaning. Kirn uses a lot less hyperbole and is much more effective.

(haha, do a Google search on "loathsome" and see what comes up...)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 15 April 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

And of course the NYPress thing also managed to work in the requisite snipe at The Voice (which reminds me a bit of Benzino taking shots at Eminem).

Did anyone read the Solomon profile? It's funny, I finally read it to the end, and it mentions this incident ("the explosion") that I now remember from when I was a little kid (I'm 2 or 3 years younger than him). The thing is, he describes it as the formative event in his life, which I'm not doubting, but the other kid, his friend, was MUCH more affected by it. The other kid was a friend's older brother, and he went through years of physical therapy after this explosion, had terrible scars all over his skin, etc.

Probably no one cares, but it was strange to have a childhood memory brought back by a magazine profile of a now famous acquaintance.

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 16 April 2005 03:01 (twenty years ago)


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