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have you ever gotten to read finnegans wake in a group?

Josh (Josh), Monday, 9 May 2005 06:19 (twenty years ago)

sadly i have not. i think i would have to form such a group in order to read with it.

Josh (Josh), Monday, 9 May 2005 06:21 (twenty years ago)

Why. The. Hell.

Would you want to do that?

SRH (Skrik), Monday, 9 May 2005 07:47 (twenty years ago)

because i like reading the wake and it would clearly help to talk to people about it.

note that i didn't say 'have you ever gotten to read finnegans wake in a group and SRH will you please be in such a group with me'.

Josh (Josh), Monday, 9 May 2005 07:53 (twenty years ago)

I haven't done it, and while there are people I would be interested in reading it with, the ongoing groups that I've known about have seemed a little... well, socially awkward, or something. It's not something I can imagine doing every week.

Be ye warned that close readings of the Wake can get a little out of hand...

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 9 May 2005 09:14 (twenty years ago)

i didn't say 'have you ever gotten to read finnegans wake in a group and SRH will you please be in such a group with me'.

Thank Christ for that!

SRH (Skrik), Monday, 9 May 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

yeah ok we get it you're a dick and you don't like finnegans wake, thanks

Josh (Josh), Monday, 9 May 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

i thought piuma's link was going to be to a news story about the group i saw mentioned on tv once that had been extant for several decades. (they were about halfway through)

i'd quite like to be in such a group but get the feeling i would need to clear the decks regarding everything else i might ever like to read in my lifetime first, a little.

tom west (thomp), Monday, 9 May 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

When I was reading the Wake, it was like a drug, completely changing my interaction with the world. And when I finally put it down, I had -- not a distaste for it, but I found I didn't need it anymore. I could go through it and appreciate it in parts, but I didn't feel a need to plunge into it again.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 03:58 (twenty years ago)

'i thought piuma's link was going to be to a news story about the group i saw mentioned on tv once that had been extant for several decades. (they were about halfway through)'

are you talking abt that series on the novel scrrened on C4? as i recall that group were together for a few years and were only 60-odd pages in or something...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

I was in a Ulysses reading group once. Worked out pretty well.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

Josh has proclaimed me a dick, and will never invite me to read the most pretentious piece of crap ever produced in the name of "high art" in his reading group.

I am literally devastated!

SRH (Skrik), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

I regret not taking a Joyce class in college, because I doubt if I have the motivation to do a decent reading of FW on my own.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

I did this in college with J0hn B1sh0p (who wrote "Joyce's Book of the Dark" about Vico's influence on the book) and a bunch of non-academics. It was alright but god there were some people who were really obsessed, who had their own bound versions of the book with their own printed note pages in there, and I didn't care what they thought. I didn't last long there. Also, I always went drunk.

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

not just on vico's influence - more generally on the wake as a book 'about' (?) dreams, nighttime. it's got a bunch (for this kind of book) of diagrams!

kyle, that kind of thing might be nice because adventageous, but i reckon i would prefer a group of friends.

Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

josh how much of the secondary lit on it have you read exactly?

julio: yeah i think it got exagerrated in my brain somewhere yes.

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

SRH, you are a dick if you go around getting huffy when people give you friendly invitations, even if they're to things you're disinterested in.

If you think FW is the most pretentious piece of crap ever produced in the name of "high art" then you really need to get out of the house more. FW, for all its excesses, is relatively humble.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

I can't wait.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

little, tom. but i happen to have picked up that bishop book at the library the other day so it was fresh in my mind (and in fact next to my computer).

the secondary lit is fascinating from a critical / theoretical perspective because the book is so singular. it brings out what people claim to be their most fundamental convictions about what counts as art, how to read, the status of the critic, and so on, and then (i think) often calls for creative justification since the more usual supports of critical (or 'lay' reader) consensus or 'literary' evidence are so obviously problematic. sometimes this is worthwhile in itself, but even when it amounts to people throwing their hands up, the way they throw their hands up is interesting.

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 04:22 (twenty years ago)

eleven months pass...
would anyone like to read this over the summer?

i am in two minds between trying this again or burying myself in the beckett centenary edition.

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

I will read it with you, tom, if you tell me when you want to start reading it.

This might actually get me beyond page 10, like the last two attempts have resulted in.

mj (robert blake), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

OH DEAR.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 27 April 2006 02:08 (nineteen years ago)

This summer = just when I should be finishing my "One canto per day" reading of Dante. Well, assuming summer starts in July.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 27 April 2006 02:08 (nineteen years ago)

this summer = when i for real start my DISSERTATION RESEARCH.

Josh (Josh), Thursday, 27 April 2006 03:09 (nineteen years ago)

"..but there have been other similarly subtle invitations to the decoding expert, ranging from the mosy solemn symbolic patternings to the playfulness of Joyce's Noel greeting, "End a muddy crushness," or the cry of his polygamist from his "bethel of Solyman's," "Brimgem young, bringem young, bringem young!"*

(...)

*Finnegans Wake (Compass Books ed., 1959), pp. 534, 542. The novel was first published in 1939, though fragments of Work in Progress appeared throughout the preceding decade. If I dropped the point here I could no doubt leave some readers convinced that I have read Finnegans Wake. But I must confess that I have not; I do read in it, from time to time, with great delight until boredom sets in. Will someone, by the way, someone who has read this unreadable work, tell me whether that first "m" in the first "brimgem" is a typographical error? You don't know? Or care? We are in trouble, you and I."

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 27 April 2006 03:42 (nineteen years ago)

anyone read anthony burgess's "a shorter finnegans wake"? it's out of print but i always see like a million copies in used bookstores.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 27 April 2006 06:36 (nineteen years ago)

The aforementioned ongoing reading group was profiled just the other day: http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2006/04/25/a_novel_approach/
but registration is required to view the article (it's free tho).
in short, they've been meeting off and on since '96, reading aloud, and getting through only a page or so per meeting. of the 628 pages, they've covered 251. they're mostly middle aged white guys (go figger). and they don't really care how long it takes, since it took Joyce 17 years to write the thing anyway.

Docpacey (docpacey), Thursday, 27 April 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

[spam that will make tom say "wank"]

spam, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 07:07 (nineteen years ago)

wank.

so, reading group! first i need to do an essay on ulysses. towards the end of may, beginning of june, when i get back from college, that might be best. for me.

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 10:32 (nineteen years ago)

(Reg'd users only.)

The thing is, we can't read it aloud to each other so easily...

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

You could all get Skype and headsets. Up to 5 people at a time can conference with it.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

towards the end of may, beginning of june

These dates sound good to me. I will be in Italy for six weeks starting around that time, so it might be difficult for me to talk over Skype or some such, but it would certainly give me something to read while I am there!

Maybe I can read it while wading in the Fontana di Trevi...with an Anita Ekberg photo reproduction or something.

mj (robert blake), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
bump?

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk!

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

For some reason that reminds me of a Ray Bradbury story.

Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 01:43 (nineteen years ago)


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