This is the thread where we point out goodies we find in *The Complete New Yorker*

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I figured this was a better place than ILE to start this one. I think this might be my first ILBooks post ever, and certainly my first thread. Hi everyone.

I just took the shrinkwrap off The Complete New Yorker 8DVD set, and I'd like this to be a place where we point out especially interesting/noteworthy/entertaining/cool pieces we find within--the thing's so voluminous that some kind of peer guide seems appropriate. Obviously some of this stuff has been anthologized to death, so I'd like to avoid the more overrepresented corners of the TNY canon, though I won't stop anyone who wants to point out interesting stuff about Liebling or Kael or whoever. (Those are my candidates, not yours, obv.) Since I just took off the shrinkwrap, I don't have anything to recommend yet, but maybe you do. If so, this is where to do it.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)

And just to pinpoint things a bit, I'd like to see recommendations of stuff that was hereteofore unknown to you prior to coming across it on one of the DVDs. Directions to the relevant piece, meaning which DVD it's on and the issue date/page number if you feel like it, are also massively cool.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)

Since this is the first time I've heard of this, can you tell us what it's like? Is it pdfs, text, images, layout, etc.?

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:40 (twenty years ago)

It's full reproductions of every page of every issue. It's monstrous and not a little daunting. The viewer took a few minutes to upload and I'm still picking my through it, actually. Not sure how it works entirely but hopefully that won't take much longer to figure out.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 05:00 (twenty years ago)

I suspect the awesomest things will be the ads from the first few decades! It seems like a woeful way to actually read a monstrous John McPhee article about plate tectonics, though. Is there a good search function? Does it include the ads?

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 06:43 (twenty years ago)

Book Description
EVERY PAGE OF EVERY ISSUE
ON 8 DVD-ROMS, WITH A COMPANION BOOK OF HIGHLIGHTS.

A cultural monument, a journalistic gold mine, an essential research tool, an amazing time machine.


What has the New Yorker said about Prohibition, Duke Ellington, the Second World War, Bette Davis, boxing, Winston Churchill, Citizen Kane, the invention of television, the Cold War, baseball, the lunar landing, Willem de Kooning, Madonna, the internet, and 9/11?

Eighty years of The New Yorker offers a detailed, entertaining history of the life of the city, the nation, and the world since 1925.

Every article, every cartoon, every illustration, every advertisement, exactly as it appeared on the printed page, in full color. Flip through full spreads of the magazine to browse headlines, art work, ads, and cartoons, or zoom in on a single page, for closer viewing. Print any pages or covers you choose, or bookmark pages with your own notes.

Our powerful search environment allows you to home in on the pieces you want to see. Our entire history is catalogued by date, contributor, department, and subject.

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 08:39 (twenty years ago)

it didn't take too long to figure out how it works. just move the pages down w/arrows or space bar, simple. search functions are fairly easy too, though I needed the website's tutorial to figure it out. first thing re-read: Bill Buford's Mario Batali profile from '02. hope to start dipping into the older and more obscure stuff tomorrow nite after work.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 09:55 (twenty years ago)

that is incredible. $63 on Amazon. wow!

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, this went to the top of my husband's birthday list this morning when I mentioned it at breakfast, immediately supplanting Henry James and this cool cassette-tape-to-mp3 thing I found on ThinkGeek.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

It's amazing it's so cheap. Don't you think they could charge lots more for this?

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

I was thinking it would be at least $200, so very pleasantly surprised.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

I've been reading the New Yorker pretty consistantly since 1975, and I think I've been waiting for this ever since. A few I hope not too obvious suggestions: Anything by Veronica Geng, Wolcott Gibbs, Berton Roueche (not sure I spelled that right, but it's the Annals of Medicine pieces), Liebling's Wayward Press articles (this is now, I believe, the only place where they're collected, the original went out of print years ago), Louis Mumford's articles on city planning, Robert Benchley's theater reviews, Philip Hamburger on architecture, Arlene Croce on Dance, Thurber on Tennis and Soap Operas, the hilarious promotional ads they ran in the early issues, most written by Herman Mankeiwicz, E.B. White's unsigned editorials in Notes and Comments, and the newsbreaks, my God, all those newsbreaks. And, of course, Janet Flanner (Genet), JOseph Mitchell, Elizabeth Drew, Kael, Updike's book reviews, and more and more and more. Oh, and look for William Shawn's only published story, about New York being destroyed by a meteor.

And I haven't even started on the fiction: Thurber, White, Updike, Salinger, O'Hara, Barthelme, Cheever, Pritchett, yada yada yada. And the complete books: most of McPhee, Hiroshima, Eichmann in Jerusalem, Silent Spring, In Cold Blood, Susan Sheehan's (is that the right name?) Is There No Place On Earth For Me? How could any one with any sense resist this?

I must ask, though, how are the reproductions? I thought the PDFs in the cartoon set were a little blurry. Maybe text is easier. Not that anything would stop me from wanting this.

Robert J Myers (moriarty), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

One more question: does the search engine cross reference for pseudonyms, or provide author info for unsigned pieces (such as Talk of the Town)? Thurber, for for instance, wrote a whole series of articles as Jared L. Manly.

Can you tell I'm excited about this?

Robert J Myers (moriarty), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

So, if I get you this, can we pitch all those back issues?

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

Depends where it ends. My back issues only go back about five years.

Robert J Myers (moriarty), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

February 1925 to February 2005. I wonder if they'll do yearly updates or something.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

First thoughts:

(1) Janet Flanner in Paris during the occupation, where it takes a second to tell when she's seriously bitching about not being able to get good luxury items in the hotel or whether there's something more subtle going on

(2) Hersey's "Hiroshima," if you haven't read it

(3) Joan Didion

(4) Robert Benchley's 1930s "Wayward Press" columns, under the name "Guy Fawkes," which I've been curious about but have never actually seen (not to mention plenty of proper 30s Benchley stuff, though I think he mostly wrote about drama)

(5) Would be curious to see what was written about films through the forties and fifties, and how they were addressed

(6) Edmund Wilson from the forties forward, though I think this kind of evades the best Wilson period (it was the New Republic where he was running first reviews of Joyce and Hemingway and such)


(7) Loads of Donald Barthelme stories, some of which I don't suppose have been assembled elsewhere

(8) so much!

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

Who wants to read it on-screen, though?

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

I view DVDs on my XBox 9000, it has a built-in printer.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

the scans aren't especially razor-clear. it's definitely an archive, not a redefinition, and reading onscreen isn't much fun, no. it won't load on my work computer, either, though that might just be a block I can ask the IT guy to override.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

complete mad magazine -vs- complete new yorker hmmm, it's a toss-up.


matos, are you gonna print stuff out to read? that's what i would do.

oh, and: "Hi everyone."

Hi! i hope you stop by every once in a while.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

I don't think the movie coverage was particularly good until Kael and Penelope Gilliat arrived in the late sixties. Brendan Gill was doing reviews in the late fifties and early sixties, and he was horrible. I don't recall who did it before that. Wolcott Gibbs, maybe.

I'd forgotten about Wilson's book reviews, even though I have a collection of them. There's a couple of famous ones where he trashes mysteries ("Who Cares Who Killed Roger Ackroyd?") and H.P. Lovecraft.

Oh, and S.J. Perelman. He hasn't been mentioned yet.

Robert J Myers (moriarty), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)

I'm aiming to print stuff out Scott, yes. too bad my work computer's not cooperating!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

I've read about 2/3 of Ellen Willis's pieces for them (the music ones; haven't dived into the '69 thing on abortion rights and probably won't) chronologically. damn she was good. (still is, on politics et al, but she hasn't really written about music in eons, save a Salon thing on "Love and Theft".) of special note so far, her Aug. 17, 1968 piece on the Newport Folk Festival, a really good analysis of how the rock revolution usurped the folk world. best line:

As for the evening’s star attraction, Richie Havens, he did his classic, you-know-the-words hummed version of “A Little Help from My Friends,” mangled a couple of Dylan songs, treated us to the ultimate in folk art--the guitar-strum solo--and got a standing ovation.

her Sept. 9, 1969 piece on Woodstock is probably the contemporary thing I've read on that overwritten-about topic. she's extremely tough on the promoters and on how the media covered it as a love-in rather than a disaster just barely avoided.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 23 September 2005 05:07 (twenty years ago)

also, this one's for Scott: she disparages Grand Funk and concludes, "I'll keep playing my Joy of Cooking records." (she says a couple other bands too but that was the highlight.)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 23 September 2005 05:08 (twenty years ago)

god, her and xgau and their damn joy of cooking albums!!! i wonder if they are both STILL playing them?

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 23 September 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

haha I doubt he is (though he did give an early-'90s best-of an A minus). maybe she is, I have no idea.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 23 September 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

This just jumped to the top of my wish list. Matos, on the packaging, does it say anything about Macintosh compatibility?

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:59 (twenty years ago)

it works on macs and pcs. i have a mac.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Saturday, 24 September 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)

I remember reading Ellen Willis on a Who concert around the time of Who's Next (when I was 13) bemoaning the "teenage wasteland" she perceived in the audience. Love to reread this now.

SJ Perelman and John O'Hara would top my searchlist, maybe some profiles by Kenneth Tynan too, he did a (recetnly revived) Johnny Carson feature in the 70s that was pretty amazing.

However I've been undrewhelmed by reading the sainted Joseph Mitchell and AJ Leibling in anthologies, maybe they make more sense in context? Similiarly my parents would always shove those epic John McPhee articles under my nose in the late 70s/early 80s, reading him now on computer screen seems like a guaranteed headache.

Still, this sounds like a real treaure trove, happy hunting and keep posting yr discoveries.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 24 September 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

the Tynan Carson thing is in the Life Stories (I think) NY'er book a few years back, it's completely amazing. I really like the Liebling I've read and I think that's gonna be my next project with this set.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Saturday, 24 September 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)

So RJM's birthday copy showed up today from Amazon. I debated not giving it to him until Friday (the official day), then decided that too cruel. It will be months before he surfaces, I'm sure. How many reams of paper will it take to print out over 4000 issues?

He's printed two profiles of Bernarr Macfadden already, one of my favorite American eccentrics.

Jaq (Jaq), Saturday, 24 September 2005 23:11 (twenty years ago)

"Bernarr"? Was he a pirate?

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 24 September 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)

Arrrrr! Right, matey - he's the Physical Culture Pirate, and don't you forget it!

Jaq (Jaq), Saturday, 24 September 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

in the middle of this three-part Duke Ellington profile from '44. I can't even count how many quotes have entered the Ellingtonia lexicon as a result of this one piece. it's amazing.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 08:31 (twenty years ago)

who was the author matos, just to bookmark for future reference

I think I'll buy this at the end of the week

are you laregly printing it out and reading it, m, or just reading off the screen?

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 08:52 (twenty years ago)

Well it was a very long piece, Matos. Throw enough words at a subject and some are bound to stick.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

I know, Chris. It's a tribute to the reporting that so much came from this one (three) piece(s), though, for sure.

Reading it onscreen. Work computer can't read DVDs.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

Ellington author: Richard O. Boyer

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

We just got this. I have the distinct impression I may get seriously lost in it. Apart from the obvious stuff like Hersey, I'm really looking forward to old stuff like Wolcott's 'Shouts and Murmurs'. Last night I read some Benchley to our cat Benchley. He seemed unimpressed.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

I have a compatibility question. I can't tell from descriptions whether this is simply 8 DVDs that you plop in and search by DVD menu, or if there is some sort of applet that you need to install in order to search (I'm guessing it's the latter).

I run linux, and so exe and app files don't work (or take a lot of work to configure).

gratznic (gratznic), Friday, 7 October 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

There is an exe file. You need to install the index and search system in order to view anything.

moriarty (moriarty), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

It speaks volumes about our house that the first thing we searched for, even before Benchley and the Peter Arno cartoons, was Paul Rudnick's 'The Love that Dare not Say, Eh-oh' piece in Talk of the Town.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 7 October 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
Playing with this for the first time today. A tad overwhelming! I'm mostly trying to find articles that I've read while I've been a subscriber (the last 8 years) and remember vividly.

The search is kind of a pain in the ass, though. I didn't realize it doesn't search the full text (I guess it searches the abstracts for keywords?). So for instance, I'm trying to find this article that was about a guy's "strategy" in reading a daily newspaper (which stories to avoid, etc). It was a good article and I want to read it again. But I don't know the author. But I do know it didn't appear in certain sections ("Cartoons" obviously), and that certain words were in it, and that it was published in the last 8 years. It doesn't seem I can search that way, though.

Anyway my top pick for those who have this is Calvin Trillin's article about the eccentric restuarant Shopsin's in the 4/15/02 issue. One of the greatest things ever committed to print.

Keith C (lync0), Saturday, 31 December 2005 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

This one?

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Saturday, 31 December 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

That's the one. I didn't realize some of these were still online!

Keith C (lync0), Saturday, 31 December 2005 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

Ok I found the article I was looking for, it's in the 12/21/98 issue by George Trow. It's pretty good piece, a must read for people who love newspapers.

Other things I haven't re-read yet, but I remember as being very good and I look forward to reading them again:

* Profile of junk collector Alex Shear in the 7/19/99 issue

* Article about Fat Possum records by Jay McInerney in the 2/4/02 issue (was in one of the Da Capo books too)...probably still online

* Tad Friend's article about suicide & the Golden Gate bridge in the 10/13/03 issue

* Short story by Tim O'Brien in the 3/8/99 issue

Keith C (lync0), Saturday, 31 December 2005 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

The McInerney is indeed in a DaCapo volume that I have, but I've never read it--will try to check it out. Thanks for the other recommendations! I love that Trillin piece, it is indeed amazing.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Sunday, 1 January 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

I was hoping to have gotten this for x-mas. :(

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 08:12 (nineteen years ago)

It's not too late! At least, that's what I keep thinking about the Complete Peanuts volumes I don't have yet.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 09:23 (nineteen years ago)

How to load The New Yorker set onto your hard-drive.

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Thursday, 12 January 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

The Tynan piece on Johnny Carson is still available online, though the Life Stories book is probably the best place to read it.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 12 January 2006 11:24 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

bump

any other suggestions?

randomrules, Sunday, 25 November 2007 23:57 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

bump.
have been reading these online; that daum article about diving into debt in new york; toobins on OJ. any others? is didion's stuff the essays collected in the white album, etc?

baby i know that you think i'm just a lion (schlump), Friday, 6 August 2010 09:57 (fifteen years ago)

i don't have this and i don't have an iPad, but they were made for each other, right?

LA river flood (lukas), Friday, 6 August 2010 21:55 (fifteen years ago)

six months pass...

now that u can just access all this w/ a subscription, there must be some like nyer archive fan sites or discussion pages that recommend things right?

it's more than a lil daunting but im positive theres a billion things in there that would blow my mind....was reading some george ws trow 2day, pretty great

johnny crunch, Saturday, 12 February 2011 05:14 (fourteen years ago)

yeah i agree! i dont take advantage of this enough... someone needs to help me out w/ some direction

just sayin, Saturday, 12 February 2011 11:30 (fourteen years ago)

one month passes...

someone needs to help me out w/ some direction

i keep meaning to read some joseph mitchell? maybe someone can read some of his profiles, and enthusiastically encourage me to get around to it.

your LiveJournal experience (schlump), Saturday, 26 March 2011 17:13 (fourteen years ago)

Peter Taylor's novella The Old Forest; Ted Conover on trucking through the AIDS belt.

James Woods, Hysterical Realism (Eazy), Saturday, 26 March 2011 23:21 (fourteen years ago)

i keep meaning to read some joseph mitchell?

Same here! I've got Up at the Old Hotel on order at the library

the most cuddlesome bug that ever was borned (James Morrison), Sunday, 27 March 2011 21:26 (fourteen years ago)

ha - recently i've been alternately forgetting to go find that at the library, or forbidding myself from going and picking it up and so adding another book to the pile. it would probably be a good one to dip in and out of, as iirc the profiles are around 40 pages long. sound really interesting.

who are some other nyer writers people like/rely on? even the big names. this thread threw up trillin and a few others, and the rolling new yorker thread is keen on a couple of the staff writers.

your LiveJournal experience (schlump), Sunday, 27 March 2011 22:22 (fourteen years ago)

Janet Malcolm, Ted Conover, William Finnegan.

James Woods, Hysterical Realism (Eazy), Monday, 28 March 2011 05:52 (fourteen years ago)

Same here! I've got Up at the Old Hotel on order at the library

The second piece on Joe Gould is seriously depressing. Mitchell never wrote anything after that.

alimosina, Monday, 28 March 2011 21:16 (fourteen years ago)

Was A J Liebling a Nyorker writer? He's pretty good

the most cuddlesome bug that ever was borned (James Morrison), Monday, 28 March 2011 23:03 (fourteen years ago)

Yes, he wrote for the New Yorker.

alimosina, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 19:34 (fourteen years ago)

I haven't looked in this in years, shame on me.

The Louvin Spoonful (WmC), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 19:37 (fourteen years ago)

Lawrence Weschler is a favorite. Susan Orlean is usually good.

Romeo Jones, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 21:44 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

just got to the description of this in barthleme's bio - lol

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1963/03/02/1963_03_02_029_TNY_CARDS_000271957

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 17:50 (thirteen years ago)

two years pass...

26 June 1995 is a good one to dip into -- fiction or journal pieces by:

Nicholson baker
Phil roth
martin Amis
joyce carol oates
Richard ford
ian McEwan
mark twain (!) - newly (at the time) discovered portion of huck finn

there was also an advertisement for ordering quinoa by mail - $14.95/lb!!

johnny crunch, Friday, 5 September 2014 16:53 (eleven years ago)


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