Your opinions on.... Ghostwritten!

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That is, the David Mitchell's novel of the same title.

I've finished reading it the other day and I found it much better than "Cloud Atlas" (whose clever-than-thou, split-in-halves narrative structure honestly got on my nerves...).

Still, I was wondering, what is the "meaning" of this novel? What is the author trying to say (if anything...)?

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xxx, Sunday, 9 October 2005 10:55 (twenty years ago)

i don't know what it means, it's been a few years since i read it.

but yes, it's a better book than "Cloud Atlas" mainly because the links between the sections seem less forced and more "accidental": like a little bonus in each that gradually makes you realise you are reading a novel and not "just" (sorry) a book of short stories. think of that recurring comet birthmark thing in CA, it seems both laboured and inconsequential. when it crops up you feel like it it's been shoehorned in and yet it doesn't seem to actually mean anything in terms of the book as a whole. added to that Mitchell actually seems to forget about it in the second half (as far as i can remember). Cloud Atlas just doesn't keep the plates spinning in the second half of the book and yet he seems to have gone to so much trouble to get them going in the first place.

also in Ghostwritten each story more or less seems to carry an equal weight in terms of the book's trajectory. CA frustrated me because (for example) one story is supposedly a movie and the story before (then after in the second half) is a fictional crime story whose whole point seems to have been as a minor player within that movie: a fictional "novel" within a fictional "film" within a larger fiction, it's a clever conceit but it just makes you feel like you have wasted your time reading it!

that all sounds pretty negative but actually i still feel that Cloud Atlas is a fairly good book.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 9 October 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

What is the author trying to say [...]?

He's trying to tell us he got someone else to write the damn thing.

SRH (Skrik), Sunday, 9 October 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

It would take me longer than I have right now to work up a real theory as to what it's about, but it has to do with history and the way events -- including events before we were born, or far away from us -- shape our lives even as we shape events. The idea that we're all to some extent carried by streams we're only vaguely aware of, that our lives are always ghostwritten to some extent. Etc.

I liked the book without loving it (some parts were terrific, others grated). I've heard mixed things on Cloud Atlas but I liked Ghostwritten enough to give it a shot.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 9 October 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

I thought it was a fantastic book. I like all of Mitchell's novels, but each one is worse than the one that preceded it (Ghostwritten > No. 9 Dream > Cloud Atlas).

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 10 October 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

It's been about 4 years since I read it, and sorry if I'm just repeating what everyone else has said, but what I remember best is how it reinforced the feeling I had that something existed beyond me as an individual, something pulling me along in life and connecting the various experiences I've had. It's about things that exist in the world beyond us, that are part of our lives without us even realizing, as if the world exists in the imagination of one man or one woman who is writing our lives for us. The stories are so loosely connected that you do almost assume them to be just short stories, but then little things seem to connect, and you're reminded that everything coexists in the same world together, and that everything exists because of these connections.

On a completely different note, I have to mention that the (US) cover looks like the cover of "Loveless" by My Bloody Valentine, which is the reason I picked the book up in the first place. In a way, it reminded me of that album: lots of layers and lyrics that you can't always work out, but come together to make a beautiful and haunting symphony, leaving you with this serene otherworldly feeling. Anyone else get that?

I kind of agree with n/a on the book order, but I still love David Mitchell and all he does. I know I ruin my opinions on his writing every time I say this, but I have the biggest crush on that man...

zan, Monday, 10 October 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

Oh I love all of them too! Cloud Atlas just isn't quite as genius as the other two.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 10 October 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

I liked 'Ghostwritten' a lot when I read it - there was a conceptual adventure and narrative liveliness to it that is still quite unusual to BritLit. But he lost me with 'No.9Dream', and I haven't bothered with him since... He seems overbearingly hung up on multiple layers of fictive reality - like a would-be magician who's never quite got over the novelty of pulling tablecloths out from beneath crockery.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

I stalled out in the middle of the book even though I was really enjoying it. No idea why.

I'll get back it soon, though (and then post on this thread).

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

Great Nipper image!

the pinefox, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
It's stunning!

the bellefox, Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, what kind of crack was I smoking back in October? I loved the book, but jiminy, what's all that about "the feeling I had that something existed beyond me as an individual"?

Glad you liked it too, the bellefox!

zan, Thursday, 8 December 2005 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

...but jiminy, what's all that about "the feeling I had that something existed beyond me as an individual"?

Oh, that's a shame! Those comments got me interested in the book.

Orange (Orange), Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

Orange: And you should be interested in it! It's a fantastic book! I can understand what I was trying to say, I just think it came out a bit more "new age" than I intended it. I tend to get a bit floaty when I talk about David Mitchell...

I'm glad someone got something out of what I said!

zan, Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

Ghostwritten > No. 9 Dream > Cloud Atlas

That seems to be a popular opinion around here. I wonder if it's mostly because that's the order in which most people read them? I read them in reverse order, and for me: No. 9 Dream >> Cloud Atlas >> Ghostwritten. Although, I admit I liked Cloud Atlas mainly for the Sloosha bit in the middle.

Cherish, Sunday, 11 December 2005 06:38 (nineteen years ago)

Good, then! I'll look into it.

Orange (Orange), Sunday, 11 December 2005 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Ghostwritten > No. 9 Dream > Cloud Atlas

No, sorry to destroy your theory, but I read them in the opposite order from this. CA first, then N9D, then GW.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 12 December 2005 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to guess that most Americans read CA first, because that was the first one that got a lot of attention here, AFAIK.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 12 December 2005 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

I read No. 9 Dream and then Cloud Atlas and I haven't gotten my hands on Ghostwritten yet. I think I liked CA more. I found No. 9 Dream compelling, but there was something that bothered me about the writing. So I couldn't put the book down, but I also wasn't entirely enjoying it. I found his control over distinct styles in Cloud Atlas refreshing, but the overall conceit was a bit much.

wmlynch (wlynch), Monday, 12 December 2005 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

I ended up really enjoying this book. I got the impression that Mitchell really cared about all of his characters and scenarios - the Clear Island chapter comes to mind, it was as beautiful as it was a setup to an unexpected sci-fi/apocalypse story.

I was a little thrown by the last little story that recasted a scene from the first story. Was he trying to say that the events of the book actually didn't happen/wouldn't have happened if the terrorist dude had done something different? Or was it just tacked on to provide some circularity and closure?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

The last chapter is also full of references to the others: a kind of retrospective (or indeed premonitory) gallery.

I am reminded now of the end of Donnie Darko, and indeed of the end (? - perhaps I mean, the beginning) of Time Bandits, working in a like way.

the bellefox, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

four years pass...

Skipping the above 'casue I'm not finished yet. I was super-skeptical at first and I thought nah this is kind of adolescent but now I am hooked. It is great! Hard not to just put aside all my responsibilities and keep reading

Hombre DelPueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina deL.A. del Río de Porciúncul (admrl), Saturday, 21 August 2010 00:47 (fifteen years ago)


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