Poetical anti-obscurity

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I was just wondering if there were any poem written in English more recently than "Do not go gentle into that goodnight..." that is so well known that a parody of it might be recognizable among more than a handful of readers.

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 06:08 (nineteen years ago)

some frost?

'howl'

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 06:14 (nineteen years ago)

"Do not go gentle" is from 1951. "Howl" is from 1957, so yes. Most of Frost's famousest stuff is from earlier, and I don't think "The Gift Outright" is famous enough to count.

Slyvia Plath's "Daddy" is pretty widely known, wasn't published until 1965 although clearly it was written before 1963, although I don't know exactly when.

Maya Angelou's "On the Pulse of Morning" had its day in the sun, and the N+7 of it that Clark Coolige and Larry Fagin wrote, "On the Pumice of Morons", is a classic.

The works of Theodor Geisel and, to a lesser extent, Shel Silverstein, are well known. "The Cat In The Hat" is from 1957; "Green Eggs and Ham", 1960.

Lew Welch wrote "Raid Kills Bugs Dead", easily his most famous poem, around 1966.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 07:10 (nineteen years ago)

Ted Hughes'first collection "The Hawk in the Rain" was published in 1957, Private eye magazine's "Poetry corner" regularly ran Hughes pisstakes which were instantly recognisable ("Carrion of death/Sodden fur bulging/Eyes/Old stoatie's / Rather had it"), thus putting the question into practice, though it was a parody more of style than specific poems.

Matt (Matt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 09:32 (nineteen years ago)

Mr. Strugnell

'This was Mr. Strugnell's room,' she'll say,
And look down at the lumpy, single bed.
'He stayed here up until he went away
And kept his bicycle out in that shed.

'He had a job at Norwood library--
He was a quiet sort who liked to read--
Dick Francis mostly, and some poetry--
He liked John Betjeman very much indeed

'But not Pam Ayres or even Patience Strong--
He'd change the subject if I mentioned them,
Or say "It's time for me to run along--
Your taste's too highbrow for me, Mrs. M."

'And up he'd go and listen to that jazz.
I don't mind telling you it was a bore--
Few things in this house have been tiresome as
The sound of his foot tapping on the floor.

'He didn't seem the sort for being free
With girls or going out and having fun.
He had a funny turn in 'sixty-three
And ran round shouting "Yippee! It's begun."

'I don't know what he meant but after that
He had a different look, much more relaxed.
Some nights he'd come in late, too tired to chat,
As if he had been somewhat overtaxed.

'And now he's gone. He said he found Tulse Hill
Too stimulating--wanted somewhere dull.
At last he's found a place that fits the bill--
Enjoying perfect boredom up in Hull.'

Patchouli Clark (noodle vague), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

Come friendly bombs, and fall on Jervis
Men were not made for such vile service
For crouching, sweaty, pale and nervous
Swarm over, Death!

Smash aisles that echo with the groans
Of those tortured by the dialling tones
And the stench from filthy microphones
Of others' breath.

And get the oik with bloated gut
So joyful in his empty rut
Who tells you that nice girl's a slut
And slaps your back.

Atomise the girl with orange face
Whose smile betrays no human trace
She never will escape this place
Unless attacked.

But spare those working here unwilling
We're too pathetic for the killing
We'll gather round, gladly a-thrilling
To watch the flames.

So come rain fire upon this gloom
Consign it to its natural doom
We'll hold our breath before the boom
And then exhale.

Patchouli Clark (noodle vague), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

They tuck you up, your Mum and Dad.
They read you Peter Rabbit, too.

Patchouli Clark (noodle vague), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

That last one is the closest thing to a parody of something I recognize, but I don't think it would be widely recognizable in the US.

Perhaps the easiest way to settle this is to see what the most recent poem referenced on the Simpsons is.

Creeley's "I Know a Man" occurred to me (with its "drive, he sd" line) but I doubt that is all that widely known.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

Stevie Smith from 1957:

Not Waving But Drowning

Nobody heard him, the dead man,
But still he lay moaning:
I was much farther out than you thought
And not waving but drowning.
Poor chap, he always loved larking
And now he's dead
It must have been too cold for him his heart gave way,
They said.
Oh, no no no, it was too cold always
(Still the dead one lay moaning)
I was much too far out all my life
And not waving but drowning.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

(whether it's good or not is another matter entirely).

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

We real cool. We
Left School. We

Lurk late. We
Strike straight. We

Sing sin. We
Thin gin. We

Jazz June. We
Die soon.

- Gwendolyn Brooks, 1960

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

At one point, Rod McKuen might have belonged in here.

I know that Brooks poem but I don't feel like it's widely known.

I don't know that thing jed posted at all.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

I was surprised to recognize the Larkin parody. That Brooks poem seems to be in every 8th/9th grade English book, but you may be right - people may recognize it when they read it, but wouldn't recognize a parody. People are more likely to recognize a parody of popular lyrics than they are a poem I think, even without the music to clue them in.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

(I have two books of McKuen I can bring myself to get rid of due to sentimental value. Oh, they are awful. "Moment to moment, each of us try to touch the cloud that holds back the sky...")

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

can = can't

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

'we real cool' was referenced in an episode of law and order as common ground between lenny and the lieutenant! but not parodied.

Josh (Josh), Thursday, 3 November 2005 00:44 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not convinced that Mr Strugnell is meant as a parody - if it is it's a very poor one. It's passably amusing as an only-read-once light-verse caricature of Larkin the man but if you compare it with the "original" (Mr Bleaney) it doesn't catch any of the real flavour of Larkin the poet. I'm minded to give Cope the benefit of the doubt and assume it isn't trying to, (although the rest of Making Cocoa for Kingsley Amis is full of parodies).

Matt refers to The Hawk In The Rain. Hughes's style in Crow is an even easier to parody, and I've seen some good examples. Not sure how well-known the Crow poems are these days but in their day the collection sold in large numbers, picking up a lot of counter-culture readers who wouldn't have read much serious poetry.

frankiemachine, Thursday, 3 November 2005 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

Last Simpsons poetry reference I remember = Pinsky. I don't think the public's quite ready for Basho banana-leaf satire, though.

This is a bit of an obvious thing to say, but I'd guess that the most recent well-known bit of poetry in America is probably attributed to "unknown" and arrived in your inbox circa 1997 at the tail of a much-forwarded email from your great-aunt.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 3 November 2005 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

They just mentioned Pinsky, rather than referencing a poem, though, right?

Speaking of Basho...

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 3 November 2005 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

no, chris, lisa actually heard pinsky read a poem on ? mentioning ? basho. in her 'lisa goes to college' episode.

i think they mentioned gravity's rainbow in that one too, as something the brainy college coeds were discussing. ?

Josh (Josh), Friday, 4 November 2005 05:20 (nineteen years ago)

Oh right!

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 4 November 2005 08:26 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
That cold plum thing

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

"Green Eggs and Ham", 1960

So far I'd say this one is the clear winner for universality of recognition and parody potential.

(The cold plum thing is Wm. Carlos Williams, from circa 1930s, therefore prior to "Do not go gentle...")

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

More than "Raid kills bugs dead"?

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

Hot dogs,
Armour hot dogs
What kind of kid likes Armour hot dogs?
Fat kids
Skinny kids
Kids who climb on rocks.
Tough kids
Sissy kids
Even kids with chicken pox
Love hot dogs
Armour hot dogs
The dogs kids love to bite!

(I'm not sure about the sissy kids—my memory may be deceiving me)

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

That onion poem!

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

I think that I shall never see
A poster as clever as Casuistry

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

(Kilmer died in 1918, so I don't think that poem qualifies.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

I don't really understand what the thread title has to do with the question though - I thought this was an Empson thread :(

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 12 January 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

"Are there any non-obscure poems since 1930?" would be another way of putting it.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 12 January 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

(Then I guess I have a lot of catching up to do- time to finally open one of those poetry threads!)

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Friday, 13 January 2006 00:06 (nineteen years ago)

i still make fun of the poem that maya angelou read at clinton's first inauguration. but mostly for the way that she said GOOD MORNING.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 13 January 2006 00:11 (nineteen years ago)

Making fun of Maya Angelou is a duty, I suspect.

Matt (Matt), Friday, 13 January 2006 00:46 (nineteen years ago)

four months pass...
1.)Is the Stevie Smith poem a parody then? I'm interested to know if that is where Austra;lian David Bridie's band got its name,"Not Drowning Waving"

2.)2006 parody of Banjo Paterson's poem "Clancy of the Overflow":

Howard of the Overflow
(author unknown to FC)

I had written him a letter,
which I had, for want of better
knowledge, sent to where I met him
at the wheat board, years ago.

He was chairman when I knew him,
so I sent the letter to him
Just on spec, to make the point that
"Howard doesn't want to know".

And an e-mail came directed,
not entirely unexpected
And I think the same was written
in some Middle Eastern bar).

Twas his CEO who wrote it,
and verbatim I will quote it:
Fluggey's gone to Baghdad,
and we don't know where he are.

But when he left Australia,
he was going to meet Alia,
A trucking mob in Jordan,
who were keen to grease the wheels.

For 10 percent commission,
they could swing Saddam's permission
To get our wheat accepted;
it's the mother of all deals.

But I guarantee, Prime Minister,
there's nothing at all sinister.
The chaps at DFAT told us
that the sums looked quite okay.

When you're selling wheat in billions,
what's a quick 300 millions?
If it keeps the Nationals happy,
it's a tiny price to pay.

Sitting here at Kirribilli,
I've been thinking, willy-nilly,
That it's somehow reminiscent
of the children overboard.

I can handle Rudd and Beazley,
as I always do, quite easily
By endlessly protesting
that there's nothing untoward.

I'll tell Bush next time I meet him,
at The White House when I greet him,
And I'm sure he'll understand
about the wheat board's quid pro quo.

He'll forgive this minor error
in the global war on terror
When I look him in the eye
and tell him Howard didn't know.
(The Internet, May 2006)

Frances Cincotta, Friday, 26 May 2006 07:27 (nineteen years ago)

Maya Angelou speaks out against breeding and buying caged birds.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 26 May 2006 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

Tags: animal rights bird pet celebrity maya angelou

Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 26 May 2006 08:45 (nineteen years ago)

That overflow poem seems like a parody of a parody of the Raven.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 26 May 2006 09:18 (nineteen years ago)

Although the Banjo Patterson parody was written in 2006, the poem it parodies is much older than circa 1950 - which still seems to be the cutoff point when poetry was obliterated from the public mind. Suspiciously, this is also around the time when television acquired a mass audience.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

How quickly you forget that that is when the godless Communists started to infiltrate our society at every level, too.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

[slaps forehead] What a stupid I am!

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

five months pass...
I saw Maya Angelou speak tonight. Superb.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 16 November 2006 07:11 (eighteen years ago)

i scream you scream we all scream for ice cream?

tom west (thomp), Friday, 17 November 2006 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

I cuss, you cuss, we all cuss for asparagus

Øystein (Øystein), Friday, 17 November 2006 14:26 (eighteen years ago)

The "I scream" rhyme goes w-a-a-a-y back before the 50's, tom.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 17 November 2006 18:22 (eighteen years ago)

Silliman has been going on recently about Howl as the only "iconic" poem of the last 50 years. FWIW.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 17 November 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago)

We Old Dudes
by Joan Murray

We old dudes. We
White shoes. We

Golf ball. We
Eat mall. We

Soak teeth. We
Palm Beach; We

Vote red. We
Soon dead.

bnw (bnw), Saturday, 18 November 2006 18:36 (eighteen years ago)

what IS the origin of that ice cream thing? i've never known

tom west (thomp), Saturday, 18 November 2006 22:20 (eighteen years ago)


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