c/d: 'pattern recognition'

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i bought this today, after reading freddy jameson's chapter of it in his new book on SF: anyway, it's really surprisingly good. (jameson praises it very snarkily, calling it the apotheosis of name-dropping as a style, or somesuch: in the same paragraph he manages to think "harajuku" is a brand name.) there's lots of academic buzzwords (well: "liminal", that sort of thing) in the text, which was a weird thing to note, considering why i'd just bought it.

it's to some degree both a lot 49 rewrite and a neuromancer rewrite; it's occasionally very funny. i keep fearing that it's going to turn into a tedious thriller sometime in the next dozen pages, as i read it. there's lots of stuff about message boards, which comes across remarkably unembarrassingly, for stuff about the internet in novels.

have forgotten what else i had to say about it. oh well. by william gibson, by the way.

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

i liked it.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 22 December 2005 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

the turning-into-a-tedious-thriller thing appears to be happening, a bit

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 22 December 2005 01:11 (nineteen years ago)

the turning-into-a-tedious-thriller thing
I will be adopting this useful formulation in the near future, assuming I ever read anything other than ILX again.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Thursday, 22 December 2005 03:30 (nineteen years ago)

p.269: someone mentions "Jamesonian nostalgia"!

also, worryingly in light of above concerns, the russian mob appear to be involved

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 22 December 2005 03:40 (nineteen years ago)

the turning-into-a-tedious-thriller thing:

I would stop reading now if I were you. I wanted so much like this one but I was really disappointed.

I would write more on why I think this book fails but I fear spoiling you reading experience.

ALSO, I think I recall in that Jameson essay he used Infinite Jest as a point of comparison, claiming something to the effect of literature moving beyond drugs as subjects matter, which I thought was crap.

Mikhail, Thursday, 22 December 2005 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

I read this a long time ago (as a pre-release galley, which didn't have different formatting for the e-mails and was missing a crucial page or two near the end), but I really liked it.

I might be misremembering, but I liked that it DIDN'T turn into too much of a thriller. Kind of like Idoru, where there may indeed be gunfights and laser katanas and shit going on, but it's all off-page because the perspective is that of a quiet professional-type on the sidelines.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 22 December 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

I also liked that, since we live in the future now, he can write about the present but still make it feel futuristic.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 22 December 2005 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i almost posted the infinite jest sentence on the thread for that, bcz it was missing the point to the nth degree

i finished this last night. the thriller biz makes it plenty readable, i guess. i did wonder to what extent gibson wanted to enforce "tarkovsky + bond" in it, i couldn't tell if that was meant to be any more relevant than e.g. the "Cayce Pollard Standard Time" tic

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 22 December 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

i want to know why mikhail thinks it fails. (i wanted him to actually do a bit more with the stuff relevant to cayce's job, rather than sort of mumbling "globalization you SEE" in the background of the russian mobster scifi bullshit) (okay i liked the russian mobster scifi bullshit too really tho)

his 90s books have "laser katanas"? good, not going to get around to those anytime soon then

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 22 December 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

I defy you to name any book that would not enriched by the
addition of laser katanas.

laserkatana#1fan, Friday, 23 December 2005 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

tom is at home (thomp), Friday, 23 December 2005 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...
tom west OTM on the turning-into-a-tedious-thriller-thing.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

how was my login not working but i posted that as 'thomp'? wheels within wheels.

p.s. thanx

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

Pattern Recognition is the Gibson version of Until The End Of The World with all that's both good and bad about Wenders.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 20 April 2006 23:25 (nineteen years ago)

To be honest, it's not so much a 'Neuromancer' rewrite as a 'Count Zero' rewrite - the female protagonist in search of the creator of mysterious, beuatiful works of art is the plot for both of them.

James Morrison (JRSM), Monday, 24 April 2006 01:39 (nineteen years ago)

It is very much like Count Zero, there are even identical scenes where the creepy rich guy tells our heroine that she can spend as much money as she likes as long as she doesn't buy a jet liner or space ship or whatever.

I was not a fan. The mysterious artwork sounds more like a perfume ad on TV starring Scarlett Johansen than something that people could obsess about for years (I suppose it is supposed to sound like a Chris Marker fillum or some such, but it is always hard for people to describe great works of art that they have completely made up - best to try and work around it somehow like Borges) and the whole schtick about Kaycee's branding powers is very annoying - like she wanks on for hours about her obscure japanese duffel coat and then has the cheek to mock other people for liking burberry or whatever (perhaps this is supposed to be irony but I don't think so, as William is relying on us going "hell yeah, Hilfigger is narsty and bland!" so we like Kaycee, and the evil PR girl is characterised solely as being a prada wearer (or something similar) ie it is only ok to wank on about brands if the nasty proles haven't heard of them. Also it is a bit rich asking us to hate a PR girl when Kaycee is a "coolhunter" - one of the most annoying and heinous professions ever devised.

I found it annoying and unrealistic that she meets that guy off the web message board and doesn't realise that he is straight and available - like that would happen. On boards like that you end up knowing a lot about your best net-friends personal lives, in my experience. Do more research pls Bill!

All these are really fairly minor irritations but they all add up and there is nothing particularly good about the book to counterbalance them (apart from the usual expensive hotel/travel porn). The final plot resolution about (SPOILER) Russian gangsters beautiful but mentally ill artist daughter just had me audibly scoffing at the lameness.

Mark C2 (Markco), Monday, 24 April 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

i dislike lots of the stuff mark does but for different reasons

her coat possesses a mythic power of anonymity, - her clothes aren't ever meant to be "cool" as such - jameson gets this rlly wrong in his piece - also jameson doesn't mention the film much? which is odd bcz he has a big spiel on made up works of art in one of his books, i thought

her falling for the internet dweeb is a little lot mary sueish i think; gibson's composition of the board didn't bug me that much

i imagine i'll reread gibson when i'm doing pop fiction next semester, look forward to another thread revive yay whee

tom west (thomp), Monday, 24 April 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)


So many better books could have been written with that title.

Docpacey (docpacey), Monday, 24 April 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

the jacket is anonymous looking but there is a lengthy section about how rare and exclusive it is/how hard to find/how it has its own fan club etc - the coat is totally reified/consumer fetishised etc

Mark C (Markco), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but i think gibson does a decent job of convincing us that this is for other purposes than "cool" - i dunno, i'm wary of dismissing fashion from the realm of things which is allowed to be uh meaningful? and kaycee's negotiating this trad-feminine realm in a sort of masculine way - it's the most interesting aspect of the novel - which i am not going to actually add any kind of "not saying much" to it -

her relegation to spectatorship and being rescued at the end annoys me on at least two levels.

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

ten months pass...
search for obama/hillary/mac ad creator makes me think of this book

cutty, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 21:38 (eighteen years ago)

four months pass...

Anyone read the new one yet?

Jordan, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 16:55 (eighteen years ago)

eight years pass...

http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-unsettling-mystery-of-the-creepiest-channel-on-youtube

MaresNest, Wednesday, 24 February 2016 12:03 (nine years ago)


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