― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 21:58 (nineteen years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 21:59 (nineteen years ago)
So, how are you going about reading those collected poems?
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 22:18 (nineteen years ago)
― Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 22:44 (nineteen years ago)
The whole thing at once?
I gave up on actually reading Morrissey and Marr by the time I got to the "Meat Is Murder" era and just skimmed to the end. I think I've recovered from the last semester and am ready to read something non-frivolous again. After I quickly go through Jean Smith's The Beginner's Guide to Zen Buddhism (because I'm thinking about going back to regular sitting practice), I'm going to tackle Wittgenstein's Philosophical Investigations (because I'm thinking about sitting in on a Wittgenstein seminar next semester; I was skim-reading secondary material preparatory to doing this before the holidays).
― Chris F. (servoret), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 00:11 (nineteen years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 00:28 (nineteen years ago)
yes, i am trying to read all of cerebus at once. although i'm trying to at least make a cup of tea between individual issues, which i think is where i went wrong the first time, making me not notice e.g. "hey that conversation was one whole issue and structured quite clevely", and these little micro pleasures in it are a larger part of the total pleasure to be gained from the thing, it having problems on the macro level that anyone familiar with even the idea of it knows about. (although i think there's a case to be made for the whole thing considering how the themes set up include 'masculine folly' and 'overweening ambition'.) i just finished church and state book one, the last half dozen issues of which are just remarkable. (although it does his annoying thing of hoping you'll remember a gag character from two years before - ) (which another thing i did my first attempt, read it out of order, really did not help with. i read the first half and bits of form and void and latter days, which means i have avoided the whole women-read-minds-guys spell - o, wait, i read guys)
i am reading empson's collected poems by opening it at random, but empson was one of those people smart enough not to write more than about eighty pages of poetry in his lifetime, to the eternal gratitude of uh of well me; - he did write about two hundred pages of notes to it, tho.
(i have some kind of fear of turning on that setting. what does it do if i have a thread with 51 new messages?)
― tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 01:38 (nineteen years ago)
― Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 01:45 (nineteen years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 02:15 (nineteen years ago)
It's bilingual. I don't have it (yet) though.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 02:19 (nineteen years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 03:25 (nineteen years ago)
I know I've fallen prey to that a bit myself. I found some random single issues from the "Church and State" storyline in a used bookstore last summer, and as I was paging through them I got a much greater aesthetic charge from the individual pages as page compositions than I had gotten from reading the collections. (I've not actually read all of Cerebus-- I started skimming pretty heavily once I got up to browsing the "Going Home" days, and I only actually own the series up to Women.) Yeah, I think in some weird metaphorical way the male/female symbology holds up, but the caricatures of the Cirinists gets to be a little too much almost immediately after they're introduced. Sim's some kind of brilliant, but, yeah, by its nature Cerebus is lumpy as all hell and eventually I get to the point where I'm tired of his bullshit takes on everything, so I don't know if I'll ever expand my Cerebus library to encompass Reads and beyond. Sounds you're in for a fun project though.
Do you have that new translation?
No, I've got it out from the school library so I have the 3rd edition instead. I wonder what Anscombe changed-- I was reading some of the secondary stuff Jaakko Hintikka's done, and he makes all sorts of remarks about the inaccuracy of Anscombe's translations. Some people seem to think that she really didn't understand Wittgenstein at all, which is problematic for me since she's the primary English translator of his stuff.
― Chris F. (servoret), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 09:39 (nineteen years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 10:27 (nineteen years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 10:56 (nineteen years ago)
It's a very readable interesting history, actually, but it seems hopelessly biased by the fact that, well, the West won -- so it becomes kind of circular, and it's all too easy to prove WHY the West won.
I also have a feeling that there's a flaw in the simplistic division of "Christendom" and "Islam," sort of implying that today's Arab states are nothing but outgrowths of the Ottoman Empire, and also that all European states, even the weakest ones, were successful by virtue of being part of Europe.
Did that make any sense?
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 16:26 (nineteen years ago)
trying to get to the end of "The Master and Margerita" after my initial enthusiasm died under the weight of slapstick. "A Supposedly Fun Thing To Do..." which i bought because of the recent DFWallace threads - i was surprised at how much i like his style and cleverness (!) so i picked up "Oblivion" with christmas book tokens as well. just about to start Knut hamsun's "Hunger" bought for me for christmas by my b/f (it's a key book for him). i'm also reading ILX waaaaaay too much.
― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 17:20 (nineteen years ago)
― Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 17:25 (nineteen years ago)
some of them may have been made with the benefit of the genetic-critical german edition that came out in 2001. david stern sez in his 2004 book on the investigations that no english version to date has included the motto, which i suppose means that none had included the motto up to the fourth, bilingual, edition (since it does). so, there's one difference.
the literary executors have chopped 'part ii' off the end of the latest german edition; i reckon eventually they'll bring the english editions into line with that decision? i'll hafta get another one then. woo!
― Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 22:43 (nineteen years ago)
― youn, Thursday, 29 December 2005 02:06 (nineteen years ago)
and I'm beginning to dip into the first volume of Naguib Mahfouz's Cairo Trilogy, Palace Walk which is lovely but a bit intimidating. Should I keep it up?
― remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 29 December 2005 03:05 (nineteen years ago)
I really enjoy Mahfouz's work - thought that Palace Walk was excellent, but kind of burned out by the final book (Sugar Street?).
Have you read any of his other works?
― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 29 December 2005 06:12 (nineteen years ago)
And to take me to the end of this hopelessly compromised four word December, I (like jed_) am reading "The Master And Margarita". I am enjoying it, but my enjoyment keeps threatening to turn into a raging kind of (literary) love, and never quite does. Or hasn't yet.
Recommendations for books entitled "The _____ of the ________" still gratefully received.
― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 29 December 2005 09:49 (nineteen years ago)
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 29 December 2005 10:57 (nineteen years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Thursday, 29 December 2005 11:14 (nineteen years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 29 December 2005 12:06 (nineteen years ago)
Too much punctutation, I'm still saying (note: '"You're An Animal, Viskovitz!"' has the speechmarks in the actual title, making it positively engorged with punctuation. This must be unacceptably decadent to civilsed folks like, er, us?).
― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 29 December 2005 12:20 (nineteen years ago)
Only Sebastian Barry to go after the Banville, although I may be tempted to give myself what I hope will be a treat by reading 20,000 Streets Under The Sky first.
― frankiemachine, Thursday, 29 December 2005 12:24 (nineteen years ago)
what the upshot of that was, tom, is, read whatever version you can find.
― Josh (Josh), Thursday, 29 December 2005 16:39 (nineteen years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 29 December 2005 22:20 (nineteen years ago)
― joseph (joseph), Friday, 30 December 2005 07:17 (nineteen years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Friday, 30 December 2005 22:49 (nineteen years ago)
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Saturday, 31 December 2005 16:55 (nineteen years ago)
― Fred (Fred), Saturday, 31 December 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago)
― Peter Densmore (pbnmyj), Sunday, 1 January 2006 00:45 (nineteen years ago)
― Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 1 January 2006 01:33 (nineteen years ago)
PS Cheers, HNY'06!
― never mind, Sunday, 1 January 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Sunday, 1 January 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)
― Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Sunday, 1 January 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 1 January 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)
And I've got about a hunderd pages of Don Quixote left to re-read.
― I Am Sexless and I Am Foul (noodle vague), Monday, 2 January 2006 00:51 (nineteen years ago)
― Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 2 January 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago)
― Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 2 January 2006 05:23 (nineteen years ago)
aimless, i wonder if you could try alternative ways of reaching the text.
― Josh (Josh), Monday, 2 January 2006 05:55 (nineteen years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 2 January 2006 08:16 (nineteen years ago)
― the firefox, Monday, 2 January 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)
Wal-Mart: The Face of Twenty-First-Century Capitalism; andSlavery in New York, published in conjunction with the New-York Historical Society exhibit
― Mary (Mary), Monday, 2 January 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)
― Joe Kay (feethurt), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)
― Matt (Matt), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)
― Any similarity to actual persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental (Øystei, Monday, 2 January 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)
Mmm - I remember thinking that Silver On The Tree especially was *enormous* when I was little.
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 12:18 (nineteen years ago)
I watched a little of your Devonian boys last night. Is it two up automatically this year?
― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)
― Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)
― zan, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)
― Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)
― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago)
― mj (robert blake), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 01:58 (nineteen years ago)
― Ray (Ray), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 09:20 (nineteen years ago)
I found reading "The End of the Affair" far more painful than I had expected. I don't really want to talk about it.
― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 09:56 (nineteen years ago)
Are you reading the tinily printed bits of GB84 or are you treating them as illustrations?
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)
― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)
I'm still reading the Football Man. The Observer reckons it one of the top five sports books of all time. The author used to write for the Observer, though.
― Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)
I'm on The Dark is Rising now. Only a few pages in and already it nearly made me miss my train station this morning.
― Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)
I have been rereading books, including the Barthes mentioned above.
'Cyclops' was tremendous again.
Still need to finish Michael Wood's Kafka very soon.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)
I wish I had copies of The Dark Is Rising, I never remember to steal it when I'm at my mother's.
I've just finished The Real Life of Sebastian Knight (Nabokov, pronounced NabORkov, apparently), I'm in the middle of The Truth about Sascha Knisch by Aris Fioretos (titular similarity a some kind of serendipitous event) and next on the list is Doris Lessing's The Grass Is Singing, which I have to read for uni. Looking forward to it though.
― Zora (Zora), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)
― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 2 February 2006 01:10 (nineteen years ago)
PF: I was avguely planning to read the timy bits as they coem along, and then read them again as a story at the end. I might not feel like doing that when it comes to the end, but that's a chance I'll have to take.
― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 2 February 2006 09:32 (nineteen years ago)
I just bought 'The Soccer War' by Ryszard Kapuscinski, because Geoff Dyer is always going on about him. The first chapter was good.
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 2 February 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 2 February 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)
I've just started on Projection Privée by Kazushige Abe.
― Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Thursday, 2 February 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 2 February 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)
― Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Thursday, 2 February 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)
― wmlynch (wlynch), Thursday, 2 February 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)
'The Ongoing Moment' - yes. There are good bits, but overall I found it a bit disappointing. It would have been improved if:
a) he could have got reproduction rights to all the photos he wanted; andb) the standard of reproduction was a bit better.
As it is, the book falls too easily into a series of essays which get a bit formulaic: "Many photographers have taken pictures of gas stations. Take photographer A, for example. Photographer B, however, photographed gas stations a bit differently. And then photographer C came a long and looked at gas stations in a whole new way!". I enjoyed the biographical bits about the rivalries and friendships between the different photographers, I guess.
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 2 February 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)
Now that this thread has exceeded 350 postings and it is likewise the start of February, 2006, would it be acceptable to start a new incarnation of the now-traditional "what are you reading" thread, rather than hammer the ILX server and frustrate our dial-up patrons by extending this thread to fantastic length?
― Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 3 February 2006 01:41 (nineteen years ago)
Saul Bellow, "Humboldt's Gift"Gary Shteyngart, "The Russian Debutante's Handbook"David Foster Wallace "Oblivion" and "Brief Interviews with Hideous Men"Chris Ware, "The Acme Novelty Library"
― archipelago (archipelago), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago)
The Lost Continent, by Bill BrysonTravels, by Hans Christian AndersenRemarks on Colour, by Ludwig WittgensteinShut Up And Eat Your Showshoes!, by Jack Douglas
That last one is my nth time rereading that book.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 00:37 (nineteen years ago)
― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 24 February 2006 01:45 (nineteen years ago)
― Josh (Josh), Friday, 24 February 2006 02:30 (nineteen years ago)
― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 24 February 2006 02:43 (nineteen years ago)
Now, I have to say, I don't normally read so voraciously, but it really was an ideal train ride. I attempted to finish the Iliad instead of reading the Douglas, but it so wasn't happening.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 05:01 (nineteen years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 06:37 (nineteen years ago)
― SRH (Skrik), Friday, 24 February 2006 10:24 (nineteen years ago)
― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)
― Redd Harvest (Ken L), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)
I haven't been to Union Station DC, but of the ones I've been to, I think Union Station LA is the nicest, well, assuming we don't include Grand Central of course.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)
― Mary (Mary), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)
― Jaq (Jaq), Saturday, 25 February 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 25 February 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)
― Jaq (Jaq), Saturday, 25 February 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)
Grand Central is magnificent!
― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 26 February 2006 04:51 (nineteen years ago)