about the allegations surrounding frey (and non-fiction truth-bending in general)

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you think it's okay to exaggerate in the name of entertainment? most memoirists who do so usually use a disclaimer (however cheeky that may be) but frey didn't and now he's facing some heat. personally, i say if you are going to fabricate, just call the memoir a novel. is it that hard? are they just trying to bank on the success of the memoir craze that, however, seems to be on the downslope...

John Kerpan (Jkerpan16), Thursday, 12 January 2006 02:54 (nineteen years ago)

i blame oprah.

John Kerpan (Jkerpan16), Thursday, 12 January 2006 02:58 (nineteen years ago)

the number one rule to always remember is: don't believe everything that drug addicts tell you. even ex-drug addicts. they tend to embellish. not that they can't be colorful, and good storytellers, but take it with a grain of salt.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 January 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

I blame reality tv. Didn't Frey supposedly pitch it initially as fiction and get rejected?

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 12 January 2006 03:07 (nineteen years ago)

I have never, ever, ever read a memoir and thought, hey, every single word in this book must be true! All memoir is subjective. Life is fictional and changing. Call it a novel, and people will accuse you of writing a "thinly-veiled memoir."

More than anything, I'm upset by how much attention is being given to this, when there are much worse and more fatal lies being told in the world these days.

zan, Thursday, 12 January 2006 05:34 (nineteen years ago)

be that as it may Zan, this is an i love books thread.

John Kerpan (Jkerpan16), Thursday, 12 January 2006 06:13 (nineteen years ago)

I blame reality tv. Didn't Frey supposedly pitch it initially as fiction and get rejected?

Yeah, according to thesmokinggun.com, he pitched it to something like 11 diff. agencies, all of whom rejected him, so then he tried the memoir angle, and suddenly people loved it.

b (maga), Thursday, 12 January 2006 06:57 (nineteen years ago)

(a) "Subjective" and "factually inaccurate" are very different things.

(b) Most of the creative liberties taken in memoirs are still pretty distinct from fabrication, and they tend to be more about the mechanics of the book than the contents within. You might play with your timeline to create a better narrative arc; you might make mild space-saving composites of conversations or minor characters; you might present an experience in explicitly subjective terms. Overuse of these things can create gray areas, but it's still pretty easy to tell the difference between creative overreaching and an active attempt to fool people.

(c) The reason stuff like this gets picked up as memoir isn't just down to the popularity of memoirs as genre; it also has to do with the genres having different demands. People who think their lives are interesting aren't necessarily good writers, and they don't necessarily know a lot about the usual mechanics of novels, and when they sit down and write the product often lacks all the stuff we expect from novels -- purposeful narrative arc, carefully arranged symbolism, formal interest, a well-used sense of artifice. The product isn't good as a novel. What it might have, though, is an interesting real-world story to tell, with a good real-world voice behind it, and everyday non-art advice to offer -- i.e., the things plenty of people are looking for in memoir. They're completely different formats with completely different demands, and it's quite possible to write something that's great in one field and not in the othe -- the same way that good painting and good photography are just not the same thing.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 12 January 2006 08:33 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, I don't like the way that "aren't necessarily good writers" looks. It should mean something like "not very good writers of fiction" -- they may be excellent writers/communicators on other terms.

Watching this Frey flap has creeped me out by revealing once again how many people think of the two things as interchangeable -- as if fiction and memoir are the same thing, only one's true and one isn't. Pop culture has a lot to do with this, since the common conception of The Writer nearly everywhere is as a person who funnels his/her interesting life into fiction; the idea seems to be that all fiction is thinly veiled memoir, except for genre books and stuff published before 1900.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 12 January 2006 08:40 (nineteen years ago)

From "Come Back, Cynics, All is Forgiven," which appears in Dubravka Ugresic's Thank You for Not Reading:

In his book Cynicism and Postmodernity, Timothy Bewes maintains that the phenomenon of sincerity is one of the cultural obsessions of our time. At the beginning of the 1990s, the media, measuring the pulse of the market and picking up a longing for semantic transparency, repackaged the postmodern zeitgeist as the age of honesty. Thus, concludes Bewes, "sincerity has replaced wit and subtlety as the mark of commercial credibility."....

As an occasional literature professor, I was at first touched by the naive concern of my students to know whether what was described in some work of literature really happened or whether it was just invented. Among many of them I detected a lack of understanding of the fundamental assumptions of a literary text, an inability to differentiate literary strategies and narrative masks, and a deafness to irony — either they did not understand it, or they considered it morally, politically, fundamentally unacceptable. Then I noticed a reaction which Bewes defines as "a gastric aversion to the cultural products of postmodernism," even a basic aversion to texts which demand effort in their reading and which are, therefore, not "sincere."

Now, some years later, if I look around me, I see that I am buried under cultural products which represent the same values that my students advocated. My surroundings are dominated by the culture of public confession, where the television has taken over the role of the church, and the role of church confessors is played by popular TV presenters. Memoirs are no longer reserved for those who have climbed the Himalayas or swum the Atlantic. On the contrary, what is valued are the ordinary accounts of ordinary people about ordinary things. The market is swamped with products which claim reality — from soap operas, which people believe more than life itself, to real-life stories, which people believe as much as soap operas. In the culture of public confession, everyone has acquired the right to his personal fifteen minutes, just as Andy Warhol predicted. The only thing that puzzles me, in this ardent return to reality, is reality itself.

That is, the reality so aggressively offered to me as authentic is in fact soapified reality, a kind of "life for beginners"....

via Maud Newton

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

I think that Frey's book succeeded financially because he was able to tap into this "culture of public confession" that Ugresic identifies. If the book had been marketed as a novel, this market would not have been available to him. In this market, sincerity is of the utmost importance, because the exchange between author and reader is quasi-religious in nature.

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

"He also admitted to taking steps, around the time 'A Million Little Pieces' was published in hardcover in 2003, to legally expunge court records related to the seemingly most egregious criminal activity of his lifetime."

Why don't more people think of this? Silly of them.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

How do people do that italics thing when they quote? I tried HTML tags but they didn't do anything.

b (maga), Friday, 13 January 2006 03:20 (nineteen years ago)

Let's see if this works: for italics < i > and < /i >, but without the spaces. So, just standard html.

Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 13 January 2006 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

Ahh. I forgot abt those. I was going with the < em > stuff. Thanks.

b (maga), Friday, 13 January 2006 07:37 (nineteen years ago)

In this market, sincerity is of the utmost importance, because the exchange between author and reader is quasi-religious in nature.
Do you really think so? I'm not sure that that's the case as much as people like to read and hear stories of self-degradation and superhuman efforts to keep an addiction alive. I have often enjoyed such books myself (although I have not read this one) on an almost prurient level. If you can throw in some salacious stories about showbiz types too, you've got me completely hooked. Step forward Danny Sugerman, Julia Phillips, and the king of this kind of memoir, Jerry Stahl.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 13 January 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

Let's see if this works: for italics < i > and < /i >, but without the spaces. So, just standard html.

But what I want to know is, does the same technique work for bolding, only with b's instead of i's?

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

Ladies and Gentlemen: There's your answer!

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

Do you really think so? I'm not sure that that's the case as much as people like to read and hear stories of self-degradation and superhuman efforts to keep an addiction alive

Well, I think you're right that there's also a prurient angle, and perhaps that's even the dominant factor, the desire to read about people misbehaving and doing naughty things in graphic detail - and perhaps the confessional/redemptive angle is just a way to whitewash that motive and make it seem noble - ie., to read something for its supposed inspirational properties rather than its titillating ones.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)


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