genre fiction in translation

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as in, thrillers, detective novels, sci-fi, fantasy, etc.

is there much of it? anyone famous or well-regarded? why isn't there more of it by not so well-regarded authors (who may nevertheless be big sellers)?

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 04:42 (nineteen years ago)

"Silence of the Grave" by Arnaldur Indridason (it's Icelandic, innit) recently won the Golden Dagger crime book award, leading to some disquiet among protectionist writers-in-English. I suppose that means it's well-regarded.

It's part of a whole bunch of largely excellent detective/thrillerish stuff Harvill have been publishing over the last few years: (off the top of my head, there are lots more I'm sure) Henning Mankell, Perneille Rygg, Kjell Westo, Karin Fossum, Carlo Lucarelli.

I know nothing about science fiction so I can't help in that direction. I read "The Mistress of Silence" by Jacqueline Harpman, in translation from the French. It was pretty good.

I'm not sure I have any sensible answers to your why question. Maybe the culture among Anglophone genre fiction readers feels a kind of implied difficulty to reading translated books (analogous to foreign films?) and finds that offputting? Maybe the publishers of genre fiction don't fancy stumping up the additional cost of translation before thhey know they've something saleable (literary fiction readers are likely to be more tolerant of a bumpy translation, I suspect). Those must be too-gross generalisations, mustn't they?

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 09:36 (nineteen years ago)

(literary fiction readers are likely to be more tolerant of a bumpy translation, I suspect)

I think the opposite is true.

There is a Spanish thing called The Oxford Murders in a lot of 3 for 2 offers at the moment.

I am trying to think of the name of another Spanish author, but it has gone.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

Arturo Perez Reverte?
Simenon?
ISTR a series of historical fictions about Alexander?

I think part of the reason for the lack of translated genre fiction, as Tim says, is the inferred difficulty of the foreign. Maybe also genre readers prefer their books to be rooted in the familiar - techno-thrillers must feature US politicians and/or settings, chick lit must refer to TV shows the reader will recognise, and so on?

Ray (Ray), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 11:21 (nineteen years ago)

Stanislaw Lem's Solaris is fairly well-known, isn't it? Two notable directors made a film out of it, after all.

mj (robert blake), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

Soho Press does the Soho Crime series, which is maybe slightly on the literary side of "genre"? And the books' settings are all foreign and/or out of the way places (ex. Alaska but a strange back-country Alaska). Some are translations and some Engl originals, but a bunch of the authors aren't native English speakers so things get a funny twist anyway.

http://www.sohopress.com/sohocrime.html

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

i am thinking of fiction closer to the mass-market, junk end of the spectrum.

one hypothetical reason why it ought not to matter: interchangeability of books in a genre of 'genre fiction', easy translateability (how many languages is harry potter translated into already, do you suppose?), availability of large amounts of product and large markets.

(the fact of their being translated needn't be made a big deal out of.)

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

"Rough Cider"! This is a language I understand.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

Natsuo Kirino (Japanese, thriller/crime)
Victor Pelevin (Russian, sci-fi-ish)
Boris Akunin (Russian/Georgian, detective)
Henning Mankell (Swedish, detective)

zan, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

in SF i think there's the notion that "american SF" or "english SF" is its own thing, and that "soviet SF", say, is well uh pretty damn different. i mean, not-interchangeable. (i can sort of hazard this bcz of how lem and uh the strugatskys are canonical-ish, now.)

(not just in terms of content. think about how the magazines were the primary vector for american SF through til the 60s, and a whole lot of novels came out of reputations built through that - so, no room for anything foreign)

i have a couple french SF novels i bought in a fit of ambition. translation into french seemed pretty common.

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

Josh, maybe the distinction between 'literary' detective novels and 'pulpy' ones is the problem? Most of the translated detective novels I've read don't employ much in the way of tricky literary devices, aren't they just pulpy novels which happen to be well-plotted, well-told? (Like, Ed McBain's writing is as literary in its way as Arturo Perez-Reverte's, say.)

Maybe if someone's been to the trouble of translating something they're more likely to sell it as a bit literary because it means they can increase the price on the back?

Similarly, maybe there's no point in incurring the expense of translating things which aren't very good, particularly when there does seem to be some perception among anglophones that foreign stuff is going to be hard, or clever. I'm not sure that perception exists in the other direction. It might.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

maigret?

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

don't mind if I do.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

american and british crime, mystery, and detective fiction are often held to be essentially different too. so i'd suppose other nationalities, again, it gets harder. - can you imagine what a soviet mike hammer would look like?

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

ISTR a series of historical fictions about Alexander?
By some Italian chappie, I think. There are also Christian Jacques' stories about Ramses. They are terrible and to be avoided at all costs.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

hm:

anime and manga = japanese genre fiction in translation

(but there's a lot of visual stuff there that isn't translated, so...)

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Europa Editions

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

Foreign genre novels appear on our shelves with literary-feeling translated language; they're full of e.g. Europeans doing stuff that seems a bit classy to us; they come from places with enough print culture for the sophistication of genre novels to be maybe a half-notch above perceptions of same in the U.S., and they themselves struck someone as significant enough to bear the effort of translation; they have deep-sounding French or Czech names on the covers -- all leading Americans to think of them not as "genre" books, but rather as that clever modern thing, the high-literary novel that "turns out" to have a ripping genre-like tale at its center.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

Which expectation causes that sinking feeling in the reader who, after being drawn in by the exotic locale in the first chapter or two, fails to see the ripping yarn materialize.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

I'm talking about you, Soho Crime!

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

Although perhaps others have had better luck.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

Haha. I liked White Sky, Black Ice by Stan Jones, but had to force myself to read one of the Amsterdam detective novels, so my mileage certainly varied. I think I've got a couple of others around from used book sales -- I'm not even sure I realized they were in the same series at first, I just liked the jacket designs.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

People seem to love those Amsterdam books- the guy studied Zen Buddism!- but I've never been able to get into one.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

Nobody's mentioned The Laughing Policeman yet. Now that I liked.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

Manuel Vasquez Montalban's Barcelona-set Pepe Carvalho series is pretty wonderful.

Italy has provided plenty of mysteries within mysteries, recently Giuseppe Genna, so that seems to be something of a local genre.

snotty moore, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

Hm. I just bought something at the Mysterious Bookshop and they included a little booklet with a a candy cane on the cover containing a Christmas story by Rupert Holmes, "A Holiday Gift with the compliments of The Mysterious Bookshop."

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Friday, 27 January 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

Rupert Holmes!

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Friday, 27 January 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
About European genre fiction:

Swedish detective and crime fiction is rich and atmospheric, even though only Henning Mankell has made a full breakthrough into English translation. Many, however, are available in German translation.

Anne Holt, Norwegian, a former journalist and justice minister, has a fine series of police procedurals featuring woman police commissioner Hanne Wilhelmsen, who like the author is careful to seal away her long-time lesbian partnership from her work; as in Menkell's work there is a deep felt evolution of the central character over the course of the books.

Hakan Nesser, Swedish, made the curious choice of depicting Dutch police Commissioner Vanveetern, a world-weary cop nearing retirement, in a series of grisly puzzlers.

Kjell Westo, a Finn writing in Swedish, is much talked about for his novel "Lang," recently translated into English in the UK, about the breakdown of a famous talk show host. It's okay. I see that a subsequent book has been translated into German.

Lisa Marklund has a vivid series about a woman journalist; the first of them was translated into English as "Prime Time" and wound up on the remainder tables. Talk about counterfactual imagination: she has the assassination of a Norwegian minister take place during winter Olympic games in Sweden.

Ake Edwardson, Swedish, does an engaging series about Sweden's "youngest police commissioner" Michael Winter of Goteborg, featuring over the series Winter's gradual transformation from elegant bachelor to bemused father, as he solves cases.

Unni Lindall, Norway, does a series about Cato Isaakson, police commissioner in Oslo.

Rising above the merely generic, Per Olov enquist/Enqvist, is one of Sweden's leading novelist, combining tight plotting with history. "The Visit of the Court Physician"(my translation from German) is a novelized account of the court of mad young King Christian VII, at the time of Voltaire, and of the rise and fall of the court physician Struensee, who became the lover of the queen and the de facto regent, pursuing liberal reform until the aristocracy did him in. Enqvist does something similar for "Lewis's Voyage," an elegy for the principal supporters of the rise of evangelical christianity in Sweden.

Kerstin Ekman's "Blackwater" is more a crime novel than a detective story -- an atmospheric story of murder in the northern woods. It was translated in 1993 under that title. Ekman is one of Sweden's leading feminists and wrote a series about women in rural Sweden in the early 20th century.

Akif Pirinci, writing in German despite his family's Turkish origins, has a series about the cat-detective Francis. The whimsey of the concept is accompanied by the sardonic comments of the feline about human beings ("can-openers") and offset by grim, vivid and strongly plotted stories. A couple, at least, were translated into English; Cave Canem won a respectful review in the New York Times.

An Austrian friend says that Wolf Haas writes great stuff, but i find his short crime/detective novels too full of comic grotesque.

One of the greatest will always be the Swiss German writer Friedrich Durrenmatt, whose novel "The Pledge" served as the basis for Sean Penn's movie of the same name, featuring Jack Nicholson movie. Remarkably faithful to the novel, even though it has been transformed to a U.S. setting.

And while throwing Europeans into the mix, Spaniard Arturo Perez Reverte is a master of the thriller and of the historical novel. His highly successful five-book series about the Spanish golden age sword for hire Captain Alatriste is only now getting into English, though others, more contemporary, have long been in translation. Of them, probably "The Fencing Master" is the best historical piece (in some ways a trial for Alatriste) and "The Nautical Chart"is the best contemporary one.

Michael Meigs, Monday, 27 February 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

four months pass...
I've tried to read one of the Montalban Pepe Carvalho books but haven't been able to get into it. I was inspired to read it because of his namesake Inspector Montalbano, who can usually be found reading one of them while relaxing at home. The Inspector Montalbano books I like, and they are very well translated, as far as I can tell.

I liked the one Ake Edwardson that is out in English so far, I think another one is out any day now. A lot of stuff in the finale happens "off-camera," which I guess might bother some, but I didn't really want to read another fifty pages where he sorted it all out.

After reading Laurel's recommendation here, I read White Sky, Black Ice, which was very well done, but then I bought the second one Shaman Pass and never got around to finishing it.

What about this Bitter Lemon Press?

The Player In The Redd Cap (Two-Headed Doge) (Ken L), Friday, 7 July 2006 05:14 (nineteen years ago)

I've liked what little I've read from Soho Crime, but that's been limited to two of the Japanese works Inspector Imanishi Investigates and The Tattoo Murder Case and then Death of a Red Heroine by the Chinese/American author.

And I get a kick out of the Erast Fandorin series by Akunin (though I'm getting increasingly pissed that they're being translated/published in English out of order, which makes for some "what's going on here" moments and pure annoyance at other times). (That's also why I've held off on the Mankell novels, 'cause I'd like to read them in some sort of logical order.) (Ditto for Sjowall.)

And I greatly enjoyed Natsuo Kirino's Out, too.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Friday, 7 July 2006 06:24 (nineteen years ago)

Yay, Ken, I'm glad you liked my rec! How are your bairns, by the way?

Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 7 July 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

i am just about done with 'berlin noir' by philip kerr, which is not in translation. but it seems to have more untranslated german than some of the german literature i read!

Josh (Josh), Friday, 7 July 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

i got the other day the sort of semi-academic "the road to science fiction, volume six" which is a uh "global" SF anthology. i dunno about it, it suffers from bad reclamation - borges, marquez, kafka - and also from tarkovsky syndrome - viz. apparently no one west of germany wrote the stuff bar lem and the strugatskys, which must have made theirs a lonely collection of careers.

tom west (thomp), Friday, 7 July 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

Everybody's fine, Laurel, thanks for asking. Talking up a storm.

The Player In The Redd Cap (Two-Headed Doge) (Ken L), Friday, 7 July 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...
"Silence of the Grave" by Arnaldur Indridason (it's Icelandic, innit) recently won the Golden Dagger crime book award,
I'm reading another one by him that just came out in paperback, Jar City. It has not one hint of the literary pretentions nabisco discussed, but man is it a ripping yarn. I have high hopes for the movie, which I think is supposed to be completed just about now.

The Redd 47 Ronin (Ken L), Saturday, 21 October 2006 03:17 (nineteen years ago)

I guess Jar City is the first one and Silence Of The Grave is the follow-up, so I'm going in the right order.

The Redd 47 Ronin (Ken L), Saturday, 21 October 2006 03:20 (nineteen years ago)

Hm. The movie version opened today in Iceland, apparently. Here is the trailer.

The Redd 47 Ronin (Ken L), Saturday, 21 October 2006 04:07 (nineteen years ago)

a ripping yarn

Thanks for the review - Jar City is now in my "read next" pile and the spine shall be cracked as soon as I finish the Aurelio Zen series. (Which, by the way, swings wildly from "OMG I can't believe how good this is!" to "God, this is pathetic.")

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Saturday, 21 October 2006 05:11 (nineteen years ago)

bitter lemon is definitely not to be missed

http://www.bitterlemonpress.com/

you can also check out the complete review's index--it's not all in translation, but is a start.

http://www.complete-review.com/maindex/scifi.htm
http://www.complete-review.com/maindex/mystery.htm
http://www.complete-review.com/maindex/erotica.htm

andrew s (andrew s), Sunday, 22 October 2006 01:32 (nineteen years ago)

Indridason in English goes:

Jar City (later re-published in the UK as "Tainted Blood" for some reason)
Silence Of The Grave
Voices

They're all worth it, I think I probably enjoyed the first most, although "Voices" involves record collecting, a bit, which is always good.

Tim (Tim), Monday, 23 October 2006 09:10 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
Silence of the Grave was ultimately pretty enjoyable, more of the same if not as compelling or as ingeniously plotted as Jar City - for one thing, the flashbacks really slow things down in the beginning.

One of the cofounders of Soho Press wrote a book himself, The Trudeau Vector which, based on the first chapter, seems like it might be a good story and make a good movie, but has too many sentences like this "The scientist, who was also an amateur cook, tugged on the brim of his baseball cap, leaned back in his swivel chair, tapped on his keyboard and puzzled at the numbers that appeared on the screen" (note: dramatic re-enactment, not an actual sentence) to make me want to read further.

The Redd 47 Ronin (Ken L), Thursday, 9 November 2006 02:19 (nineteen years ago)


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