Time to change ILX?

As I'm PERSONALLY starting to get pissed off right now, I'm taking a break, going for brunch with a friend and doing something more pleasant like troubleshooting computer problems. Maybe after that I'll come back with some more thoughts on this.

I know I'm not a mod but I'd say you should apply that to ILE, on ILM the googlers can be fun (either as in funny, or finding and adding informative posts to thread that are in the archives). ILB seems to be fine too.

It should be noted that Dan has been quietly working on some ideas regarding a new mod-related FAQ as well, which I think are very good ones, though I'll let him talk more about that as he wishes.

i'm beginning to like the revoked user idea as I think about it. the threat that your posts will ALL be for nought if you step over the line is quite appealing.

If we can be bothered to make only SOME boards "logged in posts only" then it's no more difficult to make it something that can be turned on and off by mods. so only when things erupt can a mod throw the switch on a board.

I like this idea.

But the idea of completely erradicating or suppressing a person's entire body of posts, based on isolated incident(s), that really smacks to me of totalitarianism.

I'm all for having to register to be able to post at this moment.

Banning by IP range is sketchy because the more hax0r-ish nuisances can easily get round it, and say, banning one of calum's ranges would also lead to julio desouza not being able to post, which would suck.

For a start, extreme deterrent strategies (the death penalty springs to mind, because this is essentially an ILX death penalty) generally don't actually work.

Add to this, I think it would also be disruptive to existing threads, in which the wrongdoer may have been perfectly well behaved, to have their contributions yanked out - it *would* destroy the flow of reading archived material.

How will this work?

Because I will feel secure in the knowledge that ILX will be a happier and more enjoyable place for others. I'm almost crazy enough to like the idea of being a martyr for that cause!

(probably not so easy to implement though)

*rubs eyes* Today's blow-up on the thread was NOT what it took -- these are issues that have been talked about for a while, and as Pash and Alan have noted separately, there are technical issues to consider while at the same time mod discussion can take some time.

They made a plan, and they implemented it, and I was THERE.

I'm totally gonna tell my grandkids.

I could see the "ILX death penalty" being handy in cases where.... say someone posted 300,000 scat porn pics to every 3rd thread, but useful otherwise.

no offense to those who've put more energy than i into maintaining and creating ILX, perhaps those are the people who should decide...

It is not a big worry, since the moderator issues have been whittled down greatly since the "everyone on this board is a moderator" fiasco but still. Banning users is one thing but Alan, I'm just a bit worried that the whole "delete everything" idea is a bit far?

Which makes sense: it's good to have as few irrevocable moderator actions as possible while we still have human moderators.

I think this is an absolutely fabulous idea. ILX and the Internet != democracy

Note that the argument loses some of its power when "everyone else" and "one person's actions" are both left undefined.

Since I wrote some of the html-filtering code I think I can say safely this doesn't seem like a ridiculous load burden, thought it would mean some coding work through the sticky accretionPattern of the ilx core.

so jon and dada and etc. image posts could be blocked by kate etc. without banning ALL image posts, or jon and dada image posts for everyone (like me who has fast access at home and work).

Alternately, something which solved image-blocking on a thread-by thread basis -- like users could set to see images if there were no more than X (where X is like 10 or something) per thread automatically, and then could click a link to show all images.

If there are other type ilx blowouts besides the html-related ones, then I'd like to be clued in, since I'm not aware of them. If its only the "why did you fuck with known-troll X's posts" sort then I don't really care. Again, codewise, we could even implement not killfiles for EVERYONE, but just troll-specific killfiles so ppl could choose or not to see posts from certain known trolls or threads started by them.

This known-troll list would be a moderator controlled autocratic system.

(taken from http://www.3drealms.com/forums.html):

Flaming - We do not tolerate abusive, malicious, personal attacks. You will be banned if you persist in this behavior.
Trolls - Anyone deliberately antagonizing other forum users by posting 'flame bait' type messages is not welcome. You will be banned (possibly without warning depending on the severity of the issue) if you persist in this behavior.
Transmit any message, information, data, text, software or graphic files, or other materials ("Content") that is unlawful (including illegal drug usage), harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, hateful or racially, ethnically, sexually or otherwise objectionable.
Impersonate any person or entity, including but not limited to, a 3D Realms official, message board moderator, employee, contractor, affiliate.
Post or transmit any Content that contains a virus, Trojan horse or other mischievous Content.
Use The 3D Realms Message Boards' features in a manner that adversely affects the availability of its resources to other users (e.g., excessive shouting [use of all caps] or flooding [continuous posting of repetitive text or topics]).
Post or transmit any unsolicited advertising, promotional materials, "junk mail", "spam", "chain letters", "pyramid schemes" or any other form of solicitation.
Intentionally or unintentionally violate any applicable local, state, national or international law, rule or regulation.
Upload or transmit any Content that infringes any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other proprietary rights ("Rights") of any party.

and i prefer it to the outright banning/ip-blocking we've occasionaly done to trolly types.

but keeping it to a known-trolls list would trim down the possibilities of thread-discontinuity/fragmentation/mass-killfiling.

the optional html blocknig by user preference might also be a better way than boardwise html filtering, codewise, or maybe just about the same in implementationwork.

:-D

http://ilx.wh3rd.net/adminlog.php?board=47

sterling's ideas seem good.

But what does banning posters accomplish? The real problem trolls just post anonymously. Maybe coupled with IP bans this could have real teeth.

Oh, and obligatory registration, please.