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specific enough?

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

why?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 28 July 2006 12:04 (nineteen years ago)

Mansun : Classic or Dud , probably.

But he knows about Aereogramme! (worth 1 don't go to jail card, no?)

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 28 July 2006 12:21 (nineteen years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000026DG.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

would if i could, holmes

― david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Friday, 28 July 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

Dude seems OK to me?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 28 July 2006 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, with any luck he might hop over to ILE and start posting about his sex life or something. Think about the entertainment we might miss out on!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 28 July 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

First they came for the students, and I did not speak out because I was not a student.

― Annie Get Your Gin (noodle vague), Friday, 28 July 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

And to think people call me a socialist when I advocating nailbombing Oxbridge.

But yeah, this isn't some Sanskrit Asperger's "SOMEONE PROTECT THE SANCTITY OF MY BEAUTIFUL MESSAGE BOARD" freakout, this is just "Please save migraines amongst the ILM population" plea for mercy. Help us help you, mods.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 28 July 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

That guy is this year's answer to Mike C0st3llo

― Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Friday, 28 July 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

you guys could just take stevem's suggestion that you just over the top troll and harass him off the board

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 28 July 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

actually ban jay blanchard, he's a racist shithead.

― gear (gear), Friday, 28 July 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

To quote someone on my greetings thread: "Welcome to the wonderful world of asshats".

I honestly don't understand what I've done. Maybe I seem too enthusiastic, too verbose, too, oh FUCK IT I'm just being myself and if you lot can't deal with it then FUCK YOU ALL. I didn't come here to be abused by no-life webfreaks who can't stand it when someone shows a bit of genuine eloquence. I came here to talk about music and perhaps indulge in a bit of harmless banter, and the ill-feeling is entirely of your own creation.

Your harassment campaign is a very well-organised one though, I'll give you that.

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Sunday, 30 July 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

Do not add unfounded paranoia to your list of irritating qualities, Louis.

Jed_, I think, gave you some kind and well-meant advice over on ILM -- tone it down and stop apologizing. You would do best to follow it. You are acting like a yo-yo -- what you see as 'too enthusiastic' is *really* obnoxiously OTT 'look at me I'm wacky!' preening, and when you're called on it you tend to shift gears into equally OTT 'I'm sorry, please forgive me, WAAAAH!' apologetics. And they are both getting old, really quickly.

Like I said over on ILM, I am hardly immune to ill-timed attempts at humor, self-dramatization, etc. So I'll say this simply here -- calm DOWN. And if you can't or don't want to do that, then dude, you're not going to fit in here. Blaming us for the fact that you are coming across as a massive tool is your burden to bear.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 30 July 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

Also, you might want to try being a bit less dogmatic. I promise you that the opinions about music that you have now will not last for the rest of your life.

― Annie Get Your Gin (noodle vague), Sunday, 30 July 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

I don't understand the hate. What am I missing?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Sunday, 30 July 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i'm sorta curious too, if noodles and ned are weighing in this kid must be pretty precious!

― j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 30 July 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

Search by his name in ILM over the past week if yer so inclined. (Noodle_vague != Noodles, BTW)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 30 July 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

Not that anyone asked me, but this kid has a unique gift: every word out of his mouth is utterly infuriating. I can't even say why. Maybe because he so clearly fancies himself a witty, Evelyn Waugh-esque raconteur. Or maybe it's the self-deprecation so fake it makes Bono's interviews look genuinely self-hating.

I guess you either feel the bile rise in your throat when someone posts "I obviously need to lose some of my masculine, testosterone-fuelled preconceptions, perhaps that men can't be tender and emotive as well as ladies"... or you don't. But I don't think we've ever been visited by anyone so massively in love with his own voice (Ott's rhetorical excesses, for instance, were tempered by his very frequent OTM-ness).

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Sunday, 30 July 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

nabisco otm

― just kidding, Sunday, 30 July 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

That line "I obviously need..." was intended to be dryly sarcastic, not sincerely apologetic. But that's a moot point; the very thought that I'm being at all 'fake' is one that causes me genuine distress and I cannot understand where all this vitriol is coming from. I post frequently on other chatrooms and nobody else has this problem with me; in fact, I am well-liked. I'm just bewildered as to how this has gone so badly wrong.

I think the real problem is that I've never encountered Americans online before. ;-)

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Sunday, 30 July 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

in fact, I am well-liked
in fact, I am well-liked
in fact, I am well-liked
in fact, I am well-liked
in fact, I am well-liked
in fact, I am well-liked
in fact, I am well-liked
in fact, I am well-liked

PS: There are tons of Britishes on ILX.

― Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Sunday, 30 July 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

I know there's Britishes, but there's also Americans aplenty, ergo my joke.

ERGO. You love it really.

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Sunday, 30 July 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

You don't actually bother me much. Yet.

― Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Sunday, 30 July 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

there's a thousand generic corny indie fuxxxors just like this guy all over ilm now, not really sure what's special about this one

― j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 30 July 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

what's special is that he is one crazy customer :D :D :D :D

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 30 July 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

too bad Spirit of Eden came out in 1988. DO NOT PASS GO, DO NOT COLLECT 200 CRED POINTS

-- bernard snow

Heh.

― Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Sunday, 30 July 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

I think Bernard Snow may have been self-deprecatingly addressing himself there.

and the 'crazy customer :D :D :D :D' line was followed up with the disclaimer 'that last sentence was parody'.

keep taking pops though, i guess it's half the fun of this place.

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Sunday, 30 July 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

quiet

― -- (688), Sunday, 30 July 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

I see a bit of Momus in you.

― Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Sunday, 30 July 2006 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, he just referred to a Gay Dad song as "brilliant".

― Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

(It's the only one he likes, but still.)

― Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

I knew that would be brought here! :-D I kinda did it to elicit such a response, although it is a great tune. Guilty as charged, m'lud...

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

"Talking to you is like talking to a wall."
"Buddha once sat before a wall, and when he arose he was enlightened."
"Do you compare yourself with Buddha?"
"No. Only to the wall."

― Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

Surely the 'Do you compare yourself with Buddha?' question is dumb; when Speaker 1 claims that Speaker 2 is like a wall, Speaker 2's claim that Buddha once spoke to a similar wall surely relates Buddha to Speaker 1 rather than himself.

Just a pedantic observation...

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:25 (nineteen years ago)

Jeez Louise.

― Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

no, Critical Thinking AS-level... :P

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

OK, bracing as this banter has been, it's only giving further impetus to a thread unhelpfully entitled 'Ban Louis Jagger'. Therefore, henceforth I shall ne'er again speak word (at least on this thread).

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

i am curious: what makes someone want to hang around a place where the immediate reaction to their arrival is general disgust and revulsion? were you hoping to find a place on the internet where people would hate you? cuz if so then i guess maybe i can see an argument for banning you - we've got more of that type than we do corny indie fuxxxors even and we need them even less - and if not then why in the world would you hang around? just curious

― j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

http://oberlin.edu/student/lfamular/headache.jpg

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 31 July 2006 00:50 (nineteen years ago)

the mark of the beast

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 31 July 2006 00:50 (nineteen years ago)

i mean i can think of tons of reasons to hang around despite whatever i'm just curious what jagger's are.

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 31 July 2006 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

He answered you (on that MTV hit's 25 thread for some reason):

(to answer your question from the other thread, i came here to talk about music with fellow music-lovers. i neither expected nor wanted to be hated. i appreciate my style might grate with some but the level of opposition i've faced has been in my opinion shocking and unreasonable)

(xpost)

-- Louis Jagger (papiermachealamphibia...), Today 6:09 PM. (Haberdager) (later) (link)

― Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Monday, 31 July 2006 01:31 (nineteen years ago)

he didn't really answer me though! i didn't ask why he came here, i asked why he's hanging around!

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 31 July 2006 02:01 (nineteen years ago)

I'm returning to this thread just the once (the reason I didn't reply here was that I'd already said I was leaving this thread behind) to say that I'm hanging around because being an optimist and a quick learner I think I can improve and grow in people's affections. For example, tonight I've been arguing on the boards sensibly and rewardingly, meeting with no real dissent and plainly showing that I can live with the rest of you guys. I forgive very easily; I'll forget all the unfair slander levelled at me above if I can be accepted as a decent poster and a pleasant guy... :)

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Monday, 31 July 2006 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.collectorcraft.co.uk/images/jr703-can-I-be-your-friend-anchor_350x210.jpg

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 July 2006 02:06 (nineteen years ago)

It is like talking to a wall, but somehow I don't think we will arise enlightened.

― Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Monday, 31 July 2006 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

Louis, I love the idea that you're forgiving us for being annoyed with your idiocy. It's almost cute!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 July 2006 02:09 (nineteen years ago)

haha i'm kinda amazed at ned's vitriol here!

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 31 July 2006 02:26 (nineteen years ago)

I'll give this a shot, pretty sure it won't do any good, but:

1. Stop drawing so much attention to yourself. This is one reason people still get so annoyed with Momus, and why I referred to him upthread. Today you took over someone else's introduction thread and made it ALL ABOUT YOU, the way Momus does with just about every thread he posts on.

2. When people call you on your shit, quit it with the "I meant to do that" or the fake apologies. Nobody falls for it, and it just exacerbates the situation. Conversely, when someone agrees with you, don't gloat or post a bunch of smilies or whatever, that ties into number 1.

3. Stop caring so much what other people think. People are going to disagree with you, even if you are the most "decent poster and pleasant guy" possible. Deal with it and move on.

― Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Monday, 31 July 2006 02:26 (nineteen years ago)

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these people are BARELY trolls if that.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 10:32 (nineteen years ago)

This is the thing, if you Google "Rohan Chadwick" he appears to be a real person (and frontman of a really shitty indie band). But it's also what I first suspected when Louis J turned up: a regular has gone all IDENTITY THEFT on us to make their trolling more believable.

Jaysus the edge. I mean, really, who cares?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 10:46 (nineteen years ago)

Indeed. WTF @ this thread?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

I mean "ooh, ooh, someone is trolling by saying lots of mildly pompous things about Gomez".

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 10:56 (nineteen years ago)

it was a bit of ante-upping internet hi-jinx that turned into a mid-level flameout.

― Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

There are some very interesting assumptions being made here.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, what is this Ian R-M story mentionned upthread??

― Baaderonixx immer wieder (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

Another very interesting assumption.

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

I think James B is being a bit mischeivous, Baaderonix.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, I'm off for a few days now, so keep the shit g'wan. Should make some fine reading upon return!

― faceless corny indie fuxxxor (Haberdager), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

:(
I shall console myself by listening to the dulcet tones of Gay Dad.

― Baaderonixx immer wieder (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

There are some very interesting assumptions being made here.

Could be. What I'm getting is that someone is being told what to say and how to say it so he can "fit in" when his main crime seems to be verbosity and an (albeit naive) assumption that everything he says is right.

Ditch your current persona now
seems to me a worse thing to say to someone than anything I've read from the latest nominee for banning.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not sure what 'assumptions' ned's referring to tbh.

― Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

I really hate this thread and what I am seeing on it. I agree with Onimo.

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

I find it kind of sad and amusing that the person most aggressively going after this guy...

(and telling him that "[we] wish you were dead", which is the ugliest thing I've read on ILX in a long, long time)

...is also, of all the long-time posters on ILX, the person whose posting style most closely resembles LJ's! I mean, Whitman Mayonnaise OTM x 100 -- this is "narcissism of small differences" city.

― lurker #2421, inc. (lurker-2421), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

"Ditch your current persona now" should become a new catchphrase.

― Baaderonixx immer wieder (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

Norman and I have been talking about this offboard a bit. If he wants to add anything here he's more than welcome. I will simply say this, and Louis can correct me if I am wrong -- aside from a quick Electric Soft Parade crack, I don't believe I've condemned Louis for his musical taste at all, and neither have I ever assumed he's incorrigible, nor have I *ever* said he should be banned from the board. Quite obviously I'm not perfect -- and I believe I pointed out to Louis more than once to him that his posting style did kinda remind me of me in total overdrive. Call me therefore quite aware of how that style doesn't always succeed -- to quote myself from upthread, "I am hardly immune to ill-timed attempts at humor, self-dramatization, etc." -- and why I think Marmot's advice remains completely sound. I have yet to see anyone disagree with it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

Louis totally reminds me of me when I first arrived.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

nor have I *ever* said he should be banned from the board

but you did suggest he should "ditch his persona" which to me amounts to "I don't like you so you should change" and elsewhere wished he was dead. This seemed a bit excessive to me, not to mention out of character for you - it almost had me saying "Heavens!"

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

Marmot's advice remains completely sound.

Telling someone that a largish bunch of internet users wish them dead (even in jest) is not. But, y'know, if you want to assume the mantle of speaking for everyone here, I want to make it very very clear that I'm not one of this everyone for whom you speak.

xpost

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

Hahaha this would be one of those "ill-timed attempts at humor" Ned alluded to upthread!

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

:-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

hahahaha Dan.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

s'funny you know, I hover about here and don't say that much,- there seem to be many far more knowlegable folks on this board than myself most of the time - but it seems that the one thing that really annoys people on discussion threads is over enthusiastic naivety. I've seen it several times before, and I wonder why this should be so. This board is called 'I love music' and Louis clearly does just that. Moreover he wants to share and learn, why don't you just let him? if he makes a tit of himself, well so what? I guarantee that at some point in our lives we've all done the same.

Peace brothers.

― lexurian (lexurian), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 01:34 (nineteen years ago)

http://static.flickr.com/35/72637221_7335036303_m.jpg

― Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Wednesday, 2 August 2006 01:52 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.rodni.com/peace/brothers.jpg

― Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Wednesday, 2 August 2006 01:54 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.interpunk.com/itemimages2/53270.jpg

― Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Wednesday, 2 August 2006 01:55 (nineteen years ago)

http://home.worldonline.co.za/~afribeat/SA_DanceHipHop_Covers/brospeace.jpg

― Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Wednesday, 2 August 2006 01:57 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.blogwaybaby.com/uploaded_images/John%20Lennon%20Peace-785705.jpg

― Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Wednesday, 2 August 2006 01:58 (nineteen years ago)

Is that Louis on the right in the second picture?

― lexurian (lexurian), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 02:00 (nineteen years ago)

i have a problem with louis. his handle immediately makes me think it's nicole who's posted for some reason. i have no idea why. she must have had a handle that looked similar or something...?

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 07:42 (nineteen years ago)

Nicole was 'Lars and Jagger' for a while.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 07:49 (nineteen years ago)

lexurian OTM. enthusiastic, sinceref naivety is in, jaded cynicism is out.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 08:18 (nineteen years ago)

enthusiastic, sincere naivety = how we ended up iraq brutha!

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

no that was all planned but it IS how Nazi Germany started.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

It took *this* long to invoke the Nazis?!

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

There is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress.

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

That's a distortion of Godwin's Law though, such as it is. It actually just says: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

― Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

I know you got that from the wikipedia entry, gear. I just hate when people bitch about Godwin's Law and don't seem to know what it actually says. It's a pretty stupid law anyway.

― Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

BAN STEVE GOLDBERG

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

DON'T MIND IF I DO

― Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

OTM

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

xpost
xxpost

ON THE DING DING

XXX

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 3 August 2006 05:54 (nineteen years ago)

'enthusiastic, sincere naivety = how we ended up iraq brutha!

-- j blount, August 2nd, 2006.'

one of the most ill-informed things I have ever read on here.

― lexurian (lexurian), Thursday, 3 August 2006 11:10 (nineteen years ago)

how so?

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 3 August 2006 12:13 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.troubledteen.us/images/privpic.jpg

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 3 August 2006 12:20 (nineteen years ago)

s1ocki OTM

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 August 2006 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

Someone please make the thread end!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 3 August 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, sorry I should have locked it a while ago probably.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 3 August 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

eight months pass...

http://photos-376.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v59/118/91/507603881/n507603881_13376_4946.jpg

― JW, Friday, 13 April 2007 00:48 (eighteen years ago)

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