registration + password sending totally, 100% fucked (AKA NO NEW GOOGLERS)

Hubris consists in doing or saying things that cause shame to the victim, not in order that anything may happen to you, nor because anything has happened to you, but merely for your own gratification. Hubris is not the requital of past injuries; this is revenge. As for the pleasure in hubris, its cause is this: men think that by ill-treating others they make their own superiority the greater.

Copyright Wikipedia, etc.

And.... the relatively trivial (from my understanding of what the HTML filter can and can't do) changes to the codebase that would prevent CSS fuckery (which has been known about since at least 2004, I wager) haven't been implemented yet? Why not?

CSS fuckery which wouldn't even be an issue if you weren't on ILE (because you're the only person on there doing it/cares about it), you sandy vagina'd fascist

do admins on the board have access to the password database? I'd imagine YES because for god's sake the cookies contained everyone's passwords plain as day in the wayback machine. If yes, can someone be put in charge of password requests for the time being?

That said I've no fucking idea what Steve was hoping to achieve by banning Jon, other than unleashing an almighty CSS shitstorm when he inevitably works his way round the ban.

I've half a mind to unban him myself if only to minimise the damage, but then I'm about to go to the pub and don't particularly want it to all kick off in my absence.

Is the password DB even plaintext? ai yi yi!

Preventing CSS fuckery in the code base is not the HUGE TASK that it is made out to be, but like 2 lines of fucking code. But whatever, Canadians are fascists. (PS - Bluenazi, there's no logical reason to call me a fascist, you noodles-coddling internet hardman.)

Preventing CSS fuckery in YOUR OWN MIND isn't such a HUGE TASK either, everybody else on ILE seems to be able to do it except for you. Oh right, that's because we're all drooling retards who can barely even manage to use the shift key properly.

Why do you even want to post on ILE?

Why would I want to rewrite ILX?

The cookies used to contain the password in plaintext, but the database never did.

ESTEBAN and JAY BLANCHARD have been permabanned before.

You seem to have forgetten when you got banned during your little hissy fits.

Don't give a shit about as in having the whole thing rewritten?

Honestly, if you've had such big issues with ILX for so long, I don't see why you haven't just moved the Noise board offsite by now. Or are you just as lazy as we are?

whereas you're ALL about the logic...

good job it's only the internet and not real life huh?

That said I've no fucking idea what Steve was hoping to achieve by banning Jon, other than unleashing an almighty CSS shitstorm when he inevitably works his way round the ban.
I've half a mind to unban him myself if only to minimise the damage, but then I'm about to go to the pub and don't particularly want it to all kick off in my absence.

only way to piss him off as much as he pisses most other people off and is always funny to see him whining (well we can't have some morans accusing people of sycophancy to him the same way they accuse people today of sycophancy towards graham four years ago now can we?).

love how people cry 'fascist' at being banned when a few weeks back people wanted louis jagger or whoever banned for far more innocent shit.

You've confounded the issue of me being a huge jackass with "the noise board". (Pash doesn't seem to mind me I think). Anyway, is there a valid reason why I should be banned? Sure, maybe! But what's the point in banning my username when I can quickly, easily and reliably circumvent that - other than as a Canado-Fascist ego game?

I don't see why you haven't just moved the Noise board offsite by now. Or are you just as lazy as we are?

Someone brought up the possibility of exporting each board's data, which I asked for (on a thread, for fear of not wanting to sound overly entitled :/). Never heard about it again. It'd be hard to see people migrate without the archives. This is a bit much to ask for I know and I'm sure people (myself included) enjoy having the NB as part of ILX.

It is pretty clear that the ILX cabal as a whole has ceased to be very effective at maintaining the current codebase as something useful to users/moderators/etc. I'm hoping the new codebase will provide some fresh momentum, but if the administration change results in a Canado-fascist cabal more interested in being dicks than maintaining some semblance of community consensus, I'd consider taking my toys, preferably with a db dump, and leaving. But again, I'm sure most people on ILX like having the noise board part of it. I don't want to come across as an unappreciative dick to the current server admins / code cabal who spend their free time taking care of the problems; I really do understand what that entails.

I never get how you can post stuff like that and simultaneously be the source of those problems.

Eat a dick. The only thing I can be blamed for is html fuckery. Broken RSS, broken unread count, broken email system, broken search, poxy fules, broken search by ip, deleting messages causing poxy fules are all NOT MY PROBLEMS. You're fucking nuts, dude.

Donations stopped dead after you'd been in, too.

The thread is unfucked with now. Are they still not donating? Maybe all the people who care to donate shot their wads already? Seems like maybe you just don't like me and want to attack me!

I definitely don't know where you're coming from on this stuff though. You complain about broken shit when you're one of the few who could help fix it; you piss on threads where other people are trying to fix it; you grouse about how simple code fixes to stop, er, you haven't been done ... then you say you don't want to seem unappreciative. Eh? (I don't know why you -- or at least someone using yr images and styles -- tried to CSS bomb the sandbox, either, unless you just want to attack me!)

(The donations started again once it was cleaned up.)

I think EVERYONE agrees with you that there were things wrong with the code and it was frustrating a lot didn't get fixed, but for christs sake - these are people with full time jobs, this board doesn't pay anyone a dime to work on it, and as Andrew keeps trying to point out, a whole new codebase is on the way so harping on the problems of a board we're about to chuck into the ether is pointless.

I don't know what this is about either really. I'm not having a go at you personally in the slightest. I just don't understand why you think how you've made your point is helping anything, when all it is doing is pissing everyone off and making people (like me) who do actually like you, wonder wtf you're on.

No wait - it does. Just dont be suprised when people say "oh hey Jon, you're being a dick!".

I don't think you guys would LET ME me have access to stuff. I haven't seen the ilx code, but it doesn't take a lot to fix stuff like html validator bugs. At least I point shit out. Can you not take (mostly) constructive criticism?

- or at least someone using yr images and styles -- tried to CSS bomb the sandbox, either,

I was curious if it had been fixed there! KUDOS!

Thanks for a good response though.

I'm kind of taking the piss but Noodles (and the rest of his butt boys) has exhibited irresponsible behavior (editing my posts, taking over the noise board) as admin a number of times with no consequences (that I know of). Alan and everyone else I have no problem with and rather like.

re: your second paragraph, no fucking shit.

I'm not having a go at you personally in the slightest
Comparing someone to a bogeyman like Ann Coulter without any qualifications is pretty much the prototype of "ad hominem" if you ask me! Fuck off.

I'd like to think people can separate "being a dick" from "valid criticism" of ineptitude and administrative irresponsibility by admins.

I don't even know what we're arguing about anymore. I started THIS thread to point out how fucked the registration/password system has become, which is a pretty vital part of keeping ILX going and has NOT BEEN ADDRESSED (PUBLICLY) FOR MONTHS.

http://www.lilgeocartoons.com/celebrities/larry-cable-guy.GIF

Again sure: you do have valid points. Can't you just make them by emailing coders about them with workable solutions instead of messin' with shit? :/

*haha yeah shut up everyone

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You,_Dad!_I_Learned_it_From_Watching_You!

I've posted pretty much every code problem I've seen to the mod req or discussion board and I would link to them all RIGHT HERE... if search worked ;)

yr behavior is routinely as immature and obnoxious (and god knows as hateful) as jon's but he gets banned for it and you get mod powers?

routinely huh? and did you complain about jess just deleting threads ad infinitum on ILM because he and some people thought they were stupid or was that fine by you? why does attitude of me or noodles towards jon's behaviour annoy you more than other examples of what might be deemed abuse of power?

don't want to carry out silly vendettas, don't want ILE over-run by stupidity and contempt.

whoever else is too american for you

'too american for you'!! wtf does this even mean? what are you talking about? why are you obsessed with this american vs british thing? has this always been some strange fixation for you ever since you started reading/posting on ILE or just post-noise board? i can't remember you saying ridiculous shit like this three years ago but perhaps i'm mistaken. 'british noize board' is also a joke.

if you don't want contempt perhaps don't behave contemptibly

chicken vs egg

i mean if being an 'attention seeking pest' are all it takes to get banned how are kate st. claire or jagger or morbs or nude spock or squirrel police or or or many many others (read: everyone who has posted on ilx ever) not banned????

you're asking mods to practice consistency at all times in all situations? perhaps even have just one mod as there's always going to be differences of opinion as to what is ok to do and what's not ok to do? can't see that working either...

plus you make it sound like jon hasn't been back since being banned or was somehow deeply traumatised by the whole thing. please...

But then I'm assuming that both sides are now well over talking about the actual specifics of the situation and into just calling each other cunts for the sake of it. Feel free to carry on amongst yourselves.

what makes banning worse than thread deletion in this instance? (esp. as the bans tend to be so short-lived). trying to reason with jon is pointless - he will always do as he pleases (and how many times has this been said before?).

also how is 'consistency in banning' an outrageous request?

if you read, i did not say it was outrageous, just that it was unrealistic

why is suggesting that mods not engage in the very behavior they ban others for an outrageous request to you?

where did i css-bomb again?

I'd like to think that anyone engaging in CSS fuckery would be at least yellow carded, whoever it was.

consider the last time jon did it the yellow card then. in fact he would've had more than two on this basis (oh noes G Poll Syndrome). a ban (however temporary) becomes more of a 'sin bin' situation as a result. makes sense to me.

but perhaps from now on mods shouldn't bother taking the time to clean up other people's fuckwittery as petulant retaliation for not getting what they want at all. what suckers we are.

It's true, don't mind you at all, Jon. Cleaning up after CSS thread crapflooding is a big, big pain in the ass, though, and I must admit I've thought bad thoughts about you when I've had to do that in the past.

James, Jess isn't a mod on ILE, so he couldn't ban anyone even if he wanted to.

I think Steve does a pretty fucking good job as a moderator, personally.

The list of banned usernames on ILE mainly consists of spammers, bato sockpuppets, nude spock sockpuppets, people who post direct links to malware and racist trolls.

I removed Jon's posting ban. Any banning of Jon is always going to be temporary, as Andrew says below.

I would suggest that any banning be reactive rather than proactive, IE if it's necessary to ban individuals, do it based on what they've actually done at that point rather than anticipation, though I realise there's a grey area, and I have been proactive myself a couple of times.

a) only a temporary disciplinary measure, as we all know Jon being an elite hacker type can just get back in, and
b) pretty justified in response to css/image flooding an admin thread.

That people are surprised, and even outraged enough to rant about it at length, strikes me as disingenuous and needlessly sensitive.

Seriously, like, what the fuck.

http://ffaat.pointclark.net/blog/uploads/curry_chicken_noodles.quickblog.JPG

i assumed he was going for this

There is nothing more American than fake outrage alright

One day he got "drunk" and revoked all admin privs on the noise board. Also editing a number of posts over the years that he didn't like. I'm sure Graham has a particular beef with him too, but I mean, that's not exactly such a great argument.

Mean posts like the above one clearly demonstrate how awful those Cando-fascists really are. ;_;

And that has nothing to do with what you'd originally started this thread about. You fucked with the donation thread for some bizarre reason and got a timeout. I don't even know which mod banned you for it, but whoever it was was certainly justified in doing so. Anyways, It's over so get over it already.

i forget.

What gives admins and mods the right to act unilaterally for their own amusement? The fact that they're admins and mods. Whether you like it or not there are people who run this place and people who don't. I think for a volunteer-run internet forum this place has been run pretty even-handedly. If there was sufficient dissatisfaction about the way it was run, people wouldn't still be posting here. Other boards have been set up in indirect competition to ILX, with varying degrees of success. If Jon wants to set up his own noise board I'm all for giving him a slice of the database. (his mention of this in this thread is the first I've heard of that idea, by the way)

though, with everything truly separate and disparate, i wonder, what would people post about?

NO.

Andrew, you have some points and I'd be the biggest fascist dick in the world if ILX was my baby. However, there is a history of some kind of community consensus... Anyway, thanks for being nice.

And what exactly are you hinting at by saying that?

Bolton Wanderers holding down the little man

How do you like that, eh.