why was the tipping thread locked?

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Are people not allowed disagree with each other anymore? Or are people not allowed start new threads on old subjects?

― The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 21 January 2007 10:09 (nineteen years ago)

11:00 PM, 20 Jan 07 tipping locked thread by vita susicivus (exhausted topic/numerous older threads)

If only we could find them :-(

― StanM (StanM), Sunday, 21 January 2007 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

I did link to two older ones on that thread. It's a shame the others weren't as easy to find I agree. But we did have another thread (fite) about tipping TWO WEEKS AGO.

They all seem to descend into the same old parade of outraged Americans at the one or two Brits OR fellow Americans who still don't quite get it.

Or are people not allowed start new threads on old subjects?

It's not exactly something that has ever been encouraged on ILX ever is it? But some subjects really are more tired than others and this is surely one of them (others seemed to agree with this).

― vita susicivus (blueski), Sunday, 21 January 2007 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

$5 a beer doesn't make it any cheaper in the US than in the UK
and a pint's a pint
but presumably cutty's complaint is based on spirits not being poured liberally by hand (tho they are in my local bar :D in fact why i'm not there right now i have no idea)
-- vita susicivus (n...), January 20th, 2007 7:28 PM. (blueski) (later)

steve, you actually posted a few things on that thread other than links to previous threads. as such you must have felt there were things worth saying whether they had been said on previous threads or not. ILX is about getting involved in a discussion, surely, not reading old threads. if you thought it had all been said before why would you bother posting anything at all on that thread?

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 21 January 2007 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.thesonsofscotland.co.uk/images/about%20us/Yellow%20Card.jpg

(j/k)

― StanM (StanM), Sunday, 21 January 2007 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

I think I was just irked by the usual brit-baiting and it was a weak moment...

But why not just carry on the discussion on one of the threads linked to?

Do you think people should just be able to start the same discussions over and over again with no regard for previous threads on same (difficulty of finding them seems to be the only potential problem here but it's not that hard)?

― vita susicivus (blueski), Sunday, 21 January 2007 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

To be honest I don't think 'there are other threads on this topic' is a valid reason for locking any thread.

Also bearing in mind these threads are usually started by new people it probably doesn't even occur to them to use the search function, they may not even be aware it exists.

An extra thread on tipping is really not going to hurt anyone.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

That thread is totally hilarious! Why do people flip out so much over tipping? LOL @ everyone.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

Funniest posts from the prematurely-locked "tipping" thread

― The Bastard Cat (Dan Perry), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, I've unlocked it. And if the upshot of locking it in the first place is that we now have a 'why was the tipping thread locked?' and a 'funniest moments from the prematurely locked tipping thread' then we now have THREE pointless superfluous threads instead of one, and therefore down on the deal.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

^_^

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

To be honest I don't think 'there are other threads on this topic' is a valid reason for locking any thread.

Many many many (MANY) threads on ILX have been locked in the past on this basis.

Also bearing in mind these threads are usually started by new people it probably doesn't even occur to them to use the search function, they may not even be aware it exists.

And what tends to have happened in the past is that someone (often a stalwart like Ned) will point out to them it might be wise to use ths search function in advance next time and then link to a previous thread.

An extra thread on tipping is really not going to hurt anyone.

Feel free to go and unlock all the previously locked threads on a variety of subjects then...

I did actually ask on the thread whether I should lock it and two people immediately said yes. Then you have two or three people on this thread annoyed that it had been locked. But the point is I did not lock thread on a selfish whim and I don't understand why Dan went and started a thread on it instead of just quoting stuff on the Excelsior thread.

If the preference on ILX now (i expect a 'now' lol shortly) is to revisit the same old topics over and over again then woe betide any moderator spoiling their fun.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2935/16overruled6ix.jpg

― tony conrad schnitzler (sanskrit), Sunday, 21 January 2007 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

cuet

― vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

ILX: still tippin'

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

power struggle @ the top

― teh_kit (g-kit), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

keep those useful comments comin'!

― vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

Do you think people should just be able to start the same discussions over and over again with no regard for previous threads on same [...]?

Basically, yes. Long old threads are tiresome, and it is always nice to approach subjects anew.

― The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 28 January 2007 23:19 (eighteen years ago)

I agree, DV.

― KeefW (kmw), Sunday, 28 January 2007 23:33 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I think I agree too. I link to other threads quite a lot when I think they are relevant and can be added to rather than left as a relic of the past, but I'm also aware that new people add new perspective to old topics and sometimes a new thread is the answer to how that can be done. Not always, and it's a tricky one to judge, which is why I'm glad it's not my call.

(I think there should be separate tipping threads for Americans and not-Americans where we can discuss what is appropriate in places with different pay structures, rather than everyone going "pay my wages, customers" vs "get a real job where your employers do it, sucker", but that's just me)

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 28 January 2007 23:54 (eighteen years ago)

I was on the forums of a certain game some time back, and two of the rules they had were "do not start a new thread, use search" , and in the same breath "do not revive old threads". Um... wtf?

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 29 January 2007 02:50 (eighteen years ago)

hopefully there will be a new thread on tipping in a week or two where 'new perspectives' can be added.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 29 January 2007 11:07 (eighteen years ago)

I'm sure the ever-vigilant moderators will let us know if they aren't new enough.

― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 29 January 2007 13:33 (eighteen years ago)

Or at least continue to post "comments" later, because God knows what ILX needs is moderators making people feel silly for questioning their moderation. That "always" goes well.

― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 29 January 2007 13:39 (eighteen years ago)

hey making moderators feel silly is so popular now even other moderators are at it! but i never did anything that hadn't been done by other mods before.

*hands badge in, walks off into the sunset*

― vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 29 January 2007 13:45 (eighteen years ago)

Be fair Steve, I honestly wasn't actually trying to make you feel silly, I actually disagree with you! I mean, if you'd locked the thread and linked to the other tipping thread two posts in rather than waiting for the conversation to develop then fine, but once the thread has got going there's no real sense in locking it. There's never been a hard-and-fast rule about this and it would be impossible to enforce one with consistency anyway.

I have no interest in ever reading another discussion about tipping ever again but if people are going to talk about it they will, it doesn't make the blindest bit of difference whether they do so on a new thread or one from two years ago. I don't believe any new posters should feel obliged to read through a required reading list of old threads before venturing an opinion on a topic, even if the topic in question is boring as fuck to those of us who've been here for five years. It feels like unneccessary policing of the community and it robs it of a bit of that sponeneity you need. But then I tend to favour hands-off moderating anyway (exception, banning blatant trolls).

Also I thought that unlocking the thread would be preferable to a big fite about it on the ModReq board, but hey we got a thread full of snarky comments about it anyway so lose-lose.

But yeah, I honestly wasn't trying to get at you, I was perfectly happy to let this one lie until this thread was revived for no particular reason.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 29 January 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

*pops head up over horizon*
i should just be like jess and not explain my actions at all, maintain dignity, mystique and all that. i really hate the idea of old threads being ignored in favour of lazily starting a new one but that's me.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 29 January 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

if you'd locked the thread and linked to the other tipping thread two posts in rather than waiting for the conversation to develop then fine

I think this should become part of some kind of mod FAQ

― TOMBO7 (TOMBOT), Monday, 29 January 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

Sometimes it can be very, very difficult to find old threads, especially if a thread was deindexed for some reason which means it is IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND in our current search system so a little leniency is called for, at the very least for the time being. Possibly not so in this case but hey, rather a tipping thread separate from BLAM's barshift thread which was basically ruined by tipping discussion for a day.

― Allyzay doesnt get into the monkeys or vindications (allyzay), Monday, 29 January 2007 15:53 (eighteen years ago)

i wish lauren and s1ocki had come backed me up.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 29 January 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

Steve, I was trying to make you feel silly but it was coming from a place full of love and affection.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 29 January 2007 22:10 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, right. Cuddlestein Mountain.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 January 2007 23:46 (eighteen years ago)

SQUEE

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 00:13 (eighteen years ago)

1. Maybe someone could start a thread about why the tipping thread was unlocked. Roffles could ensue.

2. Maybe it would be nice if ILX was like other internet forums and the moderators had a sub-forum that lesser mortals could not see, in which they could discuss things among themselves (like, whether locking a particular thread would be a good idea) away from prying eyes, then presenting their decisions as ones emanating from a faceless collective.

― The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 10 February 2007 01:04 (eighteen years ago)

what makes you think there isn't one?

― stet (stet), Saturday, 10 February 2007 01:19 (eighteen years ago)

It's a good point.

― KeefW (kmw), Saturday, 10 February 2007 01:48 (eighteen years ago)

It's located here:

http://ilx.wh3rd.net/newquestions.php?board=15

Only mods can see the posts though.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 10 February 2007 01:55 (eighteen years ago)

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