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How complicated would it be to block boards/threads from being returned by a database query based on IP address?

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

complicated: no
useless: yes

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think I asked if it would be useless.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

killfiles, man. so good.

― jimbo (electricsound), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

Check your first post. You didn't ask. I offered the info because I am helpful. You're welcome.

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

"Helpful people are a nuisance." --R. Fripp

Sometimes I agree with this, sometimes not.

― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 25 January 2007 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

Why is everybody so cranky ~~all of a sudden~~?

― StanM (StanM), Thursday, 25 January 2007 11:02 (nineteen years ago)

Doesn't IP address cause problems with, for example, lots of people posting from a university?

― Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 25 January 2007 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

Yes.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 January 2007 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

So why would you want to do this Dan?

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 25 January 2007 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

it's for their own good.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 25 January 2007 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think he asked for ILX to do this.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 25 January 2007 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

Thank you, Curt1s.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 January 2007 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

Doesn't IP address cause problems with, for example, lots of people posting from a university?

University: not generally.

― UART variations (ex machina), Thursday, 25 January 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

If it's not about ILX, why is it here?

― stet (stet), Thursday, 25 January 2007 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

if we start banning specific ip addresses, then third world countries who provide thousands of people in nigeria with access all filtered through one address belonging to some isp in france will suffer!

― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Thursday, 25 January 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

was it almost all of estonia that got banned from wikipedia because of one troll recently, or was that some other country? (although estonia is far better as far as online access goes than african or middle eastern nations. i used to have an account on an estonian ftp site!)

― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Thursday, 25 January 2007 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

It is about ILX, yes, but it is a request for info about feasibility, not a request to implement the feature.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 January 2007 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

The next step.

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Thursday, 25 January 2007 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

It is the next step from blocking someone's ability to post to a thread.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 January 2007 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

We already have this feature. It's rubbish, because people can change their IP addresses pretty easily.

― stet (stet), Thursday, 25 January 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.enlartenment.com/journal/uploads/elbonia.jpg

― UART variations (-1 dilbert joek) (ex machina), Thursday, 25 January 2007 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

from being returned by a database query

Do you mean "can't see the boards/threads/messages in question at all" (since just reading a thread is also looking at the result of a query, in principle) or "doesn't get results from those boards/threads when actively searching" ? (or both? Because I can see both being useful in some cases)

― StanM (StanM), Thursday, 25 January 2007 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

As I understood it, Android is asking how to make certian posts/threads/boards totally invisible to a class of excluded users, based on their IP addresses.

― the new sincerity (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 25 January 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

OK, could be a good idea for some extreme cases but they'll still be able to see the google cache if the thread wasn't deindexed early enough.

― StanM (StanM), Thursday, 25 January 2007 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not really concerned about the Google cache. I'm also not totally hung up on using the IP address; it was just the first identifier for a poster that came to mind when I was posing the question.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 January 2007 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

The problem is, there is no 100% failsafe way to exclude someone if they really really want to f*ck things up.

- username: registration is open, anyone can register under another name
- email address the user info is sent to: hotmail, gmail, other open mail providers are allowed
- ip address: can be spoofed pretty easily
- say you could exclude machines (mac address?): that can be changed as well, and if you're in a computer room in a university you only have to move to another computer
- invitation only: too many users, no control over who invites who

:-/

― StanM (StanM), Thursday, 25 January 2007 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

OK, "normal" people would give up after a while, but someone who only gets angrier every time he encounters a block...

― StanM (StanM), Thursday, 25 January 2007 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

- ip address: can be spoofed pretty easily
It's pretty fucking hard to make TCP/IP connections from an ip address not on the same network segment as you. People can change IPs and use proxies but there are ways to block this.

― UART variations (ex machina), Thursday, 25 January 2007 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

I am not under any illusions that a 100% failsafe way to keep people off of a message board exists.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 26 January 2007 05:06 (nineteen years ago)

kill them and shred their remains?

― jimbo (electricsound), Friday, 26 January 2007 05:09 (nineteen years ago)

kill their parents before they procreate, but ok, I took it a little too far with the "there's no 100% method" - that wasn't the question.

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 26 January 2007 08:32 (nineteen years ago)

Dan this thread would have been a lot less like fumbling around in the dark and possibly more useful if you hadn't suddenly turned into Captain Cryptic, the one-line poster.

― stet (stet), Friday, 26 January 2007 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

All I wanted to know was whether sticking IP information (or another identifier) into the queries returning the topic/board lists would have enough of a negative impact on the performance of the board that it would be rendered unusable. I wanted to know this because I was trying to figure out if I felt like it was worth proposing as an additional moderator option/feature and that was the main technologic hurdle I saw in its way.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 26 January 2007 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

PLEASE BAN MICKEY

I BEG OF YOU

BAN HIM

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 26 January 2007 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

love ya too

― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Friday, 26 January 2007 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

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