Can We Please Ban This Asshole?

Why don't I like Bob Dylan?

Because sometimes people can't get past moral objections to artists as individuals, or don't want to get past them. (If you are missing the objection might even be: I am assuming this went back to the Apartheid era of South Africa. Also, the diamond trade throughout Africa is just incredibly destructive and is closely related to various ruthless military factions there, along with the usual story of benefiting outsiders and a small local elite, while in now way benefiting the local population in general. I'm not saying that's how it works in every country, but that's how it works in a lot of places there.) And it seems quite plausible that he would have had such investments. Maybe he had some Israeli chums get him set up during his period of celebrating Israel as neighborhood bully (not sure he's ever backed away from that), given that Israelis are among the biggest investors in Africa's diamond trade, and given it was one of the countries with the closest relationship to Apartheid South Africa.

― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:17 PM (1 month ago)

Recommend me some Israeli music/music in hebrew

This thread (or at least the Israeli-related portion of it) is the equivalent of casually discussing the enjoyment of white South African music would have been back in the late 80s. Personally, I would be ashamed, especially if I were part of the group in whose name Israel was created.

― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, February 13, 2010 11:14 AM (5 hours ago)

This is what yr SB button's for? I mean I disagree obv but is this stuff worse than many comments from much-loved regulars re: Israel?

There's a difference posting it here the USA, Israel, and national interest and going and trolling it on any tangentially (or in Bob Dylan's case totally unrelated) ILM thread.

Ah yeah didn't see that.

tangentially (or in Bob Dylan's case totally unrelated) ILM thread

did you not read the previous two posts in that thread?

Yeah, someone said, "Oh, I once heard Bob Dylan owned some diamond mines," and then this guy said, "MAYBE HIS SECRET CABAL BUDDIES IN ISRAELI GOVERNMENT HOOKED HIM UP WITH SOUTH AFRICAN DIAMOND MINES OWNERS."

what's worse is that if he wanted to bring politics into the israeli music thread, there are a hundred intelligent ways he could've done it. israeli music tends to be very conscious of politics and there's tons of pockets of political resistance, leftism, etc. but instead he just compared everyone with an interest in israeli music to apartheid-supporters.

Anthony Scaduto [in his book, Bob Dylan] suggests that he started studying Hebrew. Not one to do anything by half mea­sures, Dylan apparently made contact with the right-wing Jewish Defense League, whose extreme Zionist national­ism was fascistic. Dylan was later photographed at the Western Wall in Jerusalem, wearing tallit (prayer shawl) and tefillin (phylacteries) on the occasion of his son's Bar Mitzvah.

www.myjewishlearning.com/culture/2/Music/American_Jewish_Music/Rock_Music/Bob_Dylan.shtml

the suggestion that his investment in israeli diamond mines (not an especially common thing for nebulously leftist singer songwriter perhaps) might have been initiated by israeli friends scarcely seems scurrilous, unless you're citing a compulsion to talk repeatedly (twice?) about israeli malfeasance as pathological in itself

tbh this person might be foaming themselves to sleep with the protocols as i type for all i know but yr sliming of them as a cabal seeking antisemite on this evidence is as shoddy and 'shrill' as their indiscriminate anti israel shit

that quote does an excellent job of bringing together jewish cutoms with FASCIST ZIONIST NATIONALSM. can't see why anyone would have a problem with it.

ha I was wondering what was fascist about being a Jew wearing Jewish clothing at a Jewish sacred site.

_Rudipherous_? more like jews do fear us

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ViewUserProfileControllerServlet?messageid=1361070&boardid=41&threadid=41397

yikes

lol self-sabotage via rarely-used "info" page

that quote does an excellent job of bringing together jewish cutoms with FASCIST ZIONIST NATIONALSM. can't see why anyone would have a problem with it.

the quote is shitty yeah but it's from a jewish site and was only using it to suggest the 'israeli chums' claim wasn't totally apocryphal

userinfo is evidence for the success of don't ask don't tell right? unless they start posting that shit all the time

"Dylan apparently made contact with the right-wing Jewish Defense League"

wtf does that even mean?

i sb'd in solidarity

How does 1 even change their ilx info page?

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Pages/editprofile.jsp

Writers on Dylan have said that he attended JDL meetings and talked with its leader. Time ran an interview where he praised that leader. The Anti-Defamation League says that the JDL is founded on racism, violence and political extremism, & the FBI called it a "violent extremist Jewish organization". So i guess it means all that.

In a 1971 interview, Bob Dylan made positive comments about Kahane. In Time Magazine, Dylan stated, "He's a really sincere guy. He's really put it all together."[23] According to Kahane, Dylan did attend several meetings of the Jewish Defense League in order to find out "what we're all about"[24] and started to have talks with the rabbi.[25]

this from wiki and the first source link is dead

kahane probably not good people but 'fascistic' is all wrong and yeah i rly should have found a better quote cos i wasn't trying to make a case for dylan as a kahanist (doesn't interest me either way)

i think mordy should ask this person to stfu and don't ask for them to be banned just yet, though i may be too generous in considering that such virulent dislike of irael _might_ not conceal racism

this guy is/was rockist scientist? always seemed like a good poster to me.

from what i'm reading, he checked out the jdl 30 years ago, didn't dismiss them out of hand, and then moved on to his next phase. i'm sure he associated with/praised some dumbasses during his xtian period too. lol @ "israeli chums" tho.

lol I thought you were talking about rockist scientist there

no one said diff, velko, but you asked what it meant.
xp lol

i dunno, the evidence that the diamond mines stuff isn't scurrilous seems pretty flimsy, is all. guess i was responding to nakhchivan more than you.

yeah yr probably right but the refrains about apartheid/africa suggests a closer affinity to thirdworldist pleading than conspiracy nonsense and wanted further evidence which the userinfo provides

you're citing a compulsion to talk repeatedly (twice?) about israeli malfeasance as pathological in itself

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you're citing a compulsion to talk repeatedly (twice?) about israeli malfeasance as pathological in itself

― sleeve, Saturday, 13 February 2010 23:03 (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

lol u think
as a nu ilxor it's interesting to see how intra board politicking works wrt the litmus test of an israel row, if only at a meta level and on a mistaken premise (hi jimmy!)

speaking for me, and not all the mods, i'm going to say go for voting sb if you want, but this isn't really at the level of bannable offense imo

xp, if you think my problem with the comments are simply a "compulsion to talk repeatedly" then I don't know what to say. i think those comments are, on their own, self-evidently problematic.

Personally, I would be ashamed, especially if I were part of the group in whose name Israel was created.

ok, i just went through the last month of posts from this dude and (out of lots and lots of posts) there isn't anything else that touches on this same subject, so i'm willing to say that this is a non-issue, although yeah i get where the second cited post might raise some concerns. To keep this from degenerating into something weird, i'm going to lock this thread, but if mordy or anyone else has further concerns or instances you think should be noted, please feel free to email me about it.