image bombing

ILM July Madness: FINAL FOUR ---------- (TAKE TWO, vote again if you voted in that other one, sorry)

Can someone please temp ban iatee and/or clean up the image bombing?

This kind of thing is generally frowned upon, on ILM, as I understood it.

actually as the creator of the thread I approve of the imagebombing

if you would like to create your own thread to discuss these issues with your friends, I think that might be a good idea

Actually, I think you'll find due to long standing protocol, thread starters do not actually own threads, and image bombing is generally considered a temp ban offense no matter who does it. You do not have the right to shut down other people's discussions simply because you do not agree with them.

http://www.nataliedee.com/012506/maracas.jpg

idk, considering how incredibly uncivil the discussion on that thread got just before the image bomb my vote is to let it stand. if i thread ban peeps for both image bombing and unsolicited personal attacks that thread is going to just be crickets and metal poll infomercials

other mods can do whatever they like, however

It's on the level of two kids in the back seat of a car.

"Mom and Dad, iatee shot me with a rubber band!"
"It slipped!"

iatee, quit image bombing the thread please.

Actually, I think you'll find due to long standing protocol, thread starters do not actually own threads,

K8, I thought you didn't accept this as established precedent; it's good to know that you do, thanks.

is it unreasonable to ask tuomas/lex/kate to take their stuff elsewhere? 'questioning the canon' is not the purpose of the thread and so they've added about 300 posts that are off subject. this is a game that takes 'the canon' as a given and that was made clear w/ the first thread. if you don't want to interact with something like that, fine, but let people who want to interact w/ it have their fun.

Is it unreasonable to ask? No, it's not unreasonable to ask. It is kind of third-grade to respond to their threadjacking with imagebombing though.

they'd been asked multiple times by multiple people. perhaps I should have just straight up asked the mods. is there a way to prevent them from trolling the final thread? this is two threads in a row for tuomas, fwiw.

The Canon

Revived.

You know, since I am regularly told that I do not "own" the threads I start I do not think it is unreasonable to ask that other people are held accountable to the same standards as I am. But since it now seems to be mod policy that imagebombing is now A-OK standard practice, I shall keep that in mind when I believe other people are "insulting" me by disagreeing with my opinions. Good to know. Thanks.

No where did anyone say imagebombing is a-ok standard practice. Get off it.

iatee, quit image bombing the thread please.
iatee, quit image bombing the thread please.
iatee, quit image bombing the thread please.
iatee, quit image bombing the thread please.
iatee, quit image bombing the thread please.

mod bomb

You know, since I am regularly told that I do not "own" the threads I start I do not think it is unreasonable to ask that other people are held accountable to the same standards as I am. But since it now seems to be mod policy that imagebombing is now A-OK standard practice, I shall keep that in mind when I believe other people are "insulting" me by disagreeing with my opinions. Good to know. Thanks.

― The Milkman's Wife (Masonic Boom), Saturday, July 24, 2010 3:13 PM (50 minutes ago)

two points

1. i was pretty clear in the initial response that image-bombing is not ok, but also felt that it had been done in response to some pretty dismissive and insulting lanugage being thrown around on that thread, so my intention was to let everyone cool down and move on without doing a bunch of thread bans until tensions eased up. This has set no precedent whatsoever for future mod responses to image bombing - it is obv a case by case scenario.

2. the language on that thread from several posters was actually insulting no quotes, not simple disagreement. when you use "idiot" and "brainwashed" in a post to describe the opinions of another poster, that moves pretty clearly beyond debate and into the realm of the personal.

not trying to extend the debate or point fingers at anyone here, i just dont want any lack of clarity to come back and haunt us in the future re: mod policy.

and yes as a guy that is often kind of a jerk in discussions on this board and has totally gone w/personal snide attacks in the heat of the moment i recognize the pot/kettle aspects of me saying this, but im trying to speak w/MOD HAT on here.

again, can kate/lex/tuomas be warned off the final thread (unless they're willing to take the thread for what it is - a meaningless distraction modeled on...a college basketball tournament)?

this cannon bombing must end

I am well aware that I am held to a different standard of accountability on this forum than other people are.

That other people can post in a manner that is snarky, or sarcastic or general internet dismissive tone, and they do not get the level of condemnation that I get. That people feel they have the right to police my behaviour while ignoring others who behave in exactly the same way.

(And I do know this for a fact, as the sockpuppets I've had over the years have interacted in exactly the same manner as me, and never got the same level of opprobrium - and again, while banned, seeing some random WATMM-er that joined the forum, and no one noticed him until the rumour went round that he was "me" and suddenly he started getting shit.)

That at least two other people on the same thread said something to the effect of "Beatles v Stones = boring" before I said the same thing, without being told that it was "rude" to express this opinion. People got increasingly insulting towards me, I got increasingly insulting back, until I let loose with the rather tame "idiot" and "brainwashing." (Honestly, ILX would be a tea party if THIS were the most insulting it ever got.) And if it *was* perceived as a clusterfuck, well, it was not as if it was just me, Lex and Tuomas talking amongst ourselves. Why are the other people carrying on the clusterfuck not singled out for attention?

We were engaging in some fairly ordinary Saturday afternoon banter until iatee suddenly started throwing his toys out of the pram. So you're giving the message that it's fine to image-bomb and accuse people of trolling simply for disagreeing with you in the same snarky tones that you are using with them - SO LONG AS you pick people that ILX has already demonised for daring to hold minority opinions and defend them.

If I'm to be demonised for my past actions of trying to police my own threads, or for image-bombing or for being "insulting" then I want other people held accountable to the same standards.

And you've got iatee *still* acting like a schoolchild and demanding to have those uppity people removed from his threads for daring to interact with his ideas in ways that he doesn't like instead of acting like a grown up and either ignoring it or installing a killfile on his machine.

I am probably going to get more shit for this post, I've learned not to bother asking for moderation - that even to ask is to have my character and behaviour opened up for a 200-post dissection, but I am just sick of being held to a different standard than others. I am sick of it.

here was the extent my 'ideas in the thread':
beatles >>>> stones
vu >>>>>> prince

you were not 'interacting with my ideas', you were arguing with the idea of the thread itself - which is gonna be off-topic w/ every thread that isn't named 'this thread is an argument about whether this thread should exist'. it exists. it has a given theme - interact w/ it on its terms, ignore it, create a better alternative - whatever you want. but there are literally like 20 better threads in which you could be having the discussion you wanted to be having, and in those threads you could:

1. express 100% of your thoughts on the white male canon and nobody would stop you
2. not derail what had been a benign game for 100 other ilxors

extent of my*

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=77&threadid=79754

oh shit, why did I post that, forgot it was on 77. please delete mods, attempted joke fail, sorry

this was quality image bombing, iatee

no one is being held to a different standard of accountability here. in fact, no mod action whatsoever was taken against anybody, and the only person who was asked to change their behavior directly by a mod was iatee, so i really dont see what you are trying to get at here MB.

btw i would really like to lock this thread since we are past the point of any mod action requests, but i dont want to prevent people from responding if they feel it necessary. however, if this is still not really going anywhere in an hour other than circular discussion i am prob going to wrap it up.

eh I'm disappointed that none of you seem interested in shutting down the next clusterfuck before it starts. lock away.

dude i am definitely not willing to mod by warning peeps not to post in certain threads - that would be super lame

THAT BEING SAID if the response to this thread is anyone image-bombing or obviously off topic derailing the final thread in an attempt to prove a point i will say right now that will earn a thread ban.

policy sounds good to me

You do not have the right to shut down other people's discussions simply because you do not agree with them.

ironical

I think you're right john that warning people off threads is lame as a starting principle. The problem with "off topic" is it's sometimes obvious when a thread has been derailed, but the tracks leading to the derailment can be totally on topic - on the March Madness polls you've really got an invitation for 8 or 4 or eventually 2 "Classic or Dud" debates on each thread, and if playing two artists off against each other's got any point then part of the point is for people to get a little heated defending or berating the acts. So it's a straight line from "Beatles Suck", "No, Stones Suck" to "They both suck". It's how people express that or how other people read that expression that creates the problems. But in this case I don't think "these bands are boring" is really off topic or a full-blown derailment.

Maybe people should put a KIP tag in the title of threads where they don't want any negativity at all, but I don't see how you can have a "taking sides" thread without some pies being thrown.

And we have the SB button for times when that's not satisfactory?

kate you persisted to make posts about the canon being boring on that thread, and people responded to you in ways that were sometimes kinda polite and sometimes kinda impolite. i don't know why this is a surprising result. I mean, this was a pretty inflammatory post iirc:

Well, congratulations on ending up on yet another discourse that boils down to discussing the artistic merit of the Beatles vs. the Rolling Stones. That's so exciting, it's NEVER been done before, so fresh and new, never seen that kind of thing done before on a messageboard.

― Masonic Boom, Friday, July 23, 2010 10:10 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I know this is probably just going to make things worse but whatever.

people arguing with you does not mean people are dismissing your argument or not taking it seriously

NV, to clarify, when i said obviously off topic up there i'm talking something incredibly intentional, like discussing the weather for 40 posts or something, not discussion of the bands or music or whatever.

No I thought that was what you meant I was just throwing in my two cents about derailments being a tough call mostly.

oh right on

abt a year ago iatee started a st etienne vs stereolab thread where we had this, v. unedifying, exchange:

ilx stereolab love is up there w/ ilx cure love in the 'have i fallen into some weird alt universe of shitlove' stakes

― Ward Fowler, Sunday, 15 March 2009 20:20 (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^^ boring

plz spend your time on this thread explaining why you like saint etienne instead of talking about alternate universes

― iatee, Sunday, 15 March 2009 20:37 (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

poll results are only valid in this universe, for the record

― iatee, Sunday, 15 March 2009 20:38 (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

"So many people can now experience the real thing, they don't have to listen to fucking Stereolab" - Steven Stapleton

― Ward Fowler, Sunday, 15 March 2009 21:07 (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

why don't you go listen to some gregorian chants

― iatee, Sunday, 15 March 2009 21:09 (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes, can do that while slagging off stereolab, no probs

― Ward Fowler, Sunday, 15 March 2009 21:13 (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

now im kinda embarrassed by my own basic trolling/challopsing/whatevs, but my feeling is that once you've started a public thread on a public board - especially one that includes a 'versus' in the question - you have to learn to live w/ ANY thoughts/expressions posted, even if they don't match yr thread expectations/reinforce yr own tastes, rather than peevishly suggest ppl fuck off

my thread expectations were people saying more interesting things than "have i fallen into some weird alt universe of shitlove' stakes" like explaining why they liked or disliked things?

also I don't even know who you are dude so it's weird that you are coming back to haunt me or something

i don't know who you are either - i've been posting here since 2001, dunno when u got here - i just remember you as this huffy guy who wants to regulate how ppl post, and this latest dingdong seemed like an even more huffy replay of that

if calling your post boring and asking you to elaborate on your thoughts instead of making trolly posts is 'regulating' then yeahhh regulators mount up.

and despite 'not knowing who I am' you seem to remember that experience so boldly that you were willing to go searching for some old quote that makes you look bad just so you could dive into a clusterfuck argument that didn't involve you?

I mean I'll apologize for sure - not even being sarcastic - if what I said hit you hard enough that you remember it a year later, then clearly it was stronger than intended.

you GUYS

JEEEEZ

thread delivers

Popcorn.gif for sure

UH i posted 11 maracas.jpg and now there is ONLY 1, plz RETURN 10 maracas.jpg to me ASAP

thread delivers

― pieter brogel the elder (history mayne), Saturday, July 24, 2010 7:28 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it's just a 'lil internet ya'll

http://www.webweaver.nu/clipart/img/entertainment/music/maracas.gif

but my feeling is that once you've started a public thread on a public board - especially one that includes a 'versus' in the question - you have to learn to live w/ ANY thoughts/expressions posted

wow such bullshit

http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/PopularMechanics/2-1952/self_anesthetic.jpg

iatee, i really wasn't looking for an apology (but thank you anyway), and i REALLY wasn't seething or upset abt that old exchange. i don't get into too many arguments on ilx, so i do tend to remember the few that i've had over the years - besides, it literally took me all of like thirty seconds to find the 'relevant' quote.

i guess my point is, i don't think telling ppl to go away from a thread - even if they're annoying you - is a v. good strategy or technique, and i sincerely believe that you will have a better time of it on ilx if you ignore the trolls and troublemakers. that's all, and i'm not going to post on this thread again. cool?

The idea that you can ringfence this or that discussion against dissenting opinion/s is something that is not going anywhere here. This has never been the case here and it never will be. Plenty of discussions over the years have had people challenging the assumptions behind them, or even been derailed onto some other topic altogether, this is part of the nature of it being a public discussion board, not a blog. Nobody is going to get "warned off" a thread.

Imagebombing is not OK. It has never been OK, it never will be OK. OK?