New York City is for sellouts

But as a side note Steve, don't ramble on in and make threats on a random website. And for godsake learn a little server administation.

2. I'm not making idle threats. While I may lack adequate financial resources to force you guys to stop stealing from me, I'm not the only one you are stealing from, and some of the other *victims* have demonstrated a willingness to apply their considerable financial and more importantly LEGAL resources to get scofflaws such as you folks to cease ILLEGAL activity.

3. Don't assume that I lack knowledge of Systems Adminstration. Just because I'm demanding that you cease stealing (or attempting to steal) from me doesn't mean that I'm incapable of implementing technical barriers to your criminal activity. I shouldn't have to force you to obey the law. It's not my responsibility to prevent you from stealing. The shoplifter can't defend himself by saying, "the storekeeper should have locked up his merchandise more securely."

4. My threats are not idle. The Clock is ticking. If the admins of this site were vigilent about preventing and removing casual copyright violations, there would be nothing to worry about. But it's clear to me that casual theft of services and copyright violations are happily tolerated by management and encouragedby administrators.

5. You guys are straight up rude and unapologetic about your thievery. If I was doing something that I wasn't supposed to be doing (especially something illegal), and there was a very real threat that there could be a price exacted for my behavior, I don't think I'd be nearly as cocky or rude as the people around here have been.

6. I didn't start this fight. Ally did when he/she started stealing from me. Yes, the theft is small, but it is theft.

7. Stevem is my name, unfortunately I share it with the likes of you. I'd be happy to see you use a more accurate name, like copyright-violator, or petty-theft-justifier, but I doubt that's gonna happen any time soon. I'll have to get over it. So will you.

8. If I don't do a search for copyright violations and deep linking on your site, someone else may do it. You guys seem like the type that make enemies. With the rampant copyright violations and lack of interest on the part of management for removing or preventing this behavior, it won't be hard for someone/anyone to cause you considerable grief. Or another way of looking at it is that if you are bent over with your pants down, someone is likely to come along and.... well, you get the point -- or at least you will.

9. It's time for you guys to clean house and stop stealing. Copyrights are a serious legal issue. Terms of use are enforceable. There are companies out there that are dogged in their protection of their intellectual property.

10. it's past time for you guys to learn some manners. When you are caught with your hand in the cookie jar. Remove you hand from the jar, and at least mouth the words, "I'm sorry".

Cheers!

Stevem

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/18/elec04.prez.main/top.dean.postprimary.ap.jpg

You still have a big problem.

You have more (apparent) copyright violations on the "New York City is for Sellouts" page than Brittney Spears has dark roots. I grabbed the source for the current incarnation of the page and grepped out the img src tags. I went through the first several links. All but one web site has a stated copyright that (unless you have permission -- yeah right) you are violating. Here's the list with my notes inline. After the first several entries, I've stopped checking. However if the thread is not pulled and you continue to (apparently) steal copyrighted material, I will make it a point to go through the thread, and send an email to each of the domain admins making them aware of your usage. I will also notify your hosting and dns providers. Copyright violations, while all too common, are serious offenses. Some people make their living with the intellectual property. It's a triple whammy to steal the use of the image, steal the bandwidth to serve it, and then give no credit to the photographer. It's a crappy thing to do. If you don't like the copyright law, try to change them, but until they are changed, they are the laws, and there are consequences for violatiing them. If you hadn't stolen from me, I wouldn't be holding you accountable.

It really is time that you became a responsible member of the Internet community. Alsmost every site, especially anything of an artistic or commercial nature, has a copyright attached to it. Many sites are happy to share their content. However you MUST ask for permission and abide by any posted policies. Blaming a google search, or being too lazy to request permission is no defense. I can't believe that nobody has called you on your outrageous violation of the rights of people and companies that are kind enought to make content available on the Internet.

Here's the list of embedded images from the New York City is For Sellouts thread:

http://www.hollyeats.com/images/New%20York/Hallo-Menu.jpg
Copyright  2000 - 2001 - 2002 - 2003 by Holly Moore - All rights reserved.   Pictures or text may not be used  without
permission.  Prior permission must be received before using  any HollyEats.Com photographs.  Site and page linkings from your
site to HollyEats.Com are  welcome and encouraged.

http://www.photo.net/photo/pcd1253/bum-15th-street-59.jpg
http://www.photo.net/terms-of-use
Prohibited Usage of the Site
The materials available through the Site are the property of photo.net or its licensors (the users), and most of the
materials are protected by copyright, trademark and other intellectual property laws. Furthermore, photo.net has expended its
resources to gather these materials and to publish them or to make them available to its users. You agree not to reproduce or
distribute, or cause to be reproduced or distributed, any material on the Site, without the express prior permission of both
photo.net and, in the case of copyrighted materials, the copyright owner, except for such reproduction as occurs in the
normal course of reading or viewing the materials using a Web browser. Requests for permission to reproduce or distribute
materials found on the Site should be sent both to photo.net and the original author of those materials. You acknowledge that
photo.net and the copyright holders will be significantly damaged by Your violation of this section in a manner that would
require immediate injunctive relief. You are not relieved of your duties under this section because material was posted
anonymously or under a pseudonym, because you cannot locate the copyright holder, because the materials are in the public
domain, because the materials are available on any other web site or in some other form, or because you have the permission
of either the copyright holder or photo.net, but not both.

http://www.sixfoot6.com/photos/ryan/nyc/river4bridgewide.jpg
has a liberal usage policy under the "creative Commons". However in the absence of a proper attribution, this link is in
violation.  See http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/1.0/ for details.

http://www.tribeofman.com/images/NEW%20YORK%20CITY%2311.jpg
from the frontpage of this site: http://www.tribeofman.com

http://www.liberty-stone.com/oystercounter.jpg
no copyright notice on their website, but that does not mean that they have given up all rights to the content of their
website. In the absence of permission, the owners of the website could claim copyright violation.
http://forgotten-ny.com/CEMETERIES/Prospect%20cemetery/prosp6.jpg
(C) 1999-2004 Midnight Fish

http://toddcam.com/site/nycity/helltcpx.jpg
this site has a rolling/flash banner indicating that all images are copyright owned by the photographer
http://www.worldsbestbars.com/images/bars/22_big.jpg
http://forgotten-ny.com/Alleys/GREENWICH%20VILLAGE/grove3.jpg
http://camelot.mssm.edu/~andrei/pictures/snowing%20over%20central%20park.jpg
http://www.lehigh.edu/~inctbuh/htmlfiles/featured_buildings/big_imgs/citicorp3.jpg
http://www.norfolkwindmills.com/images/circlecruise.jpg
http://www.graffiti.org/nyctrains/blend.jpg
http://www.graffiti.org/nyctrains/character.jpg
http://www.umass.edu/tei/ogia/gallery/newyork/subway.jpg
http://www.marcwinnat.com/mw3.jpg
http://www.fenichel.com/72sub-2754-m.jpg
http://www.urban75.org/photos/newyork/images/ny376.jpg
http://www.fenichel.com/AnsoniaVerdi2751-m.jpg
http://www.forgotten-ny.com/STREET%20SCENES/street%20clocks/stein.jpg
http://www.frankjump.com/046.jpg
http://www.missingfoundation.com/images/logo001.gif
http://www.rushmillerfoundation.org/FOA%20-%20FDNY%20L-35.jpg
http://www.sorabji.com/1999/february/4/bull_1.jpg
http://www.brooklyngreenway.org/images/BWGSunset.jpg
http://www.buildingsrus.co.uk/montreal_scrapbook/new_york/staten_sillouette.jpg
http://www.forgotten-ny.com/STREET%20SCENES/prospectarches/boulderbridge1.JPG
http://www.forgotten-ny.com/STREET%20SCENES/prospectarches/ambergill2.JPG
http://www.pbs.org/jazz/images/places/times-square-2.jpg
http://www.evanzucker.com/times%20square%20billboard.jpg
http://www.dabitz.com/albums/BearMountain/aaa.jpg
http://www.payphone-project.com/payphones/photos/usa/212/square.jpg
http://www.stat.uiuc.edu/~masha/nyc/met1.jpg
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hp/mastervision/guggenheim.jpg
http://www.modern-ruins.com/bronx/pinkbldg2.jpg
http://www.dvdtalk.com/images/BMA.jpg
http://www.bigappleweb.vitare.de/sightsee/san_gennaro.gif
http://www.mrwiggleshiphop.net/Resource-796/BRONX.jpg
http://medlem.spray.se/johanochelin/chinatow.jpg
http://www.cap.bnl.gov/nufact03/campus_lo2-020924c.jpg
http://www.engineering.columbia.edu/admissions/grad/photos/neighborhood_stjohns.jpg
http://www.jericbarnes.com/shp/columbia/images/large_columbia_statue.JPG
http://www.kajagoogoo.com/Images/albums/limahl/limahl_7_neverending_german_a.jpg
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2002/01/18/LIMAHL.JPG
http://www.demotelco.com/fb/photo/resources/217114166216105612301474000001/ned.jpg?tw=450&th=450
http://www.rioc.com/tram.gif
http://www.teresco.org/pics/signs/20010629/iowa2.jpg
http://www.artseensoho.com/MAPS/MapGIFS/nsgreene002.gif
http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/pg2/2002/0123/photo/a_tyson_i.jpg
http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/pg2/2002/0123/photo/a_tyson_i.jpg
http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/pg2/2002/0123/photo/a_tyson_i.jpg
http://www.ryman-novel.com/car1/dumb-bell.gif
http://www.funny--pictures.com/pictures/i_see_dumb_people.jpg
http://www.totalvelocity.com/sb/campaign/images/SB_lights_729_xp.gif
http://www.lalc.k12.ca.us/uclasp/urban_science/urban_bestiary/mouse_math.gif
http://bs20002.tripod.com/006.jpg
http://www.jagweb.com/jaguarmodelclub/TVjags/Quadrophenia-1.jpg
http://unit.bjork.com/77island/77island/images/alarmcall61big.jpg
http://www.mountainmantaxidermy.com/images/gallery/BeesNestBlackBear.jpg

http://www.ap.org/pages/aptoday/ap_todayfaq.html

This is not rocket science guys. In fact it's very simple if you don't have permission, and the intellectual property is not in the public domain, you shouldn't use it.

Here is a really good general description. It includes a discussion of "linking issues":

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

If you carry on stealing my oxygen, who might I complain to?

Burying your head in the sand and ignoring activity that is taking place on this very message board, activity likely a violation of copyright law, is not going to protect you or the owners of the board. I'm not saying that you can't share interesting or exciting web content. Just do it in a way that is respectful of the owners of the content that you wish to share.

Lots of people post links to my web site, or even sections of the website. I only have a problem when links are created in such a way as to disguise the source of my work without permission. I become particularly peeved when people are making money with my images, or blow me off when I try to assert my right to control how my images are used.

For example, I spent about 20 hours in the last 3 days shooting, editing and posting images of the recent weddings here in San Francisco. I've offered those images to the people getting married free of charge or restriction. However I've specifically forbidden conservative causes to use these images of same-sex weddings for any purpose. It's my right as the photographer to have this control. It's my hard work and investment in equipment that made those photos possible. To have somone not respect my wishes, and ignore the law at the same time is insulting and irritating. I'm not the only copyright holder that feels his way. There is a reason that many of the sites you guys link to have an "all rights reserved" copyright statement.

Some web site owners will almost certainly not be concerned at all about how you guys are linking to their content. However some will share my perspective if they realize they are serving up their work, using their bandwidth and getting no credit for it. It shouldn't be a matter of you guys clearing it out once somone complains. You should be proactive in obtaining permission and link to web pages rather than inline (hidden) references to images.

I know I'm irritating. I know this topic isn't sexy. I know you all wish I'd just quietly die along with this thread. But I empatically believe it's possible for you guy to have your fun and do it in an ethical and legal way that rewards and respects the people whose work you highlight.

This whole episode aside, if someone came to me and asked to link to one of my images on my server, and include a URL pointing at my site as a photo credit so that I get credit and maybe traffic, I'd most likely be fine with that... I believe many other artists/photographers/writers would feel the same way.

What we do in a more proactive way is another matter. There are hundreds of people posting images here, and this is not a tightly moderated place. I'm not interested in trying to track back every image, work out if there is a copyright issue, and so on; and how do we stop risky linking without preventing you from posting images from your own site, for instance?

I forwarded the full message headers to the moderators group.

http://www.templetons.com/brad/linkright.html

so, really, any talk of "illegality" is entirely premature. it's certainly sound policy to remove inlined images when they're complained about by someone with relevant standing, there's certainly nothing to worry about in general terms. although, yes, crediting sites is always polite.

but, mr. photographer, if it's something you're going to get so worked up about, as suggested, you should work with your provider to disable offsite inlining. while you want to work from the assumption that there's some consensual internet norm against it--there just quite simply isn't, as i'm sure the evidence of your daily life actually proves to you.

http://www.shooter.net/index.php/weblog/Item/you-are-soooo-busted/

not paranoid at all

Who is spying on whom?

Okay, you gigantic screaming freakshow!