agree with this, but in a sense that's true of literature in general.
true I don't think Moorcock is particularly unique in this regard.
I do think the extent to which he has developed his "multiverse" concept is audacious and unusual, it goes a bit farther than most authors' self-contained literary worlds. And it's also a good deal sloppier and more carefree than Moore's uber-referentialism in LOEG. Moorcock has different people pop up here and there and makes very obvious nods/homages/pastiches to various forms and characters but he doesn't overstuff every narrative other people's creations.
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 13 April 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
Love the caption:
http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg857/scaled.php?tn=0&server=857&filename=rwojr.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 13 April 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
the BBC would never use the term "Mall Santa"
― Number None, Friday, 13 April 2012 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
I assuming there should be no need to point out that caption was added later, right?
― Pheeel, Friday, 13 April 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
duh.
Still funny. And accurate.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 13 April 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
You'd be surprised how many people seem to think it's genuine, though. Or maybe you wouldn't.
― Pheeel, Friday, 13 April 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
Sadly, not surprised at all.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 13 April 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
a lot of people found that fake fox news thing doing the rounds last month genuine
― thomp, Friday, 13 April 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
I fell for it too. Guess I underestimated the acidity of BBC control-booth humour.
― Matt M., Friday, 13 April 2012 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
I finally read Neonomicon, and I have to say, wtf?! Okay, I know it's a horror comic, and I'm not saying - SPOILER ALERT! - rape isn't an issue that can't be dealt with in horror, but I can't figure out any good reason why the series should have such an extended, graphic rape scenes. If Moore just wanted the reader to get what happened to the protagonist, that could've been done in one or two pages, without such attention detail. The only explanation I can think of is that Moore has some kind of a weird rape fetish; the subject does seem to come up often in his comics, though obviously it hasn't been done to this extent before.
I read some analysis online that claimed the whole comic is a meta commentary on how women are treated in American mainstream comics, and this is what justifies the depiction of rape in it. I'm not totally sold on that theory, but even if it were the truth, surely you can get the message across without using what amounts to rape/torture porn. Seriously, after having read Neonomicon, I felt so angry for having paid for this thing that I almost burned the whole comic.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 12 July 2012 12:50 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, my reaction wasn't as extreme as that but I did find it rather nasty without having a particularly interesting story.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 12 July 2012 12:52 (twelve years ago) link
In it I noticed that his dialogue is getting pretty lazy these days as well.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 12 July 2012 12:57 (twelve years ago) link
What mystifies me the most is, the part in Lost Girls where Wendy faces Captain Hook as he's about to molest here is one of the strongest anti-rape scenes I've ever seen in comics, so I can't for the life of me understand how the same writer could come up with this?
― Tuomas, Thursday, 12 July 2012 13:00 (twelve years ago) link
a year or so before it came out, Moore said he couldn't remember much about it because he'd been in such a terrible frame of mind when he'd taken the commission (years earlier even than that) but he thought it was probably very unpleasant and he might not read it himself
― ¥╡*ٍ*╞¥ (sic), Thursday, 12 July 2012 13:09 (twelve years ago) link
That's weird... Weren't Burrows's pages sent to him for his approval before they were printed? Didn't he even want to see what the final product looked like before it was published under his name?
― Tuomas, Thursday, 12 July 2012 13:34 (twelve years ago) link
He did it 100% for the paycheck so I'm sure his level of interest was much less than on other projects.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 12 July 2012 13:43 (twelve years ago) link
It's funny. "The Courtyard" is a pretty neat little short story. Everything comicswise that's come from it, however, has been...not that great. But even Alan Moore is capable of phoning stuff in, I suppose.
― Matt M., Thursday, 12 July 2012 14:14 (twelve years ago) link
The only explanation I can think of is that Moore has some kind of a weird rape fetish
has Moore ever done a run on a comic that didn't feature a rape scene at some point? serious question.
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 July 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago) link
I mean I love him but I would say yeah dude unequivocally has a rape fetish.
Maybe MIRACLEMAN? It's been a long time, though.
― Matt M., Thursday, 12 July 2012 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
Johnny Bates gets raped by another boy in the orphanage? foster home? wherever it was -- prompts him to turn back into Kid Miracleman.
― Neil Jung (WmC), Thursday, 12 July 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
Is there rape in Tom Strong?
I don't remember one in Supreme either. But it is weird that it's a go-to traumatic trigger for him.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 12 July 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
Well, was thinking female rape, but yeah, there's that in...the first or second issue? Slipped my mind.
― Matt M., Thursday, 12 July 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
I think it was #14. During the Totleben run.
― Neil Jung (WmC), Thursday, 12 July 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
Right. It's obviously been so long since I've read those that I should've just kept my yap shut.
― Matt M., Thursday, 12 July 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
hmmm good catch. I can't remember one off the top of my head. The whole thing is so lighthearted it's possible he managed to eschew it.
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 July 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
also re: Miracleman - Gargunza rapes/molests the sleeping miracle-woman or whatever iirc (altho I can't remember if this is shown explicitly or just referenced)
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 July 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
but yeah I haven't read those in forever either. I think my brother has the individual issues.
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 July 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
don't remember any rapes in the bojeffries saga
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
or maxwell the magic cat
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
or captain britain
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
or big numbers
yeah, but he never finished that
― Number None, Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
or warpsmith
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
or skizz
or halo jones
or top ten
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
Well there's statutory in Top Ten. And the whole teen sidekick prostitution ring thing.
― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 12 July 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
plus SMAX has rape, and that's kinda Top Ten
― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 12 July 2012 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
so basically all the early British stuff which I've never read and for a long time was unavailable in the US is rape-free. glad we cleared that up
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 July 2012 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
oh right, didn't realise when you said "has Moore ever done a run on a comic that didn't feature a rape scene at some point? serious question" you actually meant "please validate my ignorance"
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 July 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
He's matured into the rape fantasist we all know and love.
― Neil Jung (WmC), Thursday, 12 July 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe only after he started working in American comics then...
― Matt M., Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
America brings out the rapist in everyone. Just ask Tosh.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
Peter Tosh is a rapist?!
― Tuomas, Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
"Legalize it"
― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
Peter Tork is a papist!?!
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
No rape in Killing Joke, just the jolly breaking of a woman's spine.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
And of course the rape in LoEG is gay, and the raypee is invisible so it doesn't count.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:41 (twelve years ago) link