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I like how Tom's (spot-on) Runaways post "includes" Spidey discussion the way the human body "includes" water.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:23 (twenty years ago) link

7. SENTINEL #1-7, #8-#11

Another one I pretty much liked. This is what 'decompression' means I take it, stories which should take maybe two issues taking six - but the story is a good one. I appreciate the way that actually things keep getting worse and worse for Our Hero but the comic stays breezy throughout. Liked most of the characters, rooted for OH at the same time as he does stupid things, very much appreciated the fact that the titular Sentinel is in no sense a 'reformed character', liked the moment of Authentic Crush Horror as OH asks crush out despite knowing she has a boyfriend to receive mortifying "I have a boyfriend" response. I can however see why it sold zero copies - this is not an ongoing series in any sense, the premise has a neat beginning middle and end. In the Old Days it would have been solicited as a four-issue mini, probably by Louise Simonson, and done respectably.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:32 (twenty years ago) link

Tom, this is supposed to be about RUB .cbrs, remember? Stop w/ the pleasantries!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:37 (twenty years ago) link

I apologise and will as penance this evening read the copy of X-Men: The End #1 I dl'ed.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:38 (twenty years ago) link

NO TOM NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:44 (twenty years ago) link

8. X-MEN: THE END VOL #1

There is ONE PANEL of this comic that's good, when a big space ship crashes onto a big alien city. One of the problems with Chris Claremont is that he would have LOVED to be George Lucas, he loves the idea that he is a widescreen space opera imagineer, but all his 'epic starfaring' stories are TOTAL BILGE because he won't generally shut his trap and let the art do the talking. And when he does, as in this one third of a page panel, it looks pretty good.

There are eighteen issues of this to come, it has very little to do with the X-Men so far except that it has the bloody Phoenix in it.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 October 2004 10:23 (twenty years ago) link

9. SUPREME POWER #1

The Squadron Supreme again. The idea seems to be "OK, if DC won't do an Ultimate JLA, we will!". First issue is effectively downbeat story of 'realistic' approach to Superman's origin - bit gloomy but suspenseful. The editorial at the end is very funny indeed though in its "goodness knows how Roy Thomas came up with THESE characters!" tone. Also the tits-out costume for Power Princess raised a chuckle.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 October 2004 10:27 (twenty years ago) link

That's JMS, right?

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 8 October 2004 11:40 (twenty years ago) link

10. AMERICA VS THE JUSTICE SOCIETY #1

Couldn't actually finish this Roy Thomas archive-a-thon but if you do see it skip to the editorial page for a larff as Roy finally loses it and makes it plain that he writes comics purely and simply for people who know as much about comics as he does (i.e. EVERYTHING) and if you don't you can fuck off (sorry "you have no sense of history and I don't want you reading my comic" is a closer paraphrase). Evidence A in the "why the Crisis had to happen" pile.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 October 2004 15:58 (twenty years ago) link

11. SUPERMAN/BATMAN #1-6

Sort-of-good team-up comic goes completely off the rails as it becomes clear that the storyline is in place for DC to get rid of President Luthor before election year comes round. How best to do this? Through subtle yet punchy storytelling? NO NO NO. Instead let's have Luthor get hooked on Bane Venom and initiate hugely contrived anti-Superman initiative (viz - Superman is bringing a HUGE Kryptonite asteroid to Earth to kill us all, yes indeed because we know how much Superman likes that kryptonite, ahem) (OK actually maybe the population of the DCU don't know about kryptonite but it's still rub). Much glee as Luthor puts on his horrible pre-Crisis battlesuit and the Toyman creates a huge half-superman-half-batman Spaceship. These elements are meant to be proper Comics Fun i think but Jeph Loeb can't do 'fun', he can only do 'portentious' and lo the last few issues of this arc are horribly hard going.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 October 2004 16:03 (twenty years ago) link

My CBR non-shame is that I've read the first eight issues of She-Hulk. I will attempt to pay this forward by paying money for them at the comics shop this evening. They're great! The deadpan surrealism actually reminds me of early 2000AD like Ace Trucking Company (okay moreso in the section where she's acting as circuit court judge .. in spaaaaaace!) and the character touches remind me of PAD when he was great. The issue #5 that's up on Mile High is one of the less representative, as it's really not all about heroes vs villains.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:40 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...
4 CDs of Defenders. Every issue, every series, crossovers, pre-Defenders appearances of major players, etc. Holy crap.

Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 14 November 2004 17:45 (twenty years ago) link

Yep yep yep.

David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 14 November 2004 21:38 (twenty years ago) link

You got it too? :) I rationalized it as "I'm not trying to be greedy, it's not my fault there isn't a separate file for just the Headmen storyline."

Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 14 November 2004 22:06 (twenty years ago) link

I planned on sluggin' through the whole thing, but my interest began to lag right around the time of the 1st Avengers / Defenders x-over, so I've decided to just jump to the Gerber era & motor on from there. So far, no complaints.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 15 November 2004 06:08 (twenty years ago) link

(Also, re: greed - I have D/Led nearly complete runs of the JLA / JSA bookses, Batman, Detective Comics, AND Captain America. I justified these thefts as "research", which would be legit if I ever wrote a damn thing.)

Did your Defenders D/L include some awful pre-Silver Age painted Sub-Mariner story (which probably first saw the light of day in some post-Marvels Prestige Format w/ the acetate cover)? I'm guessing it did - skip that & just read the Pasty Walker stuff twice instead.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 15 November 2004 06:12 (twenty years ago) link

I think so, I haven't skimmed through it much yet except to skim through the later issues of Defenders and New Defenders just to go "I used to own that one, and that one, and that one" (brother with drug habit + vindictive ex + poor organizational skills + three cross-country moves = I have lost many more comics than I retain).

I'll still buy the Defenders Essentials and everything, so I figure the only utilitarian moral arguments are silent this time.

I'm almost tempted to call Gerber the Alan Moore of the title (in a Swamp Thingian sense), but even with Len Wein preceding him, I think that might be a little deceptive -- he didn't reinvent things that drastically, but he did set the standard for tone and content that everything post-Gerber is compared to, and the most frequent criticism of post-Gerber Defenders stuff usually comes down to "that's not how Gerber would have done it."

(Next download batch: FF!)

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:13 (twenty years ago) link

Oh yeah, I got those, too. Research is killer.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 15 November 2004 14:54 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
12. NIGHTCRAWLER #1

Here is what I know about Nightcrawler i) he is German, ii) he is a nice guy but he looks like a demon, iii) he likes pirates and derring-do. If I was writing a Nightcrawler comic I would probably stress iii) with ii) providing some light irony. In fact I remember reading a previous comic starring him which did just this. What I would not do is get him involved in stories about FAITH and THE OCCULT and other such COBBLERS because of him looking like a demon. And yes I know he's been written that way too at times. I think such stories are best avoided because they rarely go anywhere or say anything interesting, they turn the looks-like-a-demon thing into a bludgeon and also because only Steve Ditko ever had any idea how to plot magical fights well.

Anyway this storyline has him investigating a strange mystery involving murdered children. The murdered children are pretty gratuitous to be honest. The only clues are some cloven hoofprints and a supporting character who is so obviously the villain that you half expect Nightcrawler to be joined by Scooby Doo on this case. Clumsy stuff.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link

13 CAPTAIN AMERICA #1-2

As I just mentioned on The Brown Wedge, the level of basic competence in mainstream comics today is really impressive. This has good pacing, dialogue, striking art, tells its story without too many 'what's going on here?' moments. I quite like the way Captain A's impatient soldier mentality is being played up. This almost reads like an Ultimate comic, the same emphasis on SHIELD hypercompetence and militarism and 'real world' threats and situations. Good, solid stuff.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

(The thread has moved away from its original purpose and is now just 'Tom reviews some comics he's too cheap to pay for, quickly')

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

(Potentially) freat things I got from Santa Internet:

. Shehulk (which I went out and purchased immediately, and then bought the issues that I'll no doubt buy again in TPB - the system works!)
. Zenith
. Everything Grant Morrison has ever written, in fact.
. Including Zoids
. Jark Kirby's Eternals
. Suicide Squad
. Crisis on Infinite Earths
. The Maxx
. The Demon
. Jimmy Olsen
. Zot!
. Ultimate Fantastic Four
. Miracleman (including various different bits of #25)

Who's writing/drawing Captian America, Tom?

Not Andrew Farrell, for legal reasons (afarrell), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 01:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Ed Brubaker is writing & Steve Epting is drawring (w/ Michael Lark on flashback duty starting w/ #2).

Not Tom (popshots75`), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 01:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Oooh, I don't think I've seen any of Michael Lark's art since Terminal City.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link

His Terminal City is terminally... well, I don't talk that kind of French, sir! The ink work is nice, but his coloring is dreadful -- his stuff on Gotham Central is a knockout, though.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 01:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Would Not Andrew not be sharing these in the slightest on the Hub, by any chance? Grant's Doctor Who stuff might be just the incentive I need to set it up.

Not me either (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 07:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sharing a huge and ever increasing amount of comics including some of what not Andrew listed above on SLSK and on the hub, although I'm not on DC++ often. There're a couple really good hubs for comics listed in the public hub list too.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 09:21 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
14. MILLENNIUM #1-8 (DC Comics; 1987-ish)

I find it strange how short my first bout of comics fandom really was - it seemed like it lasted for ages but was barely 2 years. I got into DC with Legends, read through Millennium and was out of it by the time Invasion came around. Millennium had two points - a) tell a big cosmic DC story, b) introduce an amazing group of New! Characters! It does the first a lot better than the second (the new characters became rubbish and short-lived superteam the New Guardians). It's an unusual crossover in that the core series has very little of the main action. The tie-ins are often actually important to the plot (especially the FITEs) which must have frustrated less deep-pocketed fans (I gobbled most of it up though at the time). In the main series you get a lot of superhero interaction, ruminations on What It All Means, a bit of plot and a lot of patented Englehart hippie tosh.

I was surprised at how much I enjoyed re-reading it. The central idea - one member in each superhero supporting cast is a sleeper agent - is ace, the villains are good until they go into space and everyone has to fight a huge yellow cartoon robot. The series suffers a bit from winding towards anticlimax about 2/3 of the way through. The philosophy is a little bit Eastern and a whole lot cobblers. The art is acquired taste Joe Staton but he handles the huge cast well. The new superheroes... well, less good. But as crossovers go it deserves rehabilitation.

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 6 March 2005 23:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Millennium had two points

"OMG we're putting this out WEEKLY can you handle the excitement?"

kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 7 March 2005 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link

15. LEGENDS #1-#6 (DC Comics: 1986-ish)

Legends was the first DC book I ever enjoyed and as such I could remember some bits pretty much off by heart, but even so re-reading it was probably a mistake - even at the time Len Wein's narrative didn't exactly seem sophisticated and 20 years on it's really clunky, sub-Claremontian at best (eg the repeated "What is the sound of the end of the world?" riff). Ostrander's plot doesn't exactly hold up to scrutiny either: alien televangelist seduces the world into hating heroes, OK this is fine, he has mental powers, but then the focus of this gets completely lost as a FITE is needed and giant Byrne robot dogs attack. Also the continual flicking between one hero and another is very bitty.

BUT none of this matters a WHIT compared to the overall purpose of the series which is to introduce wide-eyed new readers to the hottness of DC's super-universe. Reader, I was that reader (erm) and it worked fine for me. Legends in itself is bland (though I liked the Byrne art) but its main job was to launch DC's post-Crisis universe and it does that well. DC in the late 80s is probably my favourite publisher era ever and this is where it started so hats off. How many other crossovers launch spin-off series of the caliber of JLI, Suicide Squad and the Mike Baron Flash? Three months after the end of Legends DC Comics had gone from 0% of my 'pull list'* to about 60% and I can't argue with that maths.

*(not that that phrase meant anything to me at the time)

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 13 March 2005 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...
Recently (IE this morning) I've been reading Ocean, by Warren Ellis, art by Chris Sprouse and Karl Story. I was curious about what those million indie Ellis comics are like, and this is exactly like what I thought it would be: Spider Jerusalem in space, meeting sarky good guys and bad guys and pwning them IN SPACE! One of the intereting things is that this pseudo-Spider (black, goatee, sharp suit) bears more than a casual resemblance to Samuel L. Jackson. Nothing wrong with a bit of easy characterisation (the same trick works really well in The Ultimates), but there can be problems with nicking the visage of the greatest living actor. For all that he will appear in almost anything, he plays variations on the same character in all of them, and it's not a character likely to exclaim regularly how much he hates everyone.

As regards the rest, big explosions, love/hate relationship with technology ("What's that?" "A book" "Is that what they used to look like?"), and regular everyone fancies our bald hero antics. So no surprises but I wasn't really looking for some.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, I got more of a young Danny Glover vibe from the guy.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link

it is obv supposed to be Billy Ocean - the clue is in the title!

Mark C (Markco), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Subtitle for the TPB: Get Out Of My Dreams (Get Into My Space Station)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh man, I love Sprouse. He did great fill-ins for Giffen on the Legion way back in the day.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I've d/led the first few issues of the current Aquaman series. I kinda like it. Hey, is it by the same guy who wrote my beloved Question miniseries?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually bought Genesis (mainly 'cos of the JLA "Rock of Ages" tie in) Boy, did it suck. iirc Byrne wrote it and a blind man with neither hands nor a central nervous system did the art. I think they cost me 10p a pop and I'm guessing that my local Forbidden Planet really saw me coming that day

Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Rick Veitch wrote the first year of the current AQUAMAN book, Huk. Will Pfeiffer took over later on, and is the current writer.

I'm still sorta ambivalent on the QUESTION mini that he wrote. A little too wandery and singsong poetry for the character, but the art was So Pretty.

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked the Question mini. It was far, far away from O'Neil's take, but Veitch meshed it nicely with some of the things he seems to be obsessed about. (I'm not that sure if all the hippie stuff could qualify as "obsessions" since I've only read him on Maximortal, Swamp Thing and Aquaman)

The art was quite a beautiful thing to look at.

To me, Aquaman's not that well done. Maybe I should give it another chance. I found Guichet's art kinda confusing.

iodine (iodine), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link

DC seems to be setting Pfeiffer up as their next Brubaker. Giving him not quite plum titles, but titles where he seems to have some freedom.
I don't think I've read any of his stuff, but maybe I should.

The art was sooo much more important than the script on the recent Question mini, and convinced me to overlook Veitch's sometimes heavy hand (hey look, see, we're dealing drugs in the BATHROOM! Because Superman isn't a dirty pervert. Now let's show that a few more times! It was a clever idea, but I got it the first time.). TLE's Chris Reeve Supes was quite stunning.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I have downloaded the Spidey/Human Torch thing now, but I GTA is beckoning right now.

Leeeeeee (Leee), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think I've read any of his stuff, but maybe I should.

if only Vertigo would collect FINALS (and fix up all the dumb post-Columbine censorship)

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 28 July 2005 00:54 (nineteen years ago) link

H-E-R-O was ok. I really liked the first ten or fifteen issues, when the series was about separate stories concentrating on the impact of the dial in the life of different average joes.

The last ten issues or so weren't that good, because Pfeiffer chose to end the series with a big arc that wrapped all of the ones that had come before. It felt a bit rushed and out of place.

iodine (iodine), Thursday, 28 July 2005 01:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Micro reviews:

The Ultimates Vol2 1-6 is much the same as the first volume: big heroics, bad heroes, lovely art and now a spot of intrigue.

Young Avengers 1-5 isn't exactly life changing, but it reminded me of what Tom said above regarding how the basic standards of comics seem to have risen noticably in the last 20 years.

New Thunderbolts 1-4 would have been 1-9 or so, but it is unfortunately unreadable rubbish.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 28 July 2005 07:22 (nineteen years ago) link

isn't exactly life changing, but it reminded me of what Tom said above regarding how the basic standards of comics seem to have risen noticably in the last 20 years

No Ben Raab
No Howard Mackie
No Jay Faerber
No Todd Dezago
No Brandon Choi
No Larry Hama

And only one Chuck Austen!

You might have a point there.

iodine (iodine), Friday, 29 July 2005 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Larry Hama was around twenty years ago.

kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 29 July 2005 04:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Unreadable rubbish! Andrew! Wounded I am!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 29 July 2005 05:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I wanted to say that I agree with Andrew regarding how the mainstream has improved its quality. Though I should say that I don't think it's been steadily getting better for the last 20 years, it's a thing of the last four or five years. The mainstream was probably in much worse shape in the late nineties than by the end of the eighties.

iodine (iodine), Friday, 29 July 2005 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

But yes, it has improved, and it shows when you see no more of those hacks I named because they were replaced by...well, hacks, but a bit more profficient (like Geoff Johns or Greg Rucka)

iodine (iodine), Friday, 29 July 2005 18:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Unreadable rubbish! Andrew! Wounded I am!

Oh, but it is! It probably suffers from being read right after Young Avengers. YA#1 sets up several characters, and has a great twist, and a quality JJJ appearance. It has the advantage that it's an outside look at the characters, so it's expected that they stay mysterious for a while, where New Thunderbolts #1 is anything but the first issue of a new series.

All the characters seem to coast on goodwill and interest that they've built up in a million comics that I haven't read. And the characterisation is sledge-hammer subtle. "Looks to me like Atlas likes Songbird. Yep, Atlas definitely likes Songbird. Yes, we get it. Yes, we get it. Yes, we get it. Yes, we get it. Just fuck off, will you?"

Also the timely themes (Terrorists! State responsibility for terrorists! WTC United Nations falling down!) annoy me no end. Particularly when he goes to some lengths to establish a cramped and terrifying building collapse, only to have Atlas grow to the size of the building from the inside, then burst out through one of the walls and hold the building up from the outside. Architecture: it doesn't work like that.

And the dialogue is completely rubbish, though this probably just means it's retro.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Marvel Unlimited needs you forks

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 29 July 2021 20:32 (three years ago) link


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