well, it's patrick blaine and mike capprotti over liefeld's pencil roughs - i think we can give them credit for anything positive about it
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:56 (nine years ago) link
like, there's no way the chest on that guy, which appears to have fairly normal proportions, was originally sketched out like that
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:57 (nine years ago) link
i kinda wish he'd gone full liefeld on these stories and had adam and eve grimacing and festooned with pouches
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:59 (nine years ago) link
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves pouches.
― the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Thursday, 19 March 2015 11:27 (nine years ago) link
Feet almost competent in the snake picture.
― the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Thursday, 19 March 2015 11:28 (nine years ago) link
xp haha!
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 19 March 2015 11:28 (nine years ago) link
Eve has feet! Do you think God took them when he cast her out of Eden?
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 19 March 2015 11:57 (nine years ago) link
The art will be provided by a variety of illustrators working over my pencils, layouts and storytelling.
I'm guessing that since he's hiring people who can actually draw, including feet, his work is at stick-figure level now.
― WilliamC, Thursday, 19 March 2015 12:03 (nine years ago) link
Frazetta? Corben? Veitch?
http://files1.comics.org//img/gcd/covers_by_id/198/w400/198687.jpg
― oochie wally (clean version) (sic), Thursday, 19 March 2015 13:06 (nine years ago) link
http://www.comics.org/issue/217258/cover/4/
― oochie wally (clean version) (sic), Thursday, 19 March 2015 13:07 (nine years ago) link
Naw, something closer to this actual pose. Liefeld is not capable of mentally re-arranging objects into different positions or imagining what they would look like from different perspectives. I wanted to say it was video game box cover art but I can't place what. Also note the suspicious dust kicked up where the snake meets the ground, obscuring any mis-matches, as if he couldn't even just sketch in the outline of a snake for chrissakes.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 19 March 2015 13:12 (nine years ago) link
I thought it might be the golden snake in Conan #24, Barry Smith's last issue, but I checked and none of the poses are quite right.
― WilliamC, Thursday, 19 March 2015 13:20 (nine years ago) link
I don't think it's a rip, but that might have been what forks was thinking of re Veitch.
― oochie wally (clean version) (sic), Thursday, 19 March 2015 13:25 (nine years ago) link
probably a rip of something liefeld saw airbrushed on the side of a van
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 19 March 2015 13:28 (nine years ago) link
it's definitely a specific image that he lifted for the roughs and gave as reference because it's pretty dead-on in my memory. wood/corben/veitch/kubert/frazetta listed because it matches their styles, but it could easily have been an album cover, book illustration or video game ad.
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:04 (nine years ago) link
maybe something taking place in the savage land?
This thread started a really dumb joke brewing in my head about Liefeld's inability to draw a kangaroo. Just guess the punchline.
― A Whizzer, A Poo Star (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:50 (nine years ago) link
Joey Kubert
― Nhex, Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link
A: Because it only has one pouch. Although I would also accept 'Because it has feet'.
― A Whizzer, A Poo Star (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:23 (nine years ago) link
HEYO
― Nhex, Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:31 (nine years ago) link
A: Because it only has one pouch.
Sexist.
― oochie wally (clean version) (sic), Thursday, 19 March 2015 21:46 (nine years ago) link
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1184992/CABLE_DEADPOOL_03_Rob_Liefeld.jpg
The impossible position of Cable's gun-arm gets stranger the more you look at it. It's positively Escher-esque.
― Pheeel, Saturday, 21 March 2015 23:32 (nine years ago) link
did deadpool chew open his own mask so he could clench a knife between his teeth or what
― bizarro gazzara, Saturday, 21 March 2015 23:52 (nine years ago) link
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--kjXcmmzi--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/duhv2jp22dhp6oftfhtx.png
― turlte party (how's life), Thursday, 14 May 2015 11:14 (nine years ago) link
That's one of the better Liefeld drawings I've seen.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 14 May 2015 11:16 (nine years ago) link
and its still rotten
― NotKnowPotato (stevie), Thursday, 14 May 2015 11:18 (nine years ago) link
Have been told by a reliable source that during his time on New Mutants Liefeld received considerable advice from a well-established and respected comic book artist, particularly to do with perspective.
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 14 May 2015 11:40 (nine years ago) link
advice which liefeld clearly only partially understood
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 14 May 2015 11:50 (nine years ago) link
That was almost exactly the punchline to the anecdote I heard
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 14 May 2015 11:55 (nine years ago) link
heh!
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 14 May 2015 12:03 (nine years ago) link
Cable's body length waaaay to short in that pic. Waitamminit, why am I expecting Liefeld to draw someone properly?
― the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Thursday, 14 May 2015 13:23 (nine years ago) link
he also appears to have a bagel and several small baguettes strapped his waist
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 14 May 2015 13:48 (nine years ago) link
we should start a kickstarter to send him to the kubert school or another drawing program
he's only 47! there's still time.
― ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 13:55 (nine years ago) link
I pretty much avoided every Marvel comic that wasn't Hulk or X-Factor in the early 90s - can anyone explain to me what Liefeld's appeal *was*, exactly? I mean, obviously his stuff looks ridiculous now - but it kind of looked ridiculous in 1991 too. Were the triangle breasts and pouches really enough to compensate for the terrible writing?
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:08 (nine years ago) link
Which is to say, there a lot of popular things I don't like -- The Waking Dead, say -- but I understand their appeal. I just don't get what Liefeld's appeal was (other than maybe DC's concurrent stuff was kind of too square or too adult).
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:11 (nine years ago) link
everything was super badass and was targeted directly at 12 year old boys
― ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:11 (nine years ago) link
i guess the only answer to that is 'yes', although in retrospect the reasons why that might have been are unfathomable.
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:12 (nine years ago) link
Cable is a half-cyborg time-travelling warrior who teaches teens how to kill bad guys
― ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:12 (nine years ago) link
I thought Liefeld was pretty sweet in the early 90s if I'm being honest. I was born in 78 if that's a clue to why.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:14 (nine years ago) link
also used his future knowledge to invest heavily in the lucrative pouch and shoulder-pad industries xp
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:15 (nine years ago) link
i was born in 80 and spent a lot of time and money on liefeld comics when i was 12. it really is one of the most baffling life choices i've ever made
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:16 (nine years ago) link
I think his appeal had a great deal to do with who and what he was - a young guy who wasn't that much older than his readership, drawing in a fashionably noodly/detailed style that was actually fairly easy to copy/ripoff. You could look at Liefeld's work and imagine doing something pretty similar yourself, and thereby enjoy some of the same fame and income.
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link
One of the theories I've heard floated around about Liefeld's popularity is the "hey, that looks like something I could've drawn!" factor. Which I'm not sure I fully understand but I guess I get why some people would be drawn to that. I got into X-Force at the time because that was the era of my burgeoning intrest in X-stuff in general, but I don't really remember being a particular fan of Liefeld. His characters were pretty easy to draw, though, so I'll give him that.
― Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link
xpost!
I was born in '78 too. I did buy two copies of the polybagged X Force 1, but it might as well have been one those Spanish CBRs I accidentally download.
I think "super badass and directed at 12-year-olds" is probly good enough.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:20 (nine years ago) link
One of the first X-Men comics I bought on the newsstand as a kid was part of the "X-cutioner's Song" (oh god) crossover, and it featured Cable and Bishop, two men with giant torsos that shopped at the same giant gun store, killing stuff with Wolverine. On the moon.
― ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:23 (nine years ago) link
he was like the sequential art equivalent of dubstep
^^^born in '70, stopped reading superhero comics forever in the wake of this shit
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:25 (nine years ago) link
i remember that issue (in fact, i think i still have in a longbox in my parents' loft). your summary of it is infinitely more entertaining than the real thing. xp
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:25 (nine years ago) link
it was completely incoherent and all the dialogue made you think something really important was happening, but I had no idea what was happening
― ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:28 (nine years ago) link
You know it does sound more exciting than some of the stuff I was reading at the time, such as the JLI's exciting adventures with the Conglomerate, and the G'nort miniseries
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:28 (nine years ago) link