it's definitely a specific image that he lifted for the roughs and gave as reference because it's pretty dead-on in my memory. wood/corben/veitch/kubert/frazetta listed because it matches their styles, but it could easily have been an album cover, book illustration or video game ad.
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:04 (nine years ago) link
maybe something taking place in the savage land?
This thread started a really dumb joke brewing in my head about Liefeld's inability to draw a kangaroo. Just guess the punchline.
― A Whizzer, A Poo Star (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:50 (nine years ago) link
Joey Kubert
― Nhex, Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link
A: Because it only has one pouch. Although I would also accept 'Because it has feet'.
― A Whizzer, A Poo Star (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:23 (nine years ago) link
HEYO
― Nhex, Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:31 (nine years ago) link
A: Because it only has one pouch.
Sexist.
― oochie wally (clean version) (sic), Thursday, 19 March 2015 21:46 (nine years ago) link
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1184992/CABLE_DEADPOOL_03_Rob_Liefeld.jpg
The impossible position of Cable's gun-arm gets stranger the more you look at it. It's positively Escher-esque.
― Pheeel, Saturday, 21 March 2015 23:32 (nine years ago) link
did deadpool chew open his own mask so he could clench a knife between his teeth or what
― bizarro gazzara, Saturday, 21 March 2015 23:52 (nine years ago) link
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--kjXcmmzi--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/duhv2jp22dhp6oftfhtx.png
― turlte party (how's life), Thursday, 14 May 2015 11:14 (nine years ago) link
That's one of the better Liefeld drawings I've seen.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 14 May 2015 11:16 (nine years ago) link
and its still rotten
― NotKnowPotato (stevie), Thursday, 14 May 2015 11:18 (nine years ago) link
Have been told by a reliable source that during his time on New Mutants Liefeld received considerable advice from a well-established and respected comic book artist, particularly to do with perspective.
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 14 May 2015 11:40 (nine years ago) link
advice which liefeld clearly only partially understood
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 14 May 2015 11:50 (nine years ago) link
That was almost exactly the punchline to the anecdote I heard
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 14 May 2015 11:55 (nine years ago) link
heh!
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 14 May 2015 12:03 (nine years ago) link
Cable's body length waaaay to short in that pic. Waitamminit, why am I expecting Liefeld to draw someone properly?
― the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Thursday, 14 May 2015 13:23 (nine years ago) link
he also appears to have a bagel and several small baguettes strapped his waist
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 14 May 2015 13:48 (nine years ago) link
we should start a kickstarter to send him to the kubert school or another drawing program
he's only 47! there's still time.
― ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 13:55 (nine years ago) link
I pretty much avoided every Marvel comic that wasn't Hulk or X-Factor in the early 90s - can anyone explain to me what Liefeld's appeal *was*, exactly? I mean, obviously his stuff looks ridiculous now - but it kind of looked ridiculous in 1991 too. Were the triangle breasts and pouches really enough to compensate for the terrible writing?
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:08 (nine years ago) link
Which is to say, there a lot of popular things I don't like -- The Waking Dead, say -- but I understand their appeal. I just don't get what Liefeld's appeal was (other than maybe DC's concurrent stuff was kind of too square or too adult).
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:11 (nine years ago) link
everything was super badass and was targeted directly at 12 year old boys
― ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:11 (nine years ago) link
i guess the only answer to that is 'yes', although in retrospect the reasons why that might have been are unfathomable.
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:12 (nine years ago) link
Cable is a half-cyborg time-travelling warrior who teaches teens how to kill bad guys
― ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:12 (nine years ago) link
I thought Liefeld was pretty sweet in the early 90s if I'm being honest. I was born in 78 if that's a clue to why.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:14 (nine years ago) link
also used his future knowledge to invest heavily in the lucrative pouch and shoulder-pad industries xp
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:15 (nine years ago) link
i was born in 80 and spent a lot of time and money on liefeld comics when i was 12. it really is one of the most baffling life choices i've ever made
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:16 (nine years ago) link
I think his appeal had a great deal to do with who and what he was - a young guy who wasn't that much older than his readership, drawing in a fashionably noodly/detailed style that was actually fairly easy to copy/ripoff. You could look at Liefeld's work and imagine doing something pretty similar yourself, and thereby enjoy some of the same fame and income.
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link
One of the theories I've heard floated around about Liefeld's popularity is the "hey, that looks like something I could've drawn!" factor. Which I'm not sure I fully understand but I guess I get why some people would be drawn to that. I got into X-Force at the time because that was the era of my burgeoning intrest in X-stuff in general, but I don't really remember being a particular fan of Liefeld. His characters were pretty easy to draw, though, so I'll give him that.
― Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link
xpost!
I was born in '78 too. I did buy two copies of the polybagged X Force 1, but it might as well have been one those Spanish CBRs I accidentally download.
I think "super badass and directed at 12-year-olds" is probly good enough.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:20 (nine years ago) link
One of the first X-Men comics I bought on the newsstand as a kid was part of the "X-cutioner's Song" (oh god) crossover, and it featured Cable and Bishop, two men with giant torsos that shopped at the same giant gun store, killing stuff with Wolverine. On the moon.
― ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:23 (nine years ago) link
he was like the sequential art equivalent of dubstep
^^^born in '70, stopped reading superhero comics forever in the wake of this shit
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:25 (nine years ago) link
i remember that issue (in fact, i think i still have in a longbox in my parents' loft). your summary of it is infinitely more entertaining than the real thing. xp
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:25 (nine years ago) link
it was completely incoherent and all the dialogue made you think something really important was happening, but I had no idea what was happening
― ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:28 (nine years ago) link
You know it does sound more exciting than some of the stuff I was reading at the time, such as the JLI's exciting adventures with the Conglomerate, and the G'nort miniseries
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:28 (nine years ago) link
I'm still chagrined that we never learned what the Cutioner was up to before he became an X-Cutioner.
― Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:28 (nine years ago) link
I actually dug X-Force as it went along and after Liefeld left. Nicieza did some decent work on that book, particularly with the expansion of Cable's backstory.
― Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:30 (nine years ago) link
had to read that post three times to make sure it wasn't by DJP:)
― ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:34 (nine years ago) link
Thank you for the compliment. DJP has good X-tastes, iirc.
― Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:36 (nine years ago) link
Ha, I thought the same thing.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link
many xps I always felt Liefeld's appeal lay in the fact he was the Creed to Arthur Adams/Todd MacFarlane's Pearl Jam? (nb I think I stopped reading comics just before Liefeld's rise)
― NotKnowPotato (stevie), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:43 (nine years ago) link
No no, Trent Kaniuga was the Creed to Todd MacFarlane's Spawn.
(Dear god, why do I have knowledge of these things...)
― Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:47 (nine years ago) link
liefeld's heavily pass/agg commentary on that facebook post makes it very clear he wanted a producer / advisor credit for the to-be-announced film and they were like, nah we're good
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:24 (nine years ago) link
i was 11 or 12 in liefeld's heyday and was pretty into his new mutants run... by the time Youngblood came out I was making fun of him though.
― tylerw, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:35 (nine years ago) link
My mate who hasn't really read comics since he was a teenager was really surprised one time when I told him Liefeld was actually shit.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:43 (nine years ago) link
i don't know why i remember this but x-cutioner's song is actually post-liefeld
and man, if they have any sense at all, the new mutants movie will just be a harry potter type deal, the wonderful world of your friends at mutant school, and stay many many miles away from Cable
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:52 (nine years ago) link
For me, his poor panel-to-panel storytelling is much more of a distraction than the hideous art. But I'm guessing it's more about the badass moments than the connective tissue between the badass moments. Is there a good example of a batshit Liefeld cliffhanger?
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link
I've read a lot more Marvel in the past 3-4 years than ever before, but haven't come across any Cable or Bishop comics, or even appearances in other comics.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:55 (nine years ago) link
Yes, X-Cutioner's Song took place during Greg Capullo's run on the title. Huge surge in the quality of the art in a very short time.
― Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:56 (nine years ago) link