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The impossible position of Cable's gun-arm gets stranger the more you look at it. It's positively Escher-esque.
― Pheeel, Saturday, 21 March 2015 23:32 (nine years ago) link
did deadpool chew open his own mask so he could clench a knife between his teeth or what
― bizarro gazzara, Saturday, 21 March 2015 23:52 (nine years ago) link
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― turlte party (how's life), Thursday, 14 May 2015 11:14 (nine years ago) link
That's one of the better Liefeld drawings I've seen.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 14 May 2015 11:16 (nine years ago) link
and its still rotten
― NotKnowPotato (stevie), Thursday, 14 May 2015 11:18 (nine years ago) link
Have been told by a reliable source that during his time on New Mutants Liefeld received considerable advice from a well-established and respected comic book artist, particularly to do with perspective.
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 14 May 2015 11:40 (nine years ago) link
advice which liefeld clearly only partially understood
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 14 May 2015 11:50 (nine years ago) link
That was almost exactly the punchline to the anecdote I heard
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 14 May 2015 11:55 (nine years ago) link
heh!
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 14 May 2015 12:03 (nine years ago) link
Cable's body length waaaay to short in that pic. Waitamminit, why am I expecting Liefeld to draw someone properly?
― the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Thursday, 14 May 2015 13:23 (nine years ago) link
he also appears to have a bagel and several small baguettes strapped his waist
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 14 May 2015 13:48 (nine years ago) link
we should start a kickstarter to send him to the kubert school or another drawing program
he's only 47! there's still time.
― ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 13:55 (nine years ago) link
I pretty much avoided every Marvel comic that wasn't Hulk or X-Factor in the early 90s - can anyone explain to me what Liefeld's appeal *was*, exactly? I mean, obviously his stuff looks ridiculous now - but it kind of looked ridiculous in 1991 too. Were the triangle breasts and pouches really enough to compensate for the terrible writing?
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:08 (nine years ago) link
Which is to say, there a lot of popular things I don't like -- The Waking Dead, say -- but I understand their appeal. I just don't get what Liefeld's appeal was (other than maybe DC's concurrent stuff was kind of too square or too adult).
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:11 (nine years ago) link
everything was super badass and was targeted directly at 12 year old boys
― ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:11 (nine years ago) link
i guess the only answer to that is 'yes', although in retrospect the reasons why that might have been are unfathomable.
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:12 (nine years ago) link
Cable is a half-cyborg time-travelling warrior who teaches teens how to kill bad guys
― ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:12 (nine years ago) link
I thought Liefeld was pretty sweet in the early 90s if I'm being honest. I was born in 78 if that's a clue to why.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:14 (nine years ago) link
also used his future knowledge to invest heavily in the lucrative pouch and shoulder-pad industries xp
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:15 (nine years ago) link
i was born in 80 and spent a lot of time and money on liefeld comics when i was 12. it really is one of the most baffling life choices i've ever made
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:16 (nine years ago) link
I think his appeal had a great deal to do with who and what he was - a young guy who wasn't that much older than his readership, drawing in a fashionably noodly/detailed style that was actually fairly easy to copy/ripoff. You could look at Liefeld's work and imagine doing something pretty similar yourself, and thereby enjoy some of the same fame and income.
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link
One of the theories I've heard floated around about Liefeld's popularity is the "hey, that looks like something I could've drawn!" factor. Which I'm not sure I fully understand but I guess I get why some people would be drawn to that. I got into X-Force at the time because that was the era of my burgeoning intrest in X-stuff in general, but I don't really remember being a particular fan of Liefeld. His characters were pretty easy to draw, though, so I'll give him that.
― Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link
xpost!
I was born in '78 too. I did buy two copies of the polybagged X Force 1, but it might as well have been one those Spanish CBRs I accidentally download.
I think "super badass and directed at 12-year-olds" is probly good enough.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:20 (nine years ago) link
One of the first X-Men comics I bought on the newsstand as a kid was part of the "X-cutioner's Song" (oh god) crossover, and it featured Cable and Bishop, two men with giant torsos that shopped at the same giant gun store, killing stuff with Wolverine. On the moon.
― ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:23 (nine years ago) link
he was like the sequential art equivalent of dubstep
^^^born in '70, stopped reading superhero comics forever in the wake of this shit
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:25 (nine years ago) link
i remember that issue (in fact, i think i still have in a longbox in my parents' loft). your summary of it is infinitely more entertaining than the real thing. xp
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:25 (nine years ago) link
it was completely incoherent and all the dialogue made you think something really important was happening, but I had no idea what was happening
― ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:28 (nine years ago) link
You know it does sound more exciting than some of the stuff I was reading at the time, such as the JLI's exciting adventures with the Conglomerate, and the G'nort miniseries
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:28 (nine years ago) link
I'm still chagrined that we never learned what the Cutioner was up to before he became an X-Cutioner.
― Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:28 (nine years ago) link
I actually dug X-Force as it went along and after Liefeld left. Nicieza did some decent work on that book, particularly with the expansion of Cable's backstory.
― Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:30 (nine years ago) link
had to read that post three times to make sure it wasn't by DJP:)
― ultimate american sock (mh), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:34 (nine years ago) link
Thank you for the compliment. DJP has good X-tastes, iirc.
― Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:36 (nine years ago) link
Ha, I thought the same thing.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link
many xps I always felt Liefeld's appeal lay in the fact he was the Creed to Arthur Adams/Todd MacFarlane's Pearl Jam? (nb I think I stopped reading comics just before Liefeld's rise)
― NotKnowPotato (stevie), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:43 (nine years ago) link
No no, Trent Kaniuga was the Creed to Todd MacFarlane's Spawn.
(Dear god, why do I have knowledge of these things...)
― Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:47 (nine years ago) link
liefeld's heavily pass/agg commentary on that facebook post makes it very clear he wanted a producer / advisor credit for the to-be-announced film and they were like, nah we're good
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:24 (nine years ago) link
i was 11 or 12 in liefeld's heyday and was pretty into his new mutants run... by the time Youngblood came out I was making fun of him though.
― tylerw, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:35 (nine years ago) link
My mate who hasn't really read comics since he was a teenager was really surprised one time when I told him Liefeld was actually shit.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:43 (nine years ago) link
i don't know why i remember this but x-cutioner's song is actually post-liefeld
and man, if they have any sense at all, the new mutants movie will just be a harry potter type deal, the wonderful world of your friends at mutant school, and stay many many miles away from Cable
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:52 (nine years ago) link
For me, his poor panel-to-panel storytelling is much more of a distraction than the hideous art. But I'm guessing it's more about the badass moments than the connective tissue between the badass moments. Is there a good example of a batshit Liefeld cliffhanger?
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link
I've read a lot more Marvel in the past 3-4 years than ever before, but haven't come across any Cable or Bishop comics, or even appearances in other comics.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:55 (nine years ago) link
Yes, X-Cutioner's Song took place during Greg Capullo's run on the title. Huge surge in the quality of the art in a very short time.
― Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:56 (nine years ago) link
Batshit Liefeld cliffhanger...Cannonball being killed by Sauron, maybe?
― Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:57 (nine years ago) link
Chuck, I would highly recommend Duane Sweirczynski's recent Cable series, which also features Bishop. It's a pretty great showcase for both characters that requires very little knowledge of either character's labyrinthine backstory. One of my favorite X-books of the past decade.
― Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:00 (nine years ago) link
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Hoo boy. This is it. This is the mother lode. The perfect storm of every Rob Liefeld criticism all sitting there in a jumble of tumorous musculature. You've got the tiny feet, the hidden feet, the people balancing on their tiptoes because drawing is hard, the awkward "chest-and-ass thrust out as hard as possible in opposite directions at all times" poses, the inconsistent perspective and sizing where everyone is either twenty feet tall or five feet tall or the entirety of reality is in flux oh my god what is happening I can't feel my face.The real crux of this piece, of course, is "Troll." Liefeld took Wolverine's head and slapped it on Puck's body and then gave him hooves and filled him full of horse steroids and gave him a uniform that bunches up like crazy around his dick for some reason. Troll is supposed to be holding a helmet under his arm in the first panel, but the only reason you know that is because I just told you. If I hadn't told you that, you would assume the gold area under his arm is just part of his costume and that his arm terminates suddenly in a near-90-degree angle. I know I'm weird, but when I have one arm bent in toward my body and the other arm hanging by my side, they're not the same length.See the lady standing on tiptoe for no reason? Her name is Psilence. PSILENCE. No further comment is needed. PSILENCE.Please take a moment to enlarge this so you can check out Shaft (guy in background, in red, to the left of PSILENCE). His top half and bottom half are stuck together at opposing angles. Check out how his legs sort of trail nebulously off behind the foreground bench. And where Liefeld couldn't avoid it: one tiny foot.The only things keeping this from being the perfect Liefeld drawing are 1. woeful lack of pouches and 2. only six of the nine characters shown have shit strapped to their backs.
The real crux of this piece, of course, is "Troll." Liefeld took Wolverine's head and slapped it on Puck's body and then gave him hooves and filled him full of horse steroids and gave him a uniform that bunches up like crazy around his dick for some reason. Troll is supposed to be holding a helmet under his arm in the first panel, but the only reason you know that is because I just told you. If I hadn't told you that, you would assume the gold area under his arm is just part of his costume and that his arm terminates suddenly in a near-90-degree angle. I know I'm weird, but when I have one arm bent in toward my body and the other arm hanging by my side, they're not the same length.
See the lady standing on tiptoe for no reason? Her name is Psilence. PSILENCE. No further comment is needed. PSILENCE.
Please take a moment to enlarge this so you can check out Shaft (guy in background, in red, to the left of PSILENCE). His top half and bottom half are stuck together at opposing angles. Check out how his legs sort of trail nebulously off behind the foreground bench. And where Liefeld couldn't avoid it: one tiny foot.
The only things keeping this from being the perfect Liefeld drawing are 1. woeful lack of pouches and 2. only six of the nine characters shown have shit strapped to their backs.
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:02 (nine years ago) link
aw, here go:http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1185286/youngblood_v1_008_03_04_rougher.jpg?_ga=1.83267345.602674086.1431618780
Ok, I will check that, thanks Lunch!
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:08 (nine years ago) link
No problem!
I invented characters just as awful and shamefully rip-off-ish as Troll and Psilence when I was fourteen. But I was fourteen.
― Roland McDoland (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:12 (nine years ago) link
― Nhex, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:02 (nine years ago) link