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ooh! is that stuff in the trade? what's in the trade?

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I think there are two trades? The first trade has the first 6 issues (of Slott's first volume), and the 2nd has the final 6 issues (of Slott's first volume). Slott-Hulk v2.0 is up to #4.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Exactly.
I got the trade and then started reading by the issue, missing just one (just before the cosmic justice storyline).
The first trade, is super-awesome and essential (and contains the Spidey story), everything is pretty great, but not AS great (art team changed).

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

BONUS: if you buy v2.0 #3, you get 100 PAGES OF SHEXSHY SHULK ACTION. Of course, 48+ of those pages are reprints of Savage She-Hulk #1 (mega ungh - if John Buscema actually needed proof that he belongs in Heaven, this be it) and Sensational She-Hulk #1 (more ungh than I remembered).

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link

this marvel digital comix thing seems to be stalling up on me!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

INSERT MORE QUARTERS

marvel digital comix thing-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link

HELP

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link

ok just tell me what happens

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

4 SLOCKI

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link

what a guy!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

ok that was pretty good. didn't blow my mind or crack me up too hard tho

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

OUT!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link

#4 is the one to read.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Is an ungh good or bad?

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the first one is good, and the second is not.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Like Aloha, ungh is hello and goodbye.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

The first "ungh" is bad & refers to Stan Lee's "work" - John Buscema, however, can do no wrong.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Savage was better than I remembered! But I think this speaks only to how bad I remembered it being. The Hulk comics of the same time -- if I'm remembering right when it came out -- were at an ebb, too.

Sensational was a disappointing reread, yeah. The comedy's about as subtle as Mad magazine, and I'm not saying subtlety is the essence or requisite of comedy, but ... ungh.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 20:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I noticed the odd actually funny gag in Mad last year (I worked in a bookstore, I was bored, God help me). It seems to have turned into Mother Jones with fart jokes

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Neal Pollack, ladies & germs.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link

He's the Mad EiC, IIRC.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I read the third Damage Control mini recently, the one with Kyle Baker on art. The credits for the film that they make of DC mention Dan Slott! When was this?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Sensational was a disappointing reread, yeah.

Yah, seeing that stuff in the back of the book was what tipped my hand toward not buying the thing after all.

Chris F. (servoret), Thursday, 2 February 2006 05:15 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
!!!!!!!!!!!

Jumping next to Dan Slott's ("The happiest man in comics" according to Quesada) titles - She-Hulk and The Thing, the writer said that issue #8 will be the Civil War crossover in She-Hulk, with a status quo change, and will add Paul Smith as the series regular artist.

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 25 February 2006 06:30 (eighteen years ago) link

so, uhh... how do i shot she-hulk? is the new issue an okay place to pick up or should i wait for a new arc? (i rarely buy trades, too poor.)

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Saturday, 25 February 2006 07:15 (eighteen years ago) link

The new series is only 5 issues old, so I'd say start from the beginning. The next issue (#6) starts another story, but it's worth backtracking - #5 bridges the gap between the first arc & the upcoming stuff, but it's a nice stand-alone issue as well. Most issues from this series work well as stand-alones, actually, even those mid-arc (if 2 issues can constitue an "arc").

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 25 February 2006 08:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow, Paul Smith is a great match for Dan Slott. I slacked off on buying this after the third issue, but I think I'm going to have to get back on it now.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 25 February 2006 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Who is Paul Smith?
The most recent issue, #5, is the best of the new series. #5 is the new #4.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Saturday, 25 February 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Paul Smith is one of those vastly underrated and ignored pencillers because he's a cartoonist as much as he's a draftsman. There's a neatness to his work that reminds me of P. Craig Russel (but that may be because they've collaborated in the past, I think.) He did a great run on UNCANNY X-MEN in the mid-80s, as well as some DR. STRANGE work from about the same era. I suppose Mike Wiernigo is a good touchstone as well.

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Saturday, 25 February 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

As far as I'm concerned, Paul Smith is tied with Frank Quitely as being the best artist to ever have a run on the X-Men. Unfortunately, both of them only did ten issues!

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 25 February 2006 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link

When Paul Smith first started on X-Men, he drew the smallest mouths of any artist ever, including Bil Keane.

pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 25 February 2006 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, somewhere between PCRussell & Wieringo is about right for Paul Smith. He also worked on an Image series w/ James Robinson (Leave It To Chance) that was fun to read.

David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 26 February 2006 00:42 (eighteen years ago) link

His art in that Kitty Pryde miniseries from last year was fantastic, though I did not actually read the thing so much as thumb through the trade paperback at Barnes & Noble.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 26 February 2006 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I just bought this b/c of the poll and it was really good! I can see why it wouldn't catch on--it's more like a sitcom than a soap opera (and therefore doesn't have as much continuity porn as harcore fans like), but it's more winning than obviously funny. I thing I like is how it's clever without being precious, something that always bothered me with, say, Buffy. Also, how the cleverness isn't just jokes or predictable reversals (Millar), but actual ideas. (The whole "we use marvel comics as legal evidence" thing could have seemed way more sophomoric.) I just ordered the second one.


Also it means that I can point young whippersnappers at it and say "This! This is what Peter David was like when he was great!"

Yes!

kenchen, Sunday, 26 February 2006 14:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Also:

Best spiderman--really captures the camp, jokey part (opposite of spiderman movies), especially in the court room scenes and him walking on the walls at home. Visually, it's a really accurate Spiderman, as you really get the sense of someone physically smaller than everyone else, the sort of opposite of Frank Miller's hulking mass of a Batman. Spiderman practically looks like a kid wearing a spiderman suit.

There's also a sort of genre humanism here. Slott does a great job resurrecting B-list marvel characters, like old Spidey villains and the New Warriors. (Night Thrasher in She-Hulk is like career-low John Travolta in Pulp Fiction.) GM in 7 soldiers talks about creating new characters for the franchise, but Slott seems like someone who'd be great to see the value in all these disposable characters and find ways to flesh them out and make them feel not just interesting, but chummy.

kenchen, Sunday, 26 February 2006 22:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah I was going to say that it might not be overtly funny all the time, but the Spiderman gag in his issue was fantastic.

The phrase I used on another thread was that he seemed to treat continuity as a toolbox, and wanted to leave the tools in better shape than he found them. You'll see more at the end of the second volume of his thinking on this.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 27 February 2006 00:32 (eighteen years ago) link

so i guess i should check this out, huh? even though i didn't really feel that issue i read and humour like this:

SHE-HULK: Made out of a super-strong carbonadium alloy!

PUG: You people just MAKE UP words, don't you?

seems kinda ehh to me? and i don't really know enough marvel trivia for the in-jokes to work?

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 27 February 2006 02:19 (eighteen years ago) link

S1ocki, Ken's comment about She-Hulk being winning more than obviously funny is spot-on. I'd like to think there's more going on than just Marvel in-jokes, but I'm probably in too deep to really notice one way or the other. But I don't think you need to be a Marvelite to appreciate, for instance, Awesome Andy, or the shrinking prison stuff. But, then, I find big blocky clay-like robots communicating w/ chalkboards enjoyable beyond measure.

Ha - I think Slott love is turning into one of those Like It Or Lump It ILC things.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 27 February 2006 04:53 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm thinking of trying that (haha cheaper) i'm with stupid digest first. you think? to get a sense of whether i like this guy?

or is that even MORE in-jokey?

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm saying this as a guy who doesn't know from Marvel: if Slott is in-jokey, he's not at all obtrusive about it. I can kind of spot the bits where there's that winking haha-geddit humor, but it's not so specific to Marvel -- it applies to geekery in general. I started off meh on Slott too -- I got the first TPB and was kind of miffed. But for some reason, I dipped back in when the new volume launched -- might've had something to do with the Greg hr0n covers -- and I've been a solid fan of his since. (Though: Spidey-Torch I heart without reservations, independent of my feelings for Shulkie. It really is great.)

But beyond the humor in Shulk, there are some great IDEAS he comes up with! The second trade has this great setup that I won't give away: even though it might have to do with Marvel minutiae that I'm not caught up on, Slott handles it in such a graceful way that I never feel like I'm missing out on the fun(ny) and by the end, I wanted to stand up and applaud.

c(''c) (Leee), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:54 (eighteen years ago) link

As a non-Marvellian, I concur.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 27 February 2006 14:23 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.comicreaders.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1753

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

look at you!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link

it's funny, i got all excited when i saw the word "sadfaces" and before i saw the byline

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Do the words secret identity mean nothing to you!?!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Not so much s1ocki as si1ke!

c(''c) (Leee), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

so despite some initial skepticism i picked up she-hulk tp#1 yesterday and... well... i'm happy to say i loved it! i haven't read a comic this purely... how do i put it... breezily enjoyable in a long time (esp having just been reading bendis daredevil, which is like she-hulk's darker longer lawyer comic mirror image).

i really really liked that many of the stories in the volume were one-issue wonders! i guess i've gotten used to extremely drawn-out plot arcs at this point (viz daredevil again... which is like the slowest arc ever... although i dig that too) so there's something really refreshing about it. i've always been on the fence in terms of narrative compression (largely because grant morrison is always getting props for it & i tend to think that despite his other skillz he's not very good at it) but it really works here. or maybe this isn't "compression" at all but just old-school comix storytelling.

also: funny!

also: i love the art! guess i better not get used to it huh

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 4 March 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

also i don't really think he writes realistic dialogue OR Realistic Dialogue. he very much writes comedy dialogue (capitalize if you like), he just does it well.

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 5 March 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I think Slott is basically just a good modern version of old school fun comics writing. He's really good with the old trick of pushing the story along, but making every issue fully enjoyable as a comic that you can jump into without ever having read it before, or going on to the next issue.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 5 March 2006 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link


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