But Barbara was never a Robin substitute, at least not in the comics. Maybe it's different in the animated continuity tho, I'm not familiar with that?
― Tuomas, Monday, 2 January 2017 15:05 (seven years ago) link
She was for a long time a love interest for (the grown up) Robin / Nightwing though, so Batman hooking up with her in comics would be awkward for other reasons.
― Tuomas, Monday, 2 January 2017 15:07 (seven years ago) link
I think wins is right tbh, the whole idea of the "Batman family"
http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/4/14420-2727-16126-1-batman-family.jpg
― soref, Monday, 2 January 2017 15:08 (seven years ago) link
creepy quasi-incestuous bit of slashfic in which Batwoman bones Bathound while Batman and Robin watch:
https://feexby.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/bathound.jpg
deviant arf
― wins, Monday, 2 January 2017 15:13 (seven years ago) link
Tuomas, I really don't know - felt like a Robin substitute to me when I watched. it's a mentor/pupil relationship at the least
― wins, Monday, 2 January 2017 15:16 (seven years ago) link
for some reason I forgot that there's a Jonah Hex episode of B:TAS (using a Ra's al Ghul framing device) and it's scripted by Joe Lansdale! the jokes are funny but kid safe, really good stuff
― mh 😏, Thursday, 16 March 2017 01:39 (seven years ago) link
Just saw that one for the first time recently. I've been slowly working my way semi-chrolologically through the entire Timmverse.
FYI, WB is FINALLY getting around to putting out the remainder of Static Shock and Zeta Project on DVD, thusly sating my OCD completist impulses.
Oh, and DC seems to be making good on collecting all of the Timmverse companion comics. They just finished Batman Adventures and they're well into Superman Adventures now.
I don't know what the occasion is or why it's suddenly 1995 again but I'll take it.
― Milkwalker's World (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 March 2017 04:45 (seven years ago) link
I think they're having some success with animation, but the new projects aren't necessarily good. So releasing the old shows that were actually good makes sense.
― mh 😏, Thursday, 16 March 2017 15:03 (seven years ago) link
my kids are going through the Batman Adnetures/Superman Adventures tpbs, they're v good
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 March 2017 15:44 (seven years ago) link
the post-JLU new stuff (mid 2000's-on) released DTV is generally pretty mediocre. The Killing Joke was in particular was pretty bad, as you probably heard
― Nhex, Thursday, 16 March 2017 15:50 (seven years ago) link
xpost Yes, quality control of that entire franchise was surprisingly high. Exceptionally rare that a TV tie-in comic is good for much more than wrapping paper.
I haven't seen a single damn thing post-JLU, and nothing I've heard has suggested that I'm missing anything.
― Milkwalker's World (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 March 2017 15:53 (seven years ago) link
yeah they aren't good. Is Timm even involved w any of those?
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 March 2017 15:55 (seven years ago) link
i remember he produced some of the earlier ones which but even those were generally below the standard set by JLU
― Nhex, Thursday, 16 March 2017 16:18 (seven years ago) link
speaking of... I just watched Batman vs. Harley Quinn, which while fairly serviceable, is again just kind of barely above mediocre with some PG-13 gags that wouldn't have made it into the original BTAS run. Timm did produce this, so I guess he's still involved which is better than not, I suppose.
as a bonus feature, they included the BTAS episodes of "Harley and Ivy" and "Harley's Holiday" which were both so much better it was kind of sad that in 2017 the bar has fallen so low
― Nhex, Monday, 18 December 2017 03:42 (six years ago) link
woops, it's "and" Harley, not "vs" Harley. being brainwashed by DC storylines
― Nhex, Monday, 18 December 2017 03:43 (six years ago) link
Watched Mask of the Phantasm for the first time a few days ago. Fun! It's my favourite type of Batman story: a gangster story wrapped around a romance wrapped around a whodunnit. Could have done without the Joker though - needed more ANGST, less ACTION
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 18 December 2017 21:47 (six years ago) link
I am... resistant to Harley Quinn in most formats. I gather she's basically DC's Deadpool now, but character seems hella sexist
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 18 December 2017 21:49 (six years ago) link
she's based on a '40s gangster moll stereotype, so... yeah, kinda true. but many stories since her origin have given her different angles and motivations besides just being lovestruck and "dumb", eventually turning her into a full blown sympathetic anti-hero. (partially why she ended up pairing well with Poison Ivy, who was sort of a femme fatale stereotype rehabilitated over many decades) the inherent jokey sexism she came from gets balanced out a bit, and she's straight-up a really fun character in the right hands.
Mask is still great. i need to pick up that new Blu-ray release at some point
― Nhex, Monday, 18 December 2017 22:21 (six years ago) link
Mask of the Phantasm is the best Batman movie.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 04:42 (six years ago) link
Yes.
And, additionally, I don't understand why DC keeps putting out new animated product (I mean, for the $$$ obviously, but still) when they already made the best superhero cartoons ever. You did it guys. You're done! Let it go!
― Ooey Gooey Fresh and Frothy (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 05:19 (six years ago) link
dc in ‘making bad decisions’ shocker
― dipso inferno (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 08:31 (six years ago) link
I watched Wonder Woman yesterday, it felt like the first DC movie since Batman Returns to capture a certain DC-ness as well as the Dini stuff does. (DC-ness being a weird mix of soapy melodrama and dorky retro superhero stuff, which is different to Marvel.)
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 14:20 (six years ago) link
I think you just sold me on watching Wonder Woman.
― Ooey Gooey Fresh and Frothy (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 14:26 (six years ago) link
it’s entertaining! mostly!
― dipso inferno (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 14:59 (six years ago) link
it’s easy to nitpick it away but it’s heart is def in the right place and the performances are charming
― dipso inferno (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 15:01 (six years ago) link
It's fun! Definitely goes off the rails In the last half hour, but without retroactively ruining the whole movie. Looking forward to the next one.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 15:23 (six years ago) link
I love that the praise for the most highly-acclaimed DC movie is still saddled with qualifications (which, TBF, is also true of every decent non-MCU Marvel flick). But I'll check it out.
― Encyclopedia Beige and the Case of the Bland Sandwich (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 15:28 (six years ago) link
i mean it’s no mask of the phantasm, that’s fer sure
― dipso inferno (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 15:33 (six years ago) link
Well, I'd feel bad giving it a 100% thumbs up as it's not a 100% great movie. But like Biz says, the flaws aren't dealbreakers - whereas e.g. I still wish I could get back the hours of my life I wasted watching Dark Knight Rises. I had a similar feeling about Homecoming - charming but too long.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 15:36 (six years ago) link
Oh man, Homecoming was fantastic! Completely exceeded expectations.
But this is not the place!
To give DC props, they are still treating the DCAU with the respect it deserves. BTAS is coming out on Blu-ray early next year, and they're surprisingly still releasing trades of the companion comics (my faith in their follow-through on that front being super low, having gotten burned most recently on the Sandman Mystery Theatre reprints which they cancelled after a whopping two collections).
― Encyclopedia Beige and the Case of the Bland Sandwich (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link
Is the Superman show any good? It's the only one I've never seen.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 16:11 (six years ago) link
Oh yeah. That, All-Star, and the first several years of Byrne & co.'s reboot are pretty much all the Superman I'll ever need.
― Encyclopedia Beige and the Case of the Bland Sandwich (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 16:19 (six years ago) link
STAS started off kinda slow but got real good by the end in my memories, same thing with Batman Beyond
― Nhex, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 17:09 (six years ago) link
I especially dig how Kirby's Fourth World stuff slowly encroaches upon the light-hearted Superman adventures taking place in the foreground.
― Encyclopedia Beige and the Case of the Bland Sandwich (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 17:13 (six years ago) link
Wonder Woman was so dull and slow and colourgraded and not-about-a-woman that I walked out halfway through and saw The House instead
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 18:15 (six years ago) link
same with the justice league cartoon - started slowly then knocked it out of the park when it became unlimited
― dipso inferno (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link
that's true. though i'd say even by season 2 of JL they were killing it, like with that 2-part Joker ep
― Nhex, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 18:54 (six years ago) link
the Justice Gods one was also S2 i think
― Nhex, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 18:56 (six years ago) link
If we want to make this a recommendation thread for the best DCAU episodes, I wouldn't complain.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 21 December 2017 00:56 (six years ago) link
I decided to watch the recent Wonder Woman movie at motel room rental prices and fell asleep halfway into it. Such are vacation mistakes. BTAS is still excellent every time I feel the need to rewatch. The balance of the animation style, noir tropes honored and subtly commented on, the little quips that paint Batman as self-aware, sometimes tragically, make it age well.
― mh, Thursday, 21 December 2017 03:49 (six years ago) link
HFS @ Hopey Glass cameo in Batman, someone was having a lil fun at the animation studio that day
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 8 July 2018 16:03 (six years ago) link
wait waht
― Fox News' Chad Pergram contributed to this report (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 8 July 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link
I forget which episode it is but bruce wayne puts someone on a bus at the end of the episode and one of the other riders on the bus is v clearly Jaime’s Hopey.
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 8 July 2018 16:45 (six years ago) link
I think it’s “I Am the Night”
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 8 July 2018 16:54 (six years ago) link
I noticed it a few nights ago while watching w my daughter but only just now remembered i meant to post about it cuz it was p unexpected
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 8 July 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
huh, awesome!
― Fox News' Chad Pergram contributed to this report (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 8 July 2018 17:05 (six years ago) link
I'd about say Batman: The Animated Series might be the best version of Batman done. It ties together so many of the things from the comics in the right tone.
― earlnash, Sunday, 8 July 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
kevin conroy is def the best batman ever
― Fox News' Chad Pergram contributed to this report (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 8 July 2018 19:19 (six years ago) link
ok it wasn't that episode and it wasn't some random character it was the Penguin and Hopey's cameo is at about 4:05 here: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x50of14
― Οὖτις, Monday, 9 July 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link