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Millennium had two points

"OMG we're putting this out WEEKLY can you handle the excitement?"

kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 7 March 2005 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link

15. LEGENDS #1-#6 (DC Comics: 1986-ish)

Legends was the first DC book I ever enjoyed and as such I could remember some bits pretty much off by heart, but even so re-reading it was probably a mistake - even at the time Len Wein's narrative didn't exactly seem sophisticated and 20 years on it's really clunky, sub-Claremontian at best (eg the repeated "What is the sound of the end of the world?" riff). Ostrander's plot doesn't exactly hold up to scrutiny either: alien televangelist seduces the world into hating heroes, OK this is fine, he has mental powers, but then the focus of this gets completely lost as a FITE is needed and giant Byrne robot dogs attack. Also the continual flicking between one hero and another is very bitty.

BUT none of this matters a WHIT compared to the overall purpose of the series which is to introduce wide-eyed new readers to the hottness of DC's super-universe. Reader, I was that reader (erm) and it worked fine for me. Legends in itself is bland (though I liked the Byrne art) but its main job was to launch DC's post-Crisis universe and it does that well. DC in the late 80s is probably my favourite publisher era ever and this is where it started so hats off. How many other crossovers launch spin-off series of the caliber of JLI, Suicide Squad and the Mike Baron Flash? Three months after the end of Legends DC Comics had gone from 0% of my 'pull list'* to about 60% and I can't argue with that maths.

*(not that that phrase meant anything to me at the time)

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 13 March 2005 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...
Recently (IE this morning) I've been reading Ocean, by Warren Ellis, art by Chris Sprouse and Karl Story. I was curious about what those million indie Ellis comics are like, and this is exactly like what I thought it would be: Spider Jerusalem in space, meeting sarky good guys and bad guys and pwning them IN SPACE! One of the intereting things is that this pseudo-Spider (black, goatee, sharp suit) bears more than a casual resemblance to Samuel L. Jackson. Nothing wrong with a bit of easy characterisation (the same trick works really well in The Ultimates), but there can be problems with nicking the visage of the greatest living actor. For all that he will appear in almost anything, he plays variations on the same character in all of them, and it's not a character likely to exclaim regularly how much he hates everyone.

As regards the rest, big explosions, love/hate relationship with technology ("What's that?" "A book" "Is that what they used to look like?"), and regular everyone fancies our bald hero antics. So no surprises but I wasn't really looking for some.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, I got more of a young Danny Glover vibe from the guy.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link

it is obv supposed to be Billy Ocean - the clue is in the title!

Mark C (Markco), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Subtitle for the TPB: Get Out Of My Dreams (Get Into My Space Station)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh man, I love Sprouse. He did great fill-ins for Giffen on the Legion way back in the day.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I've d/led the first few issues of the current Aquaman series. I kinda like it. Hey, is it by the same guy who wrote my beloved Question miniseries?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually bought Genesis (mainly 'cos of the JLA "Rock of Ages" tie in) Boy, did it suck. iirc Byrne wrote it and a blind man with neither hands nor a central nervous system did the art. I think they cost me 10p a pop and I'm guessing that my local Forbidden Planet really saw me coming that day

Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Rick Veitch wrote the first year of the current AQUAMAN book, Huk. Will Pfeiffer took over later on, and is the current writer.

I'm still sorta ambivalent on the QUESTION mini that he wrote. A little too wandery and singsong poetry for the character, but the art was So Pretty.

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked the Question mini. It was far, far away from O'Neil's take, but Veitch meshed it nicely with some of the things he seems to be obsessed about. (I'm not that sure if all the hippie stuff could qualify as "obsessions" since I've only read him on Maximortal, Swamp Thing and Aquaman)

The art was quite a beautiful thing to look at.

To me, Aquaman's not that well done. Maybe I should give it another chance. I found Guichet's art kinda confusing.

iodine (iodine), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link

DC seems to be setting Pfeiffer up as their next Brubaker. Giving him not quite plum titles, but titles where he seems to have some freedom.
I don't think I've read any of his stuff, but maybe I should.

The art was sooo much more important than the script on the recent Question mini, and convinced me to overlook Veitch's sometimes heavy hand (hey look, see, we're dealing drugs in the BATHROOM! Because Superman isn't a dirty pervert. Now let's show that a few more times! It was a clever idea, but I got it the first time.). TLE's Chris Reeve Supes was quite stunning.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I have downloaded the Spidey/Human Torch thing now, but I GTA is beckoning right now.

Leeeeeee (Leee), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think I've read any of his stuff, but maybe I should.

if only Vertigo would collect FINALS (and fix up all the dumb post-Columbine censorship)

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 28 July 2005 00:54 (nineteen years ago) link

H-E-R-O was ok. I really liked the first ten or fifteen issues, when the series was about separate stories concentrating on the impact of the dial in the life of different average joes.

The last ten issues or so weren't that good, because Pfeiffer chose to end the series with a big arc that wrapped all of the ones that had come before. It felt a bit rushed and out of place.

iodine (iodine), Thursday, 28 July 2005 01:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Micro reviews:

The Ultimates Vol2 1-6 is much the same as the first volume: big heroics, bad heroes, lovely art and now a spot of intrigue.

Young Avengers 1-5 isn't exactly life changing, but it reminded me of what Tom said above regarding how the basic standards of comics seem to have risen noticably in the last 20 years.

New Thunderbolts 1-4 would have been 1-9 or so, but it is unfortunately unreadable rubbish.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 28 July 2005 07:22 (nineteen years ago) link

isn't exactly life changing, but it reminded me of what Tom said above regarding how the basic standards of comics seem to have risen noticably in the last 20 years

No Ben Raab
No Howard Mackie
No Jay Faerber
No Todd Dezago
No Brandon Choi
No Larry Hama

And only one Chuck Austen!

You might have a point there.

iodine (iodine), Friday, 29 July 2005 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Larry Hama was around twenty years ago.

kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 29 July 2005 04:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Unreadable rubbish! Andrew! Wounded I am!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 29 July 2005 05:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I wanted to say that I agree with Andrew regarding how the mainstream has improved its quality. Though I should say that I don't think it's been steadily getting better for the last 20 years, it's a thing of the last four or five years. The mainstream was probably in much worse shape in the late nineties than by the end of the eighties.

iodine (iodine), Friday, 29 July 2005 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

But yes, it has improved, and it shows when you see no more of those hacks I named because they were replaced by...well, hacks, but a bit more profficient (like Geoff Johns or Greg Rucka)

iodine (iodine), Friday, 29 July 2005 18:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Unreadable rubbish! Andrew! Wounded I am!

Oh, but it is! It probably suffers from being read right after Young Avengers. YA#1 sets up several characters, and has a great twist, and a quality JJJ appearance. It has the advantage that it's an outside look at the characters, so it's expected that they stay mysterious for a while, where New Thunderbolts #1 is anything but the first issue of a new series.

All the characters seem to coast on goodwill and interest that they've built up in a million comics that I haven't read. And the characterisation is sledge-hammer subtle. "Looks to me like Atlas likes Songbird. Yep, Atlas definitely likes Songbird. Yes, we get it. Yes, we get it. Yes, we get it. Yes, we get it. Just fuck off, will you?"

Also the timely themes (Terrorists! State responsibility for terrorists! WTC United Nations falling down!) annoy me no end. Particularly when he goes to some lengths to establish a cramped and terrifying building collapse, only to have Atlas grow to the size of the building from the inside, then burst out through one of the walls and hold the building up from the outside. Architecture: it doesn't work like that.

And the dialogue is completely rubbish, though this probably just means it's retro.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:25 (nineteen years ago) link

GONG

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 12:12 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
IT'S BACK

(tomorrow the ILC characters poll will be back but I have a headache and this is easier)

16. ORION #1-25

At first I started reading this because it was Walt Simonson eye candy even though all that happens is the standard bite-bite-bite-fight-fight-fight stuff but then suddenly!! it starts getting really good, with a power corrupts storyline and deus ex machinae which are actually entertaining and monster cosmic stuff (including tasty loose ends, hey whatever DID happen to the earth-juggling super-giant?). And Simonson is still great! Towards the end it tails off a little and I think cancellation came as a disappointment but generally this is Good Stuff.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 12 September 2005 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

17. FLASH #130-#141

The Morrison/Millar run. At the time I thought this was really ace and now it reads very strangely, like people who want to write mad silver age stuff but haven't actually worked out how to yet. The ideas are there but everything's TOO big and crazy: the first two episodes in each arc are terrific and the third is always shit. Only bad in comparison to Ultimates and Seven Soldiers and JLA, I suppose. In the middle of it there's a really nice one-issue story about Jay Garrick and the Thinker which stands up better than all the hypercosmic sagas. It doesn't help that this was during the Flash "speed force" years so all the supporting cast are (dread word) 'speedsters' and the whole speed force concept is a massive "INSERT LAZY ENDING HERE" card to boot.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 12 September 2005 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

18. THE GOLDEN AGE #1-4

Ponderous vehicle for James Robinson to grim'n'grit up assorted G.A. and JSA characters. A review of this in the Slings And Arrows Guide praises the set-up in #1-3 but considers the payoff in #4 corny. THIS IS WRONG. The set-up is repetitive and hammers home the one or two personality hooks Robinson gives each character, which is all he can really afford to give them since the cast is so bloody huge. The diffuse focus means no arc really ends satisfyingly - compare to DC: THE NEW FRONTIER (covering vaguely similar ground) and you'll get the idea. HOWEVER the fourth issue is terrific because of it's awesomely hokey plot. Hurrah! If only they'd used the body of a cat.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 12 September 2005 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Tom, please spoil this for me.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 12 September 2005 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

OK I will start a thread to spoil it!

Tom (Groke), Monday, 12 September 2005 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

The second Grant Morrison Flash story (apparently they were written 3 Grant 3 Mark 3 Grant 3 Mark after an initial pissup brainstorming session) is really a favourite of mine. Even apart from yet another imaginary childhood friend and further opportunities for a new world every panel, there's something about the gimmick in the final issue that really moves me. So much that I still loved it when he used it again a year later at the end of JLA. I didn't really mind the Speed Force nonsense, I just don't feel the need to have it all Make Sense. Also I love the way every issue has the same introduction from Wally.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 12 September 2005 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Millar was probably at least as responsible as Grant* for the story you're referring to, given his history of writing actual Sonic comics

kit brash (kit brash), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 06:38 (nineteen years ago) link

One of the only good things about Waid's run was his habit of starting each issue with 'My name is Wally West and I'm the Flash' in a caption, which I think Morrison/Millar continued. It may even have started with Messner-Loebs. As I remember, Morrison played with that in JLA by having Flash possessed by some cosmic beestie and then being brought back to reality by Batman. He pulled the starfish off his head screaming 'MY NAME IS WALLY WEST AND I'M THE FLASH!' which was only natural as he was thinking that in captions at least three times a day, making him THE MOST EGOMANIACAL HERO EVAH. Unfortunately I think Johns stopped doing that.

Vic Fluro, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 06:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't understand, Kit.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 11:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I did find a newsarama interview where he says "Still, I've written plenty of, er, non-rape books too like Superman: Red Son, JLA, Superman Adventures, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Paradise Lost, The Ultimates, Ultimate X-Men and Sonic The Hedgehog. Actually, I did have Tails fuck Sonic up the arse in one issue of that, but it was definitely consensual."

Though he also later says "I'm honestly as happy writing Superman Adventures as I am writing Wanted. I don't see one as bring better or more literate than the other"

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 11:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Johns still does it. He usually finds a way to switch it up and have it be all "My name is Wally West, and I used to think I was... THE FASTEST MAN ALIVE!"

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:53 (nineteen years ago) link

OTM with Simonson's Orion. I really liked it, and I miss it too! I liked many of the backup stories too. Well, I liked all of them, just because the array of artists working there was so wide.

Grant on Flash was OK, but not as great as I expected. Back then I had already been a fan of his work for a long time time, so having him as the regular writer for my favorite character ever was a dream come true. But...well, "Hell To Pay" was such a great ending for Waid's run it became a tough act to follow to anyone who had to step on his shoes. Plus, he went out with the promise of coming back one year later with "Chain Lightning" which, back then, was hyped to be this super-cosmic-time-and-space-spanning-Flash-epic that was gonna change the world for ever and all that crap. So Grant's stuff was OK, but by coming after "Hell to pay" and with the hype behind "Chain Lightning", his run turned out to be a bit underwhelming and it ended up being a mildly fun way of killing the time until Waid's return.

iodine (iodine), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Where do y'all get your cbrs from?

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

DC++

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't understand, Kit.

er because Millar used to write Sonic The Hedgehog monthly, I would not be surprised that the plot where Flash races Sonic The Hedgehog across the universe came from him rather than Grant.

Their usual writing practice was to divvy up dialoguing issue-by-issue, rather than story-by-story, so that would fit. Also since there's no way Grant didn't write that one with his new version of the Mirror Master, which wouldn't fit with the three-on three-off pattern. (of course it all got thrown wonky when he had to bail from the last three due to overcommittment, which might be what you're thinking of?)

kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 00:28 (nineteen years ago) link

No, I'm thinking of being told that it was 3-3-3-3. There are three issues where Flash races Krakkl, and they are all very Grant Morrison. Unless there's a specific one where Sonic turns up that i don't remember.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 08:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Krakkl = Sonic!!

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 08:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Also I wondered at the time if the whole "I'm racing my imaginary friend" thing was a gentle dig by Millar at "Foxy, you came back" etc.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 08:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay granted (er), I might be seeing things as very Morrison when they're a pastiche (pronouced "piss-take") by a good friend.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 09:43 (nineteen years ago) link

what's dc++ again?

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

It's where INCREDIBLY FAMOUS writers and artists tell not-necessarily in-continuity stories that also happen to be dreadfully dull about the most famous superheroes in the world.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link

or possibly an internet filesharing system, who knows

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 15 September 2005 01:14 (nineteen years ago) link

direct connect?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 15 September 2005 01:35 (nineteen years ago) link

yes.

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 15 September 2005 02:39 (nineteen years ago) link

19. FANTASTIC FOUR 1234 #1-4

G-Mo! On the FF! Cool! Not really. A pretty thin plot (Doom manipulates reality but underestimates the FF's innate goodness) allows GM to trot round some icons without really seeming too enthused by any of it. Nice Jae Lee art - murk is boring but he does it better than most - is it really true tho that the Torch's powers stop working if its RAINING??? (ok I think it was some sort of mutant super-rain)

Tom (Groke), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:24 (nineteen years ago) link

20. COLOSSUS: BLOODLINE #1

All Colossus stories in which he is painting are funny and this is no exception as he expresses his inner torment by drawing a mid-90s Simon Bisley picture. When you think about it it's amazing that the X-books have never done the "his name is Rasputin yes Rasputin WHO ELSE HAD THAT NAME" plot before, but David Hine is a pretty decent low-key writer so this works as a good read and a stupid larff. Hine's rise to mild x-prominence is a bit odd though - who'd have thought when I was reading "Sticky Fingers" in CRISIS all those years ago that he'd end up doing a hokey Colossus mini?

Tom (Groke), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

21. WOLVERINE #20-#31

12 issues of nothing but fighting drawn by John Romita Jr = pretty good fun! I read it all in about 40 minutes but so what? Wolverine murderises lots of good guys then gets turned good again and murderises all the bad guys instead: in some ways this is the quintessential Wolverine story and certainly seems to have been a crowd-pleaser, but on the other hand you can't imagine it having been done at any time prior to now.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 26 September 2005 12:03 (nineteen years ago) link


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