kind of got the feeling that g.h. had invented a lot of events we see in flashback - israel's dead sister
That's in "Chelo's Burden", the very first story! I'm serious - look in PALOMAR and see! Girl missing teeth looking directly at viewer, w/ Israel in the back. Dude!
― R Baez, Friday, 27 July 2007 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link
shit, you're right! it doesn't get mentioned in the next two-fifty pages, though.
the page before the one with the dead sister has jesus in prison, too.
oh well. i was starting to like my theory of hernandez as an inveterate retconner.
― thomp, Friday, 27 July 2007 22:03 (seventeen years ago) link
my theory of hernandez as an inveterate retconner.
Don't completely dismiss it - he clearly intends Gato, when he first introduces him, to be at least in his thirties, yet (if you go by NEW TALES/OLD PALOMAR #2) he's supposedly a teen, I think. He does something similar with Borro, the pre-Chelo sherrif - he goes from incompetent corrupt drunk (in HEARTBREAK SOUP) to a morally ambiguous, somewhat suave, and cunning detective (in ECCE HOMO/HUMAN DIASTROPHISM).
― R Baez, Friday, 27 July 2007 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link
so, wait, amazon.co.uk lists the second volumes of the new reprints as already out? eh?
― thomp, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 23:57 (seventeen years ago) link
that's because they came out last month
― energy flash gordon, Thursday, 2 August 2007 08:54 (seventeen years ago) link
the titan books ones are for september. i dunno whether to order the american ones off the internet or to wait as i) an exercise in patience and ii) an exercise in anally making sure my copies have spines that match, sigh.
― thomp, Thursday, 2 August 2007 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link
Based on Titan books past, I'd order the US books as they're bound to be prettier.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 2 August 2007 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link
The Titan bks are identical to the Fantagraphics ones, apart from the company logo on the spine etc - these are just 'add ons' to the end of the print run, just like the Titan versions of DC GNs
I'm waiting for the Brit versions cos Waterstones discounted the first two volumes
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 2 August 2007 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link
Corrected standing.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 2 August 2007 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link
is 'blood of palomar' the same as (the story) 'human diastrophism'? ("the process of deformation that produces continents and ocean basins in the earth's crust", word fans.)
i read the girl from hoppers and i'm halfway thro (the book) human diastrophism. i wuv these guys.
― thomp, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 08:31 (sixteen years ago) link
is 'blood of palomar' the same as (the story) 'human diastrophism'?
yes - contains three short stories totalling 9 pages, plus Human Diastrophism.
― energy flash gordon, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 12:39 (sixteen years ago) link
I took out the huge Locas and Palomar hardcovers from my local library eariler this year and completely adore the stories. Can anyone link me to a good guide to what stories appear in what trade and when? I realize a decent amount of material was cut from the hardcovers, and I want to start hunting down the remaining stuff, as well as the newer (post Vol. 1) stories. It's hard to figure out now where to go, even with that linked post way up there, I'm still confused... especially where L&R 1-50 end, collection-wise.
Basically, I want to go forward with both brothers' books after those collections, and maybe go back and find the missing material if I have enough time and/or money. It's possible I might be better off just buying those new softcover collections. Fantastic stuff, all in all, can't believe I never got to this stuff sooner, considering I was a Strangers in Paradise fan for so long.
― Nhex, Sunday, 23 September 2007 03:16 (sixteen years ago) link
So the short version:
JAIME: "Locas" = most of the Maggie & Hopey stories from L&R 1-50 (a few, particularly the ones that focus on other characters, are omitted). Go to "Whoa, Nellie!" (if you like the wrestling stuff), then "Locas in Love," then "Dicks and Deedees," then "Ghost of Hoppers."
GILBERT: "Palomar" = most of the specifically Palomar-set stories from L&R 1-50 (again, some omissions). While we're waiting for the third volume of the cheap Gilbert paperback reprints to come out, go to the old numbering system's vol. 10 ("Love & Rockets X"), then vol. 12 ("Poison River"), then "Luba in America," "Luba: The Book of Ofelia" and "Luba: Three Daughters."
― Douglas, Sunday, 23 September 2007 07:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Thanks so much for the help, Douglas! I know you actually already posted some of this up there, but I was *really* confused. I gotta start pinching those pennies, now.
I really appreciated those wrestling stories if Jaime's, actually... I always wonder why wrestling or sports comics never became a genre here, as they have in Japan. I found Rena TitaƱon's stories (as well as the other superhero stuff) pretty charming, the way they fit into that universe, even though Mechanics really is a very strange, semi-inappropriate introduction to the entire thing.
― Nhex, Monday, 24 September 2007 08:58 (sixteen years ago) link
sooo when duz the american ed of the next lot of reprints come out? i dunno if i can hang on the additional however long it'll take for titan books to put their names on the spines, this time.
― thomp, Monday, 24 September 2007 19:57 (sixteen years ago) link
December, probably.
― R Baez, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 18:40 (sixteen years ago) link
November/December, say Fanta.
― energy flash gordon, Thursday, 27 September 2007 04:13 (sixteen years ago) link
That page I was always hoping for, a clear guide to what of the new and old trades to buy finally exists. In particular, "Love and Rockets X" and "Poison River" were reprinted in a third Gilbert volume, Beyond Palomar, and Amor Y Cohetes fills in the blanks.
All I need now is to know if they're going to reprint more of that post v1 stuff into new trades, like the Jaime stuff.
― Nhex, Monday, 12 May 2008 04:44 (sixteen years ago) link
The tentative plan is to do a giant hardcover Locas II and giant hardcover Luba In America before they think about reformatting the later stuff into small books. Since they haven't even started collecting most of Beto's L&R v2 stuff into "old trades" yet, the "new trades" are probably a good many years off.
― energy flash gordon, Monday, 12 May 2008 07:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Amor Y Cohetes is the last book they are putting out in that format? thats fucked up.
― chaki, Monday, 12 May 2008 09:05 (sixteen years ago) link
hrm. complete vol 2 of l&r is $40 in floppies on the fantagraphics website => you're not going to get a better deal than that for it, however they collect it
― thomp, Monday, 12 May 2008 09:11 (sixteen years ago) link
I am sticking with the old format books, at least until I have bought all the ones my local shop is selling off cheap.
I like the smaller books, as I reckon that whole Palomar book would be intimidatingly big.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 12 May 2008 11:58 (sixteen years ago) link
I reckon that you could do what I did and read Human Disastrophism/Blood of Palomar first, and then work backwords. The tragedy of Tonantzin almost works really well that way.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 12 May 2008 11:59 (sixteen years ago) link
Do the characters from one brother ever appear in the other's stories? I saw Vincente and a woman (Pipo?) knocking around in a Jaime wrestling story, but beyond that they seem to like their own.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 12 May 2008 12:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Nope, each brother does his own stuff--I think there are a couple of times when they've drawn their characters into the background of the other's as a goof, but that's about it.
― Douglas, Monday, 12 May 2008 15:55 (sixteen years ago) link
I remember that ones in Eightball there was a story where Dan Clowes drew a one or two page strip featuring the characters from Hate ( Eighball-style, both in terms of art and storyline)... I was hoping for something like that from the Hernandez brothers.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 12 May 2008 16:20 (sixteen years ago) link
but it was not to be.
Because I'm slow at these things, I haven't read the Gilbert stuff yet. If I read the nice new reprints (Heartbreak Soup to Beyond Palomar), will I be missing anything significant out, "Flies on the Ceiling"-style?
And just to baby feed me even more: does Gilbert's run have the same problem as Jaime's? (i.e. takes about three hundred pages to really start cooking).
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 12 May 2008 16:37 (sixteen years ago) link
The nice new reprints of Gilbert's stuff start at the moment he went supernova, so no worries there. (The earlier, messier stuff shows up in "Amor y Cohetes."
― Douglas, Monday, 12 May 2008 16:39 (sixteen years ago) link
I had a dream that I was at a very colorful Palomar-themed amusement park!
― Abbott, Monday, 12 May 2008 18:00 (sixteen years ago) link
But they did do that once! Beto did a Locas story and Jaime did a Palomar story. They were both collected in Hernandez Satyricon (vol. 15 of the original set of trades), and I assumed that they would be re-collected in Amor y Cohetes. Were they not?
― Deric W. Haircare, Monday, 12 May 2008 18:18 (sixteen years ago) link
My understanding is that they didn't pull the choke job on the nice new reprints (or the NNRs, as they're referred to by the real fans) that they did on the huge old hardcovers (the HOHs) in omitting a lot of important stuff. I'm a big enough sucker that even I (despite owning all of the original trades) will probably end up buying the NNRs at some point, but I'd advise anyone interested in hopping on the L&R train to give the HOHs a definite pass at this point.
― Deric W. Haircare, Monday, 12 May 2008 18:27 (sixteen years ago) link
...darn. Well, considering I've been too lazy to buy any of these trades yet, we'll see... I'll at least pick up the last Gilbert and the odds n' edds books of the new reprints. I suppose I'll have to get Whoa, Nellie! and so on if I can find them (Locas In Love seems to be out of print already).
How do you know this, btw? Is there an official Hernandez Bros. site? Or did I just miss more buried news in Fantagraphic's site?
― Nhex, Monday, 12 May 2008 19:14 (sixteen years ago) link
But they did do that once! Beto did a Locas story and Jaime did a Palomar story. They were both collected in Hernandez Satyricon (vol. 15 of the original set of trades), and I assumed that they would be re-collected in Amor y Cohetes.
eccelente, my local comic shop is selling off Hernandez Satyricon for a tenner.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 12 May 2008 19:24 (sixteen years ago) link
How do you know this, btw?
Kim's said on the TCJ message board.
― energy flash gordon, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 00:48 (sixteen years ago) link
At this point, I've probably spent over three hundred dollars on bros. Hernandez work and it's in about four different formats. I think I've got just about everything, it's about cobbling it together.
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 04:47 (sixteen years ago) link
I actually did read both Sloth and Chance in Hell recently, both of which I liked. They're both pretty dark and veer towards the more dreamy/metaphysical side of Gilbert's work.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 19:19 (sixteen years ago) link
The new three-part fantagraphics books of each artist (Locas/Palomar books cut in thirds & softcover) are like $9-10 each on Amazon right now.
― Abbott, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 19:21 (sixteen years ago) link
So that's, what, $50 for the entirety of v.1? Next to the $2-300 I paid for the original trades? Blerg.
― Deric W. Haircare, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 20:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Fanta's deal of the lot of seven for $85 seemed ludicrously cheap already!
― energy flash gordon, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 00:47 (sixteen years ago) link
MegaLuba hardcover, I'm guessing, coming next February: http://www.amazon.com/Luba-Love-Rockets-Gilbert-Hernandez/dp/1560979607/
― Douglas, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 02:10 (sixteen years ago) link
(BTW Deric 7 x $10 is $70)
― energy flash gordon, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 04:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Yes. My maths are good, but my counting not so much (I was thinking that there were only five of the newfangled reprint volumes).
― Deric W. Haircare, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 16:25 (sixteen years ago) link
P.S. Was just at the shop and confirmed that Amor y Cohetes does, indeed, contain Jaime's Palomar story and Beto's Locas story.
― Deric W. Haircare, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 18:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Woops, forgot to buy Hernandez Satyricon, bought #3 instead.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 15 May 2008 14:29 (sixteen years ago) link
wait, amor y cohetes is actually out already?
― thomp, Thursday, 15 May 2008 20:10 (sixteen years ago) link
haha i only just worked out what cohetes means
― thomp, Thursday, 15 May 2008 20:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh man, you guys, I just read The Education of Hopey Glass in one sitting--seriously, there aren't many pleasures in life greater than reading a whole chunk of Jaime Hernandez's comics at once...
(This is the one that collects Jaime's stories from the last few years' worth of L&R: the serial about the week where Hopey gets her new glasses and starts her new job, and the cluster of stories about Ray, the Frogmouth, and the dude who gets shot.)
― Douglas, Friday, 16 May 2008 17:18 (sixteen years ago) link
It's a shame "a whole chunk" takes about five years...God, I can't wait til July or whenever the GN effect takes hold.
― R Baez, Friday, 16 May 2008 18:43 (sixteen years ago) link
So, having just read Locas in three days, I'm in the process of queueing up the rest of the Jaime bibliography at the library. Is there anything between Ghost of Hoppers and Education of Hopey Glass?
― arango, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 00:35 (sixteen years ago) link