Wednesday Wrap-up

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Here is the thread where we talk about new titles and issues and which ones are good and all that jive.

Leee Majors (Leee), Friday, 30 January 2004 04:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't bought any books in over a month! Leee, gimme some sugar!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 30 January 2004 05:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry they're not in packets. Do you want any cream?

Leee Majors (Leee), Friday, 30 January 2004 05:09 (twenty-two years ago)

To my eternal shame the comics I have been following are Smax and Terra Obscura.

Bosse-De-Nage (Bosse-De-Nage), Friday, 30 January 2004 05:24 (twenty-two years ago)

The only ones I follow are Smax, 1602, Y the Last Man, LoEG (until it finished up), and Black Hole (if "following" is the right word for that, more like checking around every year or so to see if a new issue has been published).

I've never bought any of these though. Hm, that's a topic to think about...

Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 30 January 2004 06:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Shame? SHAME? Why, being ashamed of such things makes about as much sense as Alex in NYC talking smack about George Perez for being a John Byrne clone! I mean, wha?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 30 January 2004 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

OK then, this week I got Wanted #2 (GRATE!), Ultimate FF #2 (GRATE!), Ultimate 6 #6 (OK) and X-Statix # [whatever it is] (disappointing).

I can see why he keeps saying Wanted is "Watchmen for super villains", but it isn't, really, is it? Where are the Good Ideas That Will Be Cliches Of The Future? Not there, that's where.

It's a bit weird talking about comics in the open air like this, I'm really not used to it...

MJ Hibbett, Friday, 30 January 2004 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Posted Friday because comics come in Britain on a Thursday, and after work...

Agree with MJ's assessment of those titles (although Ult FF isn't nearly as good as #1 was), with X-Statix being little more than a rehash of Ringu (the "You know, that Japanese film that got remade" "What, the Seven Samurai?" line was a grebt one though).

The first issue of Wanted was very, very Watchmen based, this one is far less so. The training subplot was superb, as was how he finally deals with his girlfriend. :-)

Emma Frost #7 (?) The new plot arc is, at least, interesting. Emma's slowly coming to terms with being able to do stuff, and the scene where the maitre'd busts the waitress answers at least partly a problem I'd always had with telepathy powered heroes.

Two-Step #2 In what's becoming a mantra this week, not as good as the last one. Warren Ellis is crafting a decent enough po-mo stab at voyeur culture, but visual jokes seem not to be his forte at all, and it's difficult to see where he's going with it. Leave the jokes about strap-ons to Garth Ennis, he's far better at it.

Punisher #2 Talking of Garth, the second issue of his new Max rated Punisher is... erm... not very good. Or at least not as good as the final few Marvel Knights issues. Maybe it's just a weak story arc.

Hulk #something The last plot arc continues under a new name, as Bruce tries to leave Nadia, and Betty tries to get together with the Doc. I don't know where this is going at all at the moment. I kinda like that.

The Losers #something The second issue of the current plot sees some detail on the history of Max, and more development of the Losers as individuals. This is the best comic DC are producing at the moment, so question.

Catwoman #something And this is the second best. Slam's in hospital (but alive) and Selina's after the guy who put him there. Of course, Batman thinks this is a bad idea, but when has she let bad ideas stop her before?

Hellblazer #19something I like Mike Carey, but I haven't enjoyed a single issue of this he's done yet. Thankfully, my g/f buys this title and not me.

There's more that I can't remember, will do an add-on at some point.

(T

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 30 January 2004 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I got Wanted #1, haven't read it yet. Glad to hear it's cool.

Also got Two-Step, mostly for my girlfriend since I'm getting kind of sick of his Transmet-type stuff. Planetary is still great though, and Red was cool. Haven't read Global Frequency or any of those.

Last week I got first of the new Lucifer storyline, and it was awesome. I picked up one of the last arc and couldn't get into it, same with Carey's Hellblazer (which I also wanted to like, and the art was horrible in addition).

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 30 January 2004 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone have thoughts on iCandy, NYX and The Goon? The first two have nice looking art but glancing at the dialogue on their respective first pages, I'm a bit dubious. The Goon I've heard good things about, and the guy who writes/draws did a hilarious Hellboy: Weird Tales story, so I'll probably pick up The Goon when it's collected (which is a thread (tpb vs. ishes) for another time).

Leee Majors (Leee), Friday, 30 January 2004 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

iCandy, I can't say - it's already been canned, though, so you might be able to find the issues for cheap on eBay or some such place.

NYX, I have the 1st two issues - the art is purty (as you have noted), and the story is OK. Better than I thought it would be, anyway (and that's damning by faint praise if anything is). Once again, I will pimp for The X-Axis, as Mr. Paul O'Brien (the site's proprietor) has reviews of all NYX issues released to date.

AND BUY THE GOON ALREADY! It's quite enjoyable, if you like that sort of thing, and given you are getting the Weird Tales mini, I imagine you're that sort of guy.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 30 January 2004 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, X-Axis is part of my Monday morning ritual (the other parts are coffee and a bagel).

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 30 January 2004 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll weigh in with Wolverine #10 even though it's a week or two old. After that one issue where Logan & Nightcrawler meet in a bar -- wonderful discussion btw -- the new arc seems to have lost some steam and its fangs. Like what the X-Axis guy sez, not bad, it feels like it could be doing a lot more.

Leee Majors (Leee), Friday, 30 January 2004 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I randomly read some interview with Rucka a while back where he was basically saying 'Yeah, the first arc was a straight up Wolverine story, and in the second one you think it's going to be BUT THEN I'M GOING TO FUCK IT UP'. We'll see, I hope he does more than I think he's going to. It's also pretty hard to do a long setup and keep it interesting in serials where it takes, you know, a year.

Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 31 January 2004 00:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I was reading X-Statix over someone's shouhlder on the train. Gotta say, I love the whole "Ring" conceit going on with that song.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 31 January 2004 02:03 (twenty-two years ago)

comics come out on thursday here.

this week the only one I've bought was the latest issue of Loeb & Sale's "Hulk: Grey". It contimues to be entertaining, although like all those Marvel titles Loeb & Sale have done recently it's maybe a bit static. It definitely has made me interested in reading a bit more Hulk stuff (or seeing the film).

DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 31 January 2004 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I read Wanted #1, grate indeed. I kinda got echoes of Runaways with the 'my dad is a supervillain, you say?' thing, but this is obv. going to turn out to be much harder and less moral.

(what was up with the "my AFRICAN-AMERICAN boss" stuff?)

Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 31 January 2004 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

What else I got this week:

Powers #something - Why is this comic being relaunched, given it's often the best thing on the shelf...? Anyway, we find out in this one how Walker lost his powers, and just about get up to date. Expect the next issue (the final in Vol 1) to be astonishing. This is merely brilliant.

Flash #204 Wally, now aware he's the Flash again, tells Linda - undoing the previous plotline somewhat. We find out who's been posing as Cold, and what Cold does about it. Oh, and it looks like Zoom will be back quickly. Why haven't the post 200 issues been as good as the ones that preceded it? This title is starting to drift again, I'm afraid.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Sunday, 1 February 2004 10:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Looking up to a question above:

i-Candy - bought it on a whim and the first 3 or so were OK. The following ones less so, and the plot is crap, but I guess since there's only one more to go I might as well see how it ends up. It might make a nice trade for a teenage nephew, perhaps.

NYX - bought the first one, and the artwork was lovely. Missed the second one, and now have no inclination to pick up the third. I guess that says something about the standard of writing in #1...

The Goon - can only echo the comments above, there's no reason for anyone who might even consider buying a Hellboy book not to be buying this already.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Sunday, 1 February 2004 10:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish I hadn't listened to my friend who complained about the Powers letterpage: I used to skip past it, now I watch it like a trainwreck, and it's caused me to lose some respect for the comic. I don't think it's still great: the last few issues have brought it to a grinding halt, like Preacher's Salvation storyline.

Jordan: the african american boss, is because the protagonist is straight-up racist, but too weak to do anything about it. I suspect Wanted #2 will make things clearer :)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 2 February 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

What is Powers and why is its letters column a trainwreck?

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 2 February 2004 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

It's the creator-owned superhero police series by Brian Michael Bendis, who's also writing a bunch of Marvel titles (Daredevil? Spiderman? Ultimate Team-up?). It's not Top Ten (Super-police in a super-city), because the police are non-powered trying to solve crimes that usually involve superheroes. There's an undercurrent of them wondering exactly how much use they are, all things considered (the first story is about the death of one of the "powers" - IE superheroes - and after they complete the case, one of the powers' associates just comes along and obliterates the killer).

The dialogue is the main selling point - Bendis has a fantastic ear for how people who work in tense situations talk to and at each other - like Hemingway vs The West Wing.

The letter column is just a locker room, though. Typical example is someone writing a lengthy letter about how much they enjoy the series, and Bendis interjecting with "Yeah, that's what your mom said last night!" and other 12-year-old sentiments.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 2 February 2004 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

It's an Image published cop series, with cops policing a society with superheroes. These heroes are not shy of acting like villains sometimes, and are vulnerable to humans (all of the story arcs involve some kind of superhero downfall orchestrated by a non-superpowered individual). Christian Walker, the main male protagonist, used to be a superhero called Diamond, but lost his powers.

Bendis has wonderful, flowing dialogue, and conveys the frustrations the cops feel when Powers circumvent them fantastically. Also, the sense of loss of Walker, who can't help when Powers ex-girlfriends die because his are gone, and his ongoing dynamic with his partner Deanna, is worth the entrance fee alone.

The lettercol is little more than an interesting diversion, but since the demise of Aardvark Comment is probably the only 'working' lettercol in comics. Almost everything Bendis receives is commented on, even spam and hatemail.

Oh, and the Anarchy plot arc had a series of covers based on punk/new wave album sleeves. That's got to be worth anybody's money. :-)

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 2 February 2004 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks Andrew, that's what I suspected as well.

Was the Salvation storyline the bit where Jesse Custer becomes a small town sheriff for 10 issues or whatever? Yeah, that was definitely a derailment. However, I read my girlfriend's collection of issues, so it didn't really bother me since it was spread out over the course of a night or two rather than the better part of a year.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 2 February 2004 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Bendis has wonderful, flowing dialogue

Respectfully: no way! ;-)

I think that with how heavily BMB regulates his dialogue (e.g. stuttering and repetition), it's closer to "realism" than flow.

Leee Majors (Leee), Monday, 2 February 2004 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, whatever - people like you (yeah, you, Lee!) make it sound like Bendis does nothing but bite on Stuttering John. (Of course, when I read the preview of his newest Marvel series, _The Pulse_, I found myself looking for "uh" and "well..." and other stuttering type stuff - you bastard.)

Perhaps he plays the "unsure speaker" card more than he should, but I think it's more a case where a LOT of the characters he handles (Foggy Nelson, Jessica Jones, Deanna Walker, teenage Spidey, teenage X-Men) are prone to offering their thoughts half-finished. And it's that "realism" that gives the dialogue its flow.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 03:58 (twenty-two years ago)

You do have a point, Dave. I just prefer my dialogue to be more stylized because dagnabbit I want my escapism -- which may also explain why I prefer Rucka to Brubaker.

Leee Majors (Leee), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 05:48 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, I take realism as what I should have said. ;-)

But there are some fantastic flowing sequences in Powers - the interrogation in the Supression Field during 'Who Killed Retro Girl' and the panicked confession of one of the supergroup during Supergroup are amongst the most text-heavy stuff he's written in any title, and work perfectly well.

There are an awful lot of silences and pauses in Alias though. :-)

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 07:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, this week seems like an interesting one comic-wise. I got a few #1's last night: The Monolith, DC's Hard Time (first of their gimmicky new Focus line, we'll see if it's bullshit or not), and Thesaly: Witch for Hire by Bill Willingham. Also got Wanted #2, My Faith in Frankie #2, and a new Y: The Last Man and Runaways.

I've only had time to read a couple of them, but Y definitely turned a corner with this issue. The BD/SM thing makes more sense than I thought it was going to, and it's the most sexually explicity by FAR. I don't know how much is supposed to be genuine backstory or just Yorick fucking with her, we'll see...I did enjoy it though.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 February 2004 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps we should start new threads (containing the date in the title) for each week.

It has been 6 weeks since my last comic purchase (not counting eBay schwag). I feel lost.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)

That would probably be better than one mutant thread, so be it.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I finally dragged my ass down the comic store (it's out of the way) yesterday and picked up:
Legion #29
Green Lantern #173
Superman/Batman #5
Green Arrow: Sounds of Violence TPB

wasn't too impressed by any of 'em.
S/B started out really good and focused, but with each new issue becomes more stretched out and less compelling.
GL, I don't even know why I buy it. Habit, I guess.
Legion, I thought #25 would be a good jump on point and I'm semi-interested.
I think that GA is the probably the most consistenly interesting superhero comic I've read since coming back to comics after a dozen or so years. I'm glad they're collecting the earlier issues, it makes my life easier.

Huckadelphia (Horace Mann), Thursday, 5 February 2004 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Huck, if you're interested in Legion, seek out the early issues of this new incarnation (or the much-coveted Legion Lost miniseries - the eBay prices are kinda ridiculous). Unfortunately, there isn't any TPBing in the works, supposedly because DC Publisher (& former Legion major domo) Paul Levitz isn't happy w/ what Abnett & Lanning have done (or maybe I have my hearsay all FUBAR'd). The Legion World mini (bridging the gap between LL & the new Legion) is not as action-oriented as what it connects, but has some nice character pieces, sets up the new series nicely & features lots of different (swank) artists - I'm most fond of Paul Rivoche's Kirby luv, but Darwyn Cooke's story is purty, too.

Which issues of GA does Sounds of Violence collect, BTW?

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 5 February 2004 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

So Wednesday is like the day new comics come out?

Dan I., Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

In the U.S. at least, yeah.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks David. I'll check those out.
I was so-so into the Legion in the 80s, and was horribly confused but fascinated by the relaunch they did around 89.

Sounds of Violence collects the Kevin Smith issues immediately proceeding the Quiver arc. The Onomatopoeia (sp???) story.

Huck, Friday, 6 February 2004 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah. Thanks, Huck. I actually have the original comics (lucky me!), but wasn't too impressed by them - the Brad Meltzer arc that follows (which I think we gabbed about on ILE before) is super foine (albeit a bit redundant w/ what Smith did), & has me looking forward to the big Identity Crisis to-do happening later this year.

I've heard good things Judd Winick's GA, & have wanted to check it out - his Outsiders work is above-average super-hero shenanigans, which is all I really want, & his Caper mini is excellent work totally unlike his spandex stuff OR any of his funny indie work - but until I stop doing things like dragging my poor car through muffler-loving potholes, it'll have to wait.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 6 February 2004 01:59 (twenty-two years ago)


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