Who is Mockingbird?

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I don't really care, but what the hell.
I think it's the Joker.

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

She's my WIFE! Who wants to know?

― hawkeye, Monday, 10 October 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

Luthor. I'm almoust sure it's Luthor.

― Amadeo (Amadeo G.), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

THE BEYONDER

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

But WHICH Luthor omg omg

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 10 October 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

MULLET LUTHOR

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 10 October 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

I'm a rubbish comics fan. What is Mockingbird?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 10 October 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

And can we eat it?

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 10 October 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

I don't know, but if you shut up I'll by you one.

― chap who would dare to kill all the threads (chap), Monday, 10 October 2005 22:16 (twenty years ago)

See the silhoutte? It's clearly Grant Morrison.

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 10 October 2005 23:23 (twenty years ago)

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:10 (twenty years ago)

Mockingbird = Grant Morrison is such a good idea I am sure that Gail Simone is reading it right now and has forced ALL OF Infinite Crisis to hold on for a couple of months as they frantically redraw these episodes to make this fit.

Odds: Evens: Luthor
9/2 Vandal Savauge
3-1 Some absolutely minor villain that only Goeff John's remembers
5-1 A ressurected Ra's A Ghul
6-1 Calculator
8-1 Oracle: a) playing them
8-1 Oracle: b)being played by Brainiac
15-1 The Joker (oh, come on)
100-1 Grant Morrison

― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 09:14 (twenty years ago)

So, are we to assume Mockingbird is the same "Oh my god... it's you" that J'onn sees before getting blowed up?

I'm going for your 3-to-1.

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 09:45 (twenty years ago)

It's Luthor... GOLDEN AGE LUTHOR!

― Vic Fluro (Vic Fluro), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)

What is the whole "mockingbird" thing about, anyway? I never got that bit of plot.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 11:00 (twenty years ago)

it's the shadowy mastermind who is manipulating 6 rubbish supervillains into acting against the Secret Society of Supervillains run by Lex Luthor etc.

― Mark C (Markco), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 11:07 (twenty years ago)

Luthor. He's already said that he's having a hard enough time holding the Society together, and what keeps a bunch of people from fighting with each other? Fighting someone else, of course!

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

Er, I dunno why people are talking about this now, but wasn't it the one blokey who was left over from the original series in the Action Comics Weekly run (and someone else in the original, but they never revealed who and the Weekly folks made up their own answer)?

― kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 07:08 (twenty years ago)

it's the shadowy mastermind who is manipulating 6 rubbish supervillains into acting against the Secret Society of Supervillains run by Lex Luthor etc.

When you put it like that the answer does jump out, yeah.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 09:25 (twenty years ago)

In the Action Comics Weekly run (and the earlier series of the same name and concept), Mockingbird (who had blackmailed six "normal" people into acting as his operatives) was revealed to be one of the six. If Villains United keeps with that tradition (and I kinda doubt it will), my money's on Mike the Parademon as Mastermind. I seem to recall him being quite well-read in his previous appearances (which I've only seen thanks to ILComics links and image posting).

Luthor is obvious guess (and frankly, everything since Identity Crisis has been about THE TRIUMPH OF THE OBVIOUS, so who knows?), but I think the more intriguing question (at least for nominal fans of the Outsiders like myself) is what will happen with Cheshire, who claimed last issue that she is willing to let Mockingbird kill her child (Lian Harper, daughter of Arsenal, ergo ERSATZ-GRANDDAUGHTER OF GREEN ARROW!!!) because she has a new bun in her oven (Catman spilled his seed in her).

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

It strikes me that any woman who
a) Hangs in those circles
b) does a lot of hand to hand combat
c) plays with as many poisons as she does
should not completely discount complications in her pregnancy.

Though it would be nice to see Cheshire fighting with a "Baby On Board" sign.

Extra question: How exactly did the mistress of poisons happen to be named after a pretty innocuous Northern county?

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

perhaps she likes the cheese a lot

― Mark C (Markco), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

I think she also has a history of nuking small countries (didn't she blow up Qurac?). So, y'know, radioactive wombicles and all that.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

So do i have to pay out?

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 13 October 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)

And to who?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 13 October 2005 11:43 (twenty years ago)

Everyone's a winnah!

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Thursday, 13 October 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

**SPOILER**

so why are there two Lex Luthors?

― Mark C (Markco), Thursday, 13 October 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

Two words: INFINITE, CRISIS.

Aka, Multiverse.
It was a nice twist that the Luthor running the Society is actually the "Pre-Crisis" Luthor and good old Preznit Lex is still in hiding, and HE's the one with the Green & Purple Battlesuit, which most people guesstimated was a sign of Pre-Crisisosity.

Also, everybody gets shot up, but nobody dies? FUCK YOU.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

I know - was a bit lame. I think the Parademon dies though. woo big deal, though he probably come back later as Cyberparademon

so it is the luthor from earth 2 or some such, even though all that shit was destroyed in the crisis OR SO EVERYONE THOUGHT!!!

― Mark C (Markco), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, the kiddies from the last page of IC! #1 continued existence is understandable, given how they went out in Crisis On International House of Pancakes, but where does the "other" Luthor come from? The Crime Syndicate's Earth-2? But then, wouldn't that make him a good guy? Or is it another Luthor clone from when got fat and died back in the 80s? (I liked Luthor the Business Scum better as a fatty, btw.)
Regardless, the Luthor on the cover looks just like Sexy Boy Lex from the TV show, which might be WHERE ALL OF THIS IS HEADING!!!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

>> Yeah, the kiddies from the last page of IC! #1 continued existence is understandable, given how they went out in Crisis On International House of Pancakes

I didn't understand that bit either (makes sad identity crisis face)

― Mark C (Markco), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

SPOILERS FOR IC! and COIHOP:

At the end of COIHOP, after "reality" remade itself into one "coherent" Universe, Golden Age Superman (of Earth-2) and Newfangled Superboy (of Earth-Prime, see DC Comics Presents #Something) are all like, "Boo hoo! Our reality doesn't exist anymore! We don't belong!" Then Alex Luthor (the son of Lex Luthor of Earth-3, the Cryme Syndikate Earth, where LL is a good guy scientist who plays Jor-El and sends his baby off into space/time just as his universe is destroyed by anti-matter--Alex Luthor growed up real quick and has weird matter/anti-matter powers) says, "Don't worry fellas, I don't belong either. But I have the power to take all of us to a Better Place [possibly TGI Friday's], and look, I brought Earth-2 Lois Lane-Kent with me. See, she's been hiding riding here in my starry crotch the whole Crisis!"
And they all go away happily ever after.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

UNTIL NOW, that is.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

right, so Alex Luthor is the one on the stylin' yellow romper suit? Thanks, that was a lot easier than me finding a copy of COIFHOP to read....

― Mark C (Markco), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

Earth-3 may be familiar to recent readers as the setting of that big Morrison/Quitely JLA hard cover a few years back, which was called Earth-2

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

No, that was Earth 2. But clearly the existance of Earth 2 and the Crime Syndicate is an obvious lead in to Infininitete Crisis.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

But GM's Earth-2 was based on the Pre-Crisis Earth-3. Only, the "new" Earth-2 was actually in the Anti-Matter Universe, not the Multiverse, right?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

Yes. Though one would've though that the whole antimatter universe got BLOW'D UP at the end of the original CrisisIHOP.

So, those of you (including me) who guessed Luthor are both RITE and RONG.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

In the Morrison/Quitely book, post-Crisis Earth-3 was Earth-1, and regular DCU Earth was Earth-2.

― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 14 October 2005 06:56 (twenty years ago)

AHEM

But WHICH Luthor omg omg

-- Tom , October 10th, 2005 10:00 PM. (Groke) (later) (link) (admin) (userip)

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 14 October 2005 08:36 (twenty years ago)

It's Luthor... GOLDEN AGE LUTHOR!
-- Vic Fluro (as...), October 11th, 2005.

Or is it? Which is which? Society Luthor is definitely 100% cooler than duller fat Battlesuit Luthor so I'd guess that's the pre-Crisis version.

― Vic Fluro (Vic Fluro), Friday, 14 October 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)

Gail Simone invokes Mo Tucker:
http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=024419b7f152fbb1674d734718a9faba&threadid=46915

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

As people were not clear which Luthor they were picking, the house has reserved the right not to pay out. (Suckas!)

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

Hold on, I read this again and I'm confused.

Battlesuit Luthor (i.e. Mockingbird, who ran the Six) is the post-Crisis President Luthor, right?

And businessman Luthor (running the society, killing Pariah) is the pre-Crisis evil scientist Luthor, right?

Or is it the other war 'round? Several posts ago I didn't care. I was happier then.

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 23 October 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

That's the impression I got, though I'm no DC scientist.

Pariah's powers seemed to vary wildly within his only scene. "There is another Luthor!" "Yes, that would be me." "I can see your plan!" "That isn't actually my plan." "I can see your other plan!"

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Sunday, 23 October 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

If someone get Rags Morales to draw the above scene of dialogue, I would be SO happy.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:13 (twenty years ago)

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