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Well, generally yeah that's true, but look at this:

Keith Giffen lists the dumbest things fans ever said to him.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

http://static.flickr.com/27/53848825_ba766375c6.jpg?v=0

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

I dunno, he should have more ducks in his comics! Ducks in comics are always classic.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

"keith which Argentinian artist should I steal from"?

― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

Did he bite some Argentine's steez? I didn't know that.

Anyway, my favorites are Nine Panels on a Page Makes You Lazy and A Totally Original Idea That's Just Like Batman.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

Obviously a total professional like Keith Giffen would never copy from anyone else, but Jose Munoz not only found repeated coincidental identical compositions, he found completely recogniseable images of his family and friends (who he had taken as models) appearing in Keith Giffen comics.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

ouch.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that during his Doctor Fate run?

― iodine (iodine), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

ZOINKS!
http://www.bdartiste.com/munoz1804.htm

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Uh oh...

I think there was a little kerfuffle re: Giffen's "homages" during the Golden Age of ILC.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

Holy cow!

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

There's no web evidence of direct swipes, but that's definitely what Ambush Bug-era Giffen looked like.
By his run on Legion of Superheros, I think he'd developed it into his own style. But, as Jack T. Chance would say, YOWZA.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

I think the Comics Journal did a feature showing lots of individual Munoz/Giffen pairs that made the claims inarguable.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

from: http://www.twomorrows.com/kirby/articles/29giffen.html

TJKC: Just backtracking a little bit, there was a controversy with Ambush Bug with Munoz?
KEITH: Yeah, yeah. I didn't even know what I had at that point. A friend of mine who shall remain nameless, because I don't want him dragged into this, showed me a whole bunch of xeroxed pages of this Munoz artwork. I was flabbergasted. I think for about a month I couldn't work. All I could do was study this guy's work; poring over it and poring over it, until the point I practically became that work, and I stepped over a line. I fully admit that—not for any of the reasons they claimed I did. There was no time I was sitting there tracing or copying, no. Duplicating, pulling out of memory and putting down on paper after intense study, absolutely. Did Munoz wrong? Mm-hmm, sure did. I guess they could have a nice little article on how you get so fixated on something and so obsessed by it that you can actually do somebody that you're a big fan of wrong. The odd thing was the end result of the whole thing. I got Justice League and then my career really took off. So I don't know how that works. [laughter] I'm not kidding. I was so gun shy at that point about putting pencil to paper. I moved into the plotting and the breaking down and telling the story, which I always thought was my strong point anyway. I think I tell a story really well visually. I went into that for a couple of years and the art didn't seem to matter much anymore, until Trencher came along, which was an experiment in not penciling.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)