Sgt. Rock: C/D

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In honor of the upcoming mini by JOE KUBERT!

He was included in CRISIS, wasn't he?

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

Wasn't he in one of the first issues, when heroes and villains had to go to different earths and times to guard some weird towers from the attack of those shadow-like antimonitor minions? I think Geo-Force from the Outsiders and some other characters had to go to WWII and met Sgt Rock, Easy Commandos and people like that.

― iodine (iodine), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

Did they REALLY need to "justify" Sgt. Rock in CRISIS?

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

Oh, Sgt.Rock was in there, all right. The Losers, too. I think even Ebemy Ace was shown in one panel going "wtf". I gotta say, when I read "Crisis" a few months ago, it mostly made me interested in all the western/war/sci-fi comics in DC's back catalogue, not old super-heroes.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

Yeah - this shd go on the "age 14" thread, but Old Me is definitely curious about the non-spandex DC stuff, as opposed to the Young Me that wanted nothing to do w/ that "boring crap". (I don't think I'll ever be curious about Amethyst, tho.)

BUT ABOUT SGT. ROCK?!?

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

I am really hoping for several volumes of Showcase Presents Sgt Rock - there is tons of great material, terrific stories by Kanigher and thrilling Kubert art. This is world class material, and there is a lot of it.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)

Ebemy Ace

Haha, classic typo! Enemy Ace, of course.

Sorry David, I don't know much about Sgt.Rock.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

Don't forget the Haunted Tank!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

Ha - the one fish-out-of-CRISIS "wtf" moment I recall was w/ the Haunted Tank!

Sorry if my SGT. ROCK!?!?! statement seemed to be singling you out, Daniel - just trying to rerail the thread I derailed.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

Sgt. Rock & Jonah Hex = the COOL DC?
Justice League/Super Friends/etc = the DORKUS MALORKUS DC?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, sure.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

If I get a chance tonight, I'll YSI a Brave & the Bold from 1969 that has Batman in "the present" recalling his WWII team-up with Sgt. Rock!!! Which, y'know, wtf??? How could Batman be active in the 40s AND the late 60s?
The only attempt at justifying it is a toss-off comment about Bruce Wayne leaving college to serve his country, which would at the very least put Bats in his mid-40s in 1969.
And there's great Neal Adams aping Joe Kubert panels.
http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/1098/200/1098_2_084.jpg

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

The way to justify it = Haney-Earth, where a writer has paid no attention to this Earth-1/Earth-2 nonsense, so Batman was indeed around from the late '30s.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

You make that sound like a bad thing, Martin!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

Actually, referring to Earth-1/Earth 2 as "nonesense" have me the idea that Martin thinks this method is preferable!

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

I thoroughly approve of people disregarding awkward continuity limitations when you want Wildcat (of Earth-2) to live down the road from the Earth-1 Batman. I also approve of Earth-1 and Earth-2, and absolutely loved the first times I came across it. I thought it was a fabulous explanation of the golden/silver age problem.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

Was there ever a mention of an "Earth-H"? Possibly even as recently as DC Special: The Return of Donna Troy #4?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

Which would make sense, since wasn't it Haney who first introduced Wonder Girl as someone/something other than a computer simulation of Wonder Woman as a girl?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

Wouldn't that mean that what the readers followed as "Earth-1" was really "Earth-H", after 1965 or so? Or maybe there were two "Earth-H"s? I think it was Haney that goofed the Wonder Girl thing up, maybe intentionally so since they didn't have any female sidekicks to use for the group otherwise.

I also liked the "Earth-H" Plastic Man stories, where following the mid-'50s dissolution of his crime-fighting career Plas had become a bowery bum a la the Sub-Mariner in FF #4, totally contradicting not only the Earth-1/Earth-2 split but also the abominable mid-'60s revival series where the original Plastic Man had gone into a RETIREMENT HOME and his son had replaced him. I suspect it was stuff like that and the awesomely weird Fleischer "Earth-1" Spectre stories that really prompted the Crisis on Infinite Earths! I miss the days when superheroes actually had their adventuring careers happen in real publishing time, like when Steve Englehart's Avengers anniversary issue mentioned the group starting on Marvel-Earth in 1963, etc.-- references of that sort seem to have ended in the late '70s at DC and Marvel.

― Chris F. (servoret), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

"Hey Superman, remember that time you told Ronald Reagan he was doing the right thing by outlawing superheroes, and then Kilowog joined the Soviet Union and helped them create the Rocket Red Brigade?"

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

http://s6.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1Y3IP1W6M4NSN24LHYET6RVGZO

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 21 October 2005 01:42 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure Earth-Haney was refered to in fanzines as Earth-B, B both for Bob haney and editor Murray Boltinoff, who edited most of Haney's superhero work.

― David Simpson (David Simpson), Friday, 21 October 2005 08:24 (twenty years ago)

Don't forget the Haunted Tank!

I didn't forget it!!! It's just that I couldn't remember what its name was in english..

― iodine (iodine), Friday, 21 October 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

I think it was mostly called Earth-B because it's referring to Haney's stories in The Brave And The Bold.

― The Yellow Kid, Friday, 21 October 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

The Brave and the Bold was the most awesome DC comic ever. Because it was, with a few exceptions (there might have been a handful of TWO-PART NOVELS), immediately accessible. If you understood that Batman hates evil, everything else was pretty self-explanatory.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 21 October 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

I found a chronolgy of Earth-B at http://blaklion.best.vwh.net/timelineB.html

Sorry I can't do a more direct link -- me not savvy computer too good.

― David Simpson (David Simpson), Monday, 24 October 2005 08:16 (twenty years ago)

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