Outside the Mother Box: Characters Who Don't Fit the Company

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Re: DC Heroes = Noble icons, upholding justice vs. Marvel Heroes = Science Accidents* & Misfits

I believe I argued somewhere that Martian Manhunter, at his most basic, fits more in the Marvel tradition. RIPPED through space/time from his world, a tragic outsider, forever alone, oh the pathos!
Metamorpho, as well, is pretty much Marvellian, considering he's essentially the Fantastic Four all-in-one.

*Flash (both Barry Allen and Jay Garrick) is a science accident, but a HAPPY science accident.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

you love metamorpho!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Captain America transplanted to the DC universe could be interesting. He could wrangle with Superman when the interests of the USA and the interests of humanity didn't line up perfectly. (As in, all the time.)

― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

Cap has no problem beating up the USA though. He just gives his 'I represent THE DREAM!!' speech and then breaks into CIA headquarters to fight a big robot shaped like Nixon's face or something.

― Vic Fluro (Vic Fluro), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

You mean MODOK!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

Or Armin Zola.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

Cap was/is a DC character stuck in the marvel universe. One could also say that the New Teen Titans were a marvel team in DC.

― iodine (iodine), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:01 (twenty years ago)

Doom Patrol were also more like a Marvel team - freaks protecting a society that shuns them!!

― Mark C (Markco), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 07:30 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but in the case of Metamorpho and the DP this was by editorial design (and they were still both pretty fucking goofy in a specifically DC way)!

― Chris F. (servoret), Thursday, 27 October 2005 02:54 (twenty years ago)

"let us take a marvel style team and view them through the lens of PO FACED ABSURDITY"

― Mark C (Markco), Thursday, 27 October 2005 08:38 (twenty years ago)

When Peter Parker started being a swingin' daddy-o cat and Mary Jane ran around the comic chasing groovy mmmmmmmmmmmmales - was this in response to what DC were doing? Or was it Stan no longer being held back by Steve?

― Vic Fluro (Vic Fluro), Thursday, 27 October 2005 10:34 (twenty years ago)

Thor, oddly, really does not fit in Marvel .He would not really fit at DC either, but he is far too powerful for Marvel. His weakness, being a bit thick and saying verily WAY TOO MUCH, is luckily enough to depower him on all but the most critical occasions.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 27 October 2005 10:43 (twenty years ago)

They also completely ignore many of the powers he had early on. The same is true of Superman, of course, who used to be able to change shape and move things by mighty brane power and all that. Also the Sub-Mariner had loads of extra superpowers (basically anything any undersea creature could do, including ones made up for the purpose of giving him another power) very early on.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 27 October 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)

I think Pete's on to something regarding Thor. Late in the Englehart run of Avengers, that business with Moondragon hauling him over the coals for slumming in the affairs of humans was really good, and kind of squirmy and uncomfortable.

― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 27 October 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

Or was it Stan no longer being held back by Steve?

Yeah, I think so-- it fits his personality, plus I bet that Stan thought he was making Pete more relatable to the kids by making him hepper and happier. And maybe he was-- it was when he combined his soap operatics with Romita's romance comics artstyle that Spidey finally became top dog superhero at Marvel! (I think Gerard Jones does a nice job talking about this in his second silver age heroes book, arguing that Stan's Marvel without Jack and Steve was more commercial-friendly, but that it ultimately ran out of steam because Stan was simply aping what he had done with them before without developing it further-- hence, even Marvel commercially declined in the '70s despite its supplanting DC as top dog comics company.)

― Chris F. (servoret), Friday, 28 October 2005 01:22 (twenty years ago)

O'course the Ultimates deals with Thor in an excellent way, especially as (with the exception of a Dr Strange team-up) I don't believe there are ANY magical characters in the Ultimate Marvel Universe so Thor really stands out as a non-science powered guy. This makes him wierd, untrustworthy on top of his general Europeaness.

(This may well all be wrong by the way).

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 28 October 2005 11:19 (twenty years ago)

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