Comic book adaptations of novels, plays, short stories, etc.

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Do these ever work? What are the good ones, what are the bad? I can't think of too many examples of someone pulling it off succesfully. Ralf König is probably the best example, with Lysistrata (based on the Aristophanes play) and Jago (based on several Shakespeare plays, mostly Othello and Romeo and Juliet). König is obviously rather unfaithful to the originals, but his particular type of humour and gay themes fit the stories well. The comic adaptation of Oscar Wilde's The Importance of Being Earnest has a great premise - change it from a straight to a gay comedy - but in my opinion the artist's (whose name escapes me) decision to keep the original dialogue is mistake, since the Wilde play is too wordy for the comic form.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Saturday, 29 October 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

I rather like P. Craig Russell's adaptations, although I'm betting it helps that in most instances I'm unfamiliar with the originals.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Saturday, 29 October 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

There's that adaptation of Paul Auster's "City of Glass", that looks pretty good, although it's appearance on a bookstore shelf essentially says to me, "Whoever manages this store has no idea what graphic novels to buy."

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Saturday, 29 October 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)

Guido Crepax' adaptations of various erotic classics are meant to be great - I've not ready any in full, just seen art extracts, which are always beautiful, and I'm also not familar w/the originals, but I thought I'd throw the example out there for others to confirm/deny.

The Pinefox nominated The Hobbit in the best comics ever poll! Again I haven't read it.

The only one I ever bought was a comic version of Gene Wolfe's The Shadow Of The Torturer - it was RUB.

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 29 October 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Mazzucchelli's "City of Glass" is very good & much more of a comics-formalist thing than you'd guess.

I remember really enjoying Trickster King Monkey, adapted from Journey to the West, but the English translation only lasted a few issues.

Douglas (Douglas), Saturday, 29 October 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

The Robert Crumb-illustrated Begginer's Guide to Kafka has some wonderful adaptations of the short stories - notably The Hunger Artist, Metamrphosis and The Penal Colony.

chap who would dare to spy on his best mate's ex (chap), Saturday, 29 October 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

I am a huge fan of Crepax as an artist, but those adaptations (Story of O, Emmanuelle and others) are beautifully drawn toss.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 29 October 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

Classics Illustrated = classic, obv. I still treasure the John K. Snyder Jekyll & Hyde from the late 80s version.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Sunday, 30 October 2005 02:36 (twenty years ago)

The D'Israeli-drawn adapatation of War Of The Worlds, currently on-line at Dark Horse's web site, though coming in book form next January, looks like being pretty good.

David Simpson (David Simpson), Monday, 31 October 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

I stumbled across this mini-series adapting H.P. Lovecraft when I was a kid, it was awesome.

http://www.sonic.net/~jason/titles/coverdream2.gif

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 31 October 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

Wow, that War of the Worlds thing is gorgeous!

chap who would dare to spy on his best mate's ex (chap), Monday, 31 October 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

The only ones I am really familiar with as well are the P. Craig Russell opera ones, which are quite lavish and good in an Aubrey Beardsley sort of style. I found a version of I Am Legend at the library but I just couldn't get into it. The inking was very dark and I found it quite hard to read due to the lack of contrast.
I highly recommend Age of Bronze, Eric Showalter's retelling of the Iliad. The art reminds me a lot of Classics Illustrated (I think this is intentional?) but with great historical accuracy and he's really adept at portraying the homosexual relationships that a lot of adaptations gloss over.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 31 October 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

Did anybody ever read Gil Kane's Ring of the Nibelung comics? Those seemed awesome and out of reach to me when they came out.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 31 October 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

I've read both Ring Cycle adaptations (although not the Gil Kane one for many years) and definitely prefer the Russell, as far as I can remember. I think it's largely because he had a lot more space to tell such an epic story than Kane did. Russell's is something like four times as long, I believe.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Monday, 31 October 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

Let's not forget Jim Starlin's version of "Gilgamesh" either!

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Monday, 31 October 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

Ah, lets.

NB the Kane/Woodring Ring was written by Roy Thomas, so even if it was longer, you'd just be more bored. But more pretty pictures!

kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 31 October 2005 23:17 (twenty years ago)

Douglas, what do you mean, "comic-formalist thing" re: City of Glass?

Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

I was introduced to H.G. Wells by some Marvel adaptations that appeared in the back of Dr Who Weekly. I still remember them fondly.

Film adaptations are usually pretty lame. A great bowdlerisation appears in "Robocop", where the line "Bitches - leave!" becomes "I'd go now if I were you, ladies" in the comic.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

I assume Douglas means that the comic version of CoG takes advantage of a lot of the things only comics can do in order to tell its story and achieve its best effects.

I actually think the comic version of CoG might be better than the original.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 05:10 (twenty years ago)

I'be read only the comic adaptation of City of Glass, and I have to say that the ending went over my head. Is the book easier to comprehend?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

mmmmmmm probably, depending on what exactly went over your head. note also that the book is actually 1/3 of a book.

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 3 November 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

Shit, I've only just remembered that City of Glass is part of The New York Trilogy. Is it the first part? When I read it I remember thinking that it would make a good comic, probably because it really reminded me of Grant Morrison's work.

chap who would dare to spy on his best mate's ex (chap), Thursday, 3 November 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

not the only one - when Speigelman was trying to commission a new writer after the original bloke dropped out, he asked Karasik only to find that K. had actually started breaking it down into panels years before for his own idle interest

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 3 November 2005 03:35 (twenty years ago)

Uh, CoG was published as an independent book, and as I recall the series is a trilogy not because of repeated characters or plot but because of a certain stylistic unity.

I should go check the comic -- I seem to recall the ending as being very wordy, pretty much lifted from the book...

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 3 November 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

lets not forget camelot 3000 AAAAARGHHHHARGHHHH

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 4 November 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

Isn't it implied that the author of the first CoG story is a character in one of the following stories? Or that the narrator of the first story is misdirection, and it's actually a ghost voice of one of the other characters? Or something?

It's the only Auster book I could really stand, anyway -- it's certainly pulpy enough to make a good comic. (Maybe The Music of Chance could work, too.) But I still tend to think that comic bookshops tend to overstock adaptations, as they're one-offs, and so many graphic novels tend to be parts of longer series. (And the series are more reliant on internal continuity than, say, an Ian Rankin novel).

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 4 November 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

x-post OTM

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 4 November 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

xx-post by "comic bookshops" i mean "non-comic bookshops"

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 4 November 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

got the Mazzucchelli City of Glass! Haven't read it yet.

A Fox TV Executive With Nothing To Lose (Dr. Superman), Saturday, 15 August 2009 16:49 (sixteen years ago)

It's great.

How about vice versa, where comics are turned into novels, like Tintin in the New World or Cantor's Krazy Kat, with some pretty mindboggling sequences of ignatz fuckin' krazy?
http://www.amazon.com/Krazy-Kat-Jay-Cantor/dp/0375713824/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1250366895&sr=8-16

BOO LIAR BEN KONOP BOO BAD BOO BEN KONOP BOO (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 15 August 2009 20:10 (sixteen years ago)

The Krazy Kat novel is pretty good.

Did anyone else fall in love with the recent Marvel adaptation of The Wizard Of Oz? Eris Shanower did the script with Skottie Young doing the art. Liked it way more than I remember liking the book as a kid. Looks like they're going to continue with the later Oz books, which I never read.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 15 August 2009 20:31 (sixteen years ago)

Shanower probably knows the Oz stuff better than anybody else in comics. By a factor of about a billion.

I really liked that Darwyn Cooke adaptation of the first Parker book that just came out.

On the "City of Glass" front: It's probably worth mentioning that Auster's New York Trilogy owes rather a lot to Samuel Beckett's "Molloy"/"Malone Dies"/"The Unnameable" trilogy (but is kind of a more pop-ist approach to it).

Douglas, Sunday, 16 August 2009 20:01 (sixteen years ago)

I gotta say that I'm still a bit confounded by all the comic booky Cooke love; his work seems like a more static, less interesting and less meaty shadow of Bruce Timm.

what a horribly formed "joke"! (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 16 August 2009 21:09 (sixteen years ago)

what have you read of his?

chronicles of paranoimia (sic), Monday, 17 August 2009 01:34 (sixteen years ago)

I think Douglas has made the Auster/Beckett comparison on every Auster thread on the internet (because I read them all--the threads, not the entire combined works of A/B--a month ago after finishing Mr. Vertigo). Which doesn't dampen its validity.
Cooke's Parker is very good, and what misgivings I have about Cooke limiting himself to 50s/60s themes are tempered by reminding myself how many other comic book artists limit themselves to shitballs superhero themes.
There was a critique of The Hunter making the rounds in the linkblogs that seemed to take Cooke to task for making it too POP! and not doing a fumetti.

there's a better way to browse (Dr. Superman), Monday, 17 August 2009 02:14 (sixteen years ago)

Sic: Frontier and The Spirit.

what a horribly formed "joke"! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 17 August 2009 04:08 (sixteen years ago)

^ if yr talking about Nadel's, I think that's enormously reductive and inaccurate.

chronicles of paranoimia (sic), Monday, 17 August 2009 04:16 (sixteen years ago)

xpost above

chronicles of paranoimia (sic), Monday, 17 August 2009 04:17 (sixteen years ago)

forks: if you came out of the whole of New Frontier feeling that, you're not super-likely to change, but I'd say take a look at his first issue of Tangled Web, as well as some of the Catwoman work, if you can borrow them from a person or library. That might give a bit of an idea of the subtler tonal modulations he can make to his writing and drawing styles, while still remaining in that post-animation general vocabulary.

(I avoided the Spirit bcz a) it specifically looked like pretty pointless wheel-spinning when I'd rather see Cooke working on something he actually cares about, and b) don't give a fuck about anyone hacksurrecting the Spirit tbh)

chronicles of paranoimia (sic), Monday, 17 August 2009 04:23 (sixteen years ago)

I have. Sorry for the repetition.

Douglas, Monday, 17 August 2009 04:32 (sixteen years ago)

Frontier was OKAY, but that was about it for me. The Spirit was absolutely pointless wheel-spinning. I may try reading this noir adaptation, but I gotta say that I found this piece in comics comics (Along with the visual examples provided), pretty convincing:
http://comicscomicsmag.blogspot.com/2009/08/hunter.html

what a horribly formed "joke"! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 17 August 2009 04:33 (sixteen years ago)

I'd be down with trying the catwoman sometime though. I keep meaning to get a piece of the brubaker run.

what a horribly formed "joke"! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 17 August 2009 04:34 (sixteen years ago)

Do these ever work? What are the good ones, what are the bad?

Martin Rowson's adaptation of Tristram Shandy belongs in some hypothetical pantheon. Didn't much care for Tardi's The Bloody Streets Of Paris but I really can't be bothered with the mystery genre anyway, outside of two or three Chandlers.

R Baez, Monday, 17 August 2009 20:28 (sixteen years ago)

Bill & Ted the comic book is supposed to be good, also the ALF comic book. Another big ups for CIty of Glass. You will think the novel is crap in comparison after reading it.

Philip Nunez, Monday, 17 August 2009 23:21 (sixteen years ago)

Parker was cool but the main character looked too youthful and Cooke's so much better in colour.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 17 August 2009 23:40 (sixteen years ago)

the Bill & Ted comic is good, but probably better in the actual Dorkin-written series than the movie adaptation

chronicles of paranoimia (sic), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 03:06 (sixteen years ago)

What about comic strip adaptations of films adapted from comics? I remember the Carlos Ezquerra drawn comic of the film of Judge Dredd. Fascinating.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 24 August 2009 14:31 (sixteen years ago)

Shameless attempted revive of my own thread:
Fantasy adaptations

chap, Monday, 24 August 2009 15:56 (sixteen years ago)

There were comic book adaptations of the two Burton Batman movies, but I'm not sure if the Nolan movies have gotten the same treatment. Apparently Catwoman and Constantine got comic adaptations though. I don't quite understand what's the target group for these, but then again I don't get who reads novel adaptations of movies either? Apparently there was a novelization of Francis Ford Coppola's adaptation of Stoker's Dracula, talk about postmodern!

Tuomas, Monday, 24 August 2009 17:54 (sixteen years ago)

That happened to Little Women's latest movie version too, I think.

The Love Song of J Alfred Pluot (Oilyrags), Monday, 24 August 2009 18:51 (sixteen years ago)

Return To Oz is one of the more glaring offenses I remember in that regard.

But we're straying from the subject at hand.

Sometimes I can't help seeing all the way through (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 24 August 2009 18:56 (sixteen years ago)

Return To Oz wasn't a Baum original, though. And, yeah, I still recall the joy I had spotting FRANCIS FORD COPPOLA'S BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA BY SOME GUY in a bookshop window.

miss pamela and the gtfo's (sic), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 01:46 (sixteen years ago)

At least for the comic book adaptation of FFC's BM's Dracula® SOME GUY was Mike Mignola! Not just random dude on the corner. Script was Roy Thomas. Result was better than the movie by far.

I believe SOME GUY for the movie novelization was the one and only Fred Saberhagen. Never read it though.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 02:31 (sixteen years ago)

BM's should be BS - though Coppola's was a bit of a turd.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 02:31 (sixteen years ago)

Return To Oz wasn't a Baum original, though.

It was a pretty faithful adaptation of two of his Oz books, so I'd say close enough to count.

But, again, I digress.

Sometimes I can't help seeing all the way through (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 05:48 (sixteen years ago)


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