"Mammomax? They're keeping the belligerent elephant man?" [A DECIMATION thread]

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David Hine on his DECIMATION minis. The thread title came from a N3wsarama user. Don't talk about DECIMATION - talk about Mammomax.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

Mammomax:

http://metagame.com/uploads/Vs/2005/avengers/1mammomax.jpg

Let's not talk about the guy what wrote the above scene, either. Let's just talk about Mammomax and his digestive acids.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

Mammomax.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sorry Maggott. I have a new love now.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

His mutant power is digestive acids?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 3 November 2005 07:48 (nineteen years ago)

somewhere Maggot is wiping a way a single perfectly formed tear

Mammomax sounds like his mutant power should be giant bosoms

― Mark C (Markco), Thursday, 3 November 2005 09:18 (nineteen years ago)

Now that's my kind of superhero.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

Mammomax sounds like his mutant power should be giant bosoms

Don't they all have that power?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

Hold on, why is Chuck Austen meant to be rubbish again?

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

Tom, stop that.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 3 November 2005 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

If you start coming around to Sodom & Gommorah, I'm going to pout.

Tho, you know, if his plots were abetted by Peter Milligan's dialogue...

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 3 November 2005 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

Or, you know, anyone that worked in funny books between the 30s and 60s.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 3 November 2005 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

DO NOT FORGET MAMMOMAX

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 November 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

XAMOMMAM TEGROF TON OD

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 4 November 2005 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

OK, let's talk about DECIMATION! (Mammomax.)

Anyone (MADDY?) reading / gonna read these books, specifically the minis associated w/ thee event? I'm in line to get the David Hine minis (The 198 & Son of M), mostly because of the happy-good-time vibes District X gave me. And I might give Generation M a spin (because of nostalgic Paul Jenkins feelgood vibes). How about it?

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

OMG, I should have kept reading Austen's run.

― Dan (Mammomax/Maggott Team-Up!) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 16 December 2005 00:44 (nineteen years ago)

Son of M seems pretty anti-happy-good fun-time-- from rainy rooftop screaming about "My dead son!" to suicidal plunges, I feel like they're trying to dramatize an event that really didn't evoke that much drama in the first place. The best examples of Decimation fallout come from closely following one character (the opening Pietro stuff is great) but X-Men does not (maybe can not?) work at that micro level for long. It's not Hines' fault; he's doing a good job with what he's got.

Worst part: no Mammomax yet.

― Madolan, Friday, 16 December 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

Mammomax was in Milligan's X-Men!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 17 December 2005 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

True! I was speaking of the Decimation minis, not the ongoing titles.

― Madolan, Saturday, 17 December 2005 04:26 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

HOTT NEWS! The post-Decimanational writer / artist X-teams have been announced! I'd link to the official announcement, but I'm feeling lazy!

Uncanny X-Men: Ed Brubaker & Billy Tan
X-Men: Mike Carey & Chris Bachalo

The three or four of us that give a squirt: DISCUS

Also - Son of M is turning out to be pretty interesting! I wish I cd say the same for Generation M.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

I'm kind of excited about both of these.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

Motherfucker! I'm really pissed off about Milligan getting the ax.

Mike Carey? WTF? This is ridiculous.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

So it seems like the post-Whedon direction for the core X-titles will be bland respectability, huh?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

I think Carey is underrated. :(

The line-up (Cable, Cannonball, Iceman, Mystique, Rogue and Sabertoof) seems interesting too.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

That line-up would be interesting, but only if Milligan was writing it and playing the characters for laughs. Otherwise, it's a fucking nightmare!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

And illustrated by Chris Bachalo, no less!

So basically:

Whedon/Cassady = X-Men for people who really wish Morrison was still writing it
Carey/Bachalo = X-Men for 90s X-fans
Brubaker/Tan = X-Men for people who always wished that the series could get the feel of a bland but competent DC title

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

Don't get me wrong, I don't really have a problem with Brubaker. Deadly Genesis has been pretty okay, but it's pretty conservative stuff and I'd rather have a crazy visionary on the series (Morrison, Claremont in his prime) or a weirdo who doesn't take it entirely seriously (Milligan, Lobdell on his good days.)

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

I think Whedon/Cassaday = X-Men for people who like Joss Whedon.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

Well, that too.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

And not for people who like crazy visionaries.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it carries on with largely the same cast and he's bringing back Cassandra, but it's totally New X-Men Lite.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

I just hope the next storyline moves faster, as opposed to "WTF, they're STILL fighting that stupid robot?"

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, definitely. He only has six issues to wrap up a lot of plot!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

I thought there were going to be 12?

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

He's on for a full year, but the catch is, Astonishing X-Men is bi-monthly. So it's actually six issues.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

[ultimate x-post!]

I don't agree w/ your assessments / predictions @ all, Matt (SHOCKA), tho I share a bit of your trepidation (tho that's due to the art choices), and I am kinda irked that PM is getting the boot, esp. since he seems to have finally gotten settled (AND DOOP'S BACK). I prefer my Milligan unfettered, though, and having to helm one of the main X-titles crimped his style (or caused his style to manifest itself in odd clunky ways). But getting Claremont and his 95 captions off the damn books is a step in the right direction, and I'm def. looking forward to Carey's run - his Ultimate FF/X-stuff has been superswell, and I enjoyed the Spellbinders mini he wrote last year.

That said, the best overall X-book (published on a regular schedule) might still be Ultimate X-Men, if Robert Kirkman's first issue is any indication.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, I enjoyed Kirkman's first issue too, in spite of the clunky Ultimate version of Lilandra. I don't quite understand the point of introducing these gimmicky radically altered Ultimate versions of old characters when just making up new ones would suffice, but whatever.

Weird thing about the new issue of Milligan X-Men - Doop was a celebrity along with the rest of X-Statix, right? Why are Lorna and Alex totally unaware of his existence?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

Because the story dictated it so? It's META, you see??

― c(''c) (Leee), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

I guess the No-Prize justification is: Doop was a reality TV star - that's a totally different thing from being an actual celebrity. It's not like too many folks that don't watch American Idol know who the hell Bo Bice is.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

It's really too bad that they went with Carey when they could have totally went for a Milligan/Bachalo reunion.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

A Milligan / Bachalo reunion that maybe 20 people give a rat's ass about! One way to inspire apathy in the X-dorks = reunite the team that brought you Vertigo's SHADE THE CHANGING MAN.

Note: I am one of those 20.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

Psychedelic Wolverang!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

X-MEN: THE TRIP (featuring Wolverine, Cyclops, and Mammomax)

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

I'm another of the 20 who would love X-Shade. But I won't miss Milligan. Despite desperate attempts to appreciate the dripping sarcasm behind his seemingly uncomplicated plots, I can't get rid of the feeling that he's giving fans the finger. SO much wasted potential!

― Madolan, Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

Was STCM ever collected?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

I think there might've been a few collections - there's at least one - but it's probably cheaper to just peruse eBay or your local bargain bin for a complete set.

Doop should join X-Factor. Or the Avengers. Or the Runaways. Or every Marvel book. AND he should be retroactively inserted into every previously published Marvel book. In place of either Flash Thompson, Rick Jones, Mantis, and Willie Lumpkin.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

Fuck a grammar.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

So please list off some reasons why anyone shouldn't be apathetic about a dullsville writer like Carey writing a 90s-tastic X-cast?

Cable, for the love of God!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

Because, um, he ain't so dull?

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

And please don't even try to sell me on Lucifer! That book is weak.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

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i mean, i love 'em and all, but i don't look at the current state of DC and Marvel* and think woo, check the crystallized genius, there.

* who i assume = the industry, here, i don't think we can blame claremont for fantagraphics - i'd like to, but i just don't think it'd fly -

― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 09:20 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think I've ever read Claremont, so my possibly-completely inaccurate impression is that he's known for soap opera storylines and extreme wordiness. The soap opera thing isn't new, it was the basic appeal of Spiderman and the Fantastic Four, right? So, wordiness as revolutionary?

― Ray (Ray), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 09:30 (nineteen years ago)

It's really unfortunate that the actual content and formal structure of his X-Men work from about 1984 up through 1989 is just getting glossed over by everyone as being just a "soap opera." I mean, that's an element of it, but I think there's a lot more things going on, surely much more than most anyone is going to bring to the table now.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not didmissing the possibility that there is more going on, I'd just like to know what you think that 'more' is? Panel layout? Character motivation?

― Ray (Ray), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

Ninjas.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

plot threads that are not resolved for five years plus

― Mark C (Markco), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

Mohawks.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

HR Giger ripoffs.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Paedophilia? (Or possibly barely-legal-ophilia?)

― Ray (Ray), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

Spirit journeys.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

Very small dragons.

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

"~~plot~~ threads that are not resolved for five years plus" sounds like ILC.

― c(''c) (Leee), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

OK, so:

TEAM WHEDON: Cyclops / Wolverine / White Queen / Shadowpryde / Beast / Colossus / Lockheed (hell yeah)

TEAM CAREY: Mystique / Rogue / Iceman / Sabretooth / Cannonball / Cable (and I am all for a misfitty clean-slate type of team)

Which could mean...

TEAM BRUBAKER: Nightcrawler / Marvel Girl / newbies from the back-up stories in Deadly Genesis / old New Mutants folk like Mirage or Magma or Sunspot / Mammomax / DOOP!

Or, in essence, what MP said over here, but with more DOOP!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 February 2006 00:11 (nineteen years ago)

I just found out Claremont's mucking around w/ Shi'ar Death Commandos named Sega, Offset, and Shell in Uncanny. That's hot.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 February 2006 00:13 (nineteen years ago)

Mirage is out, she's one of the depowered characters.

Karma is up for grabs. She's a good choice!

I don't think Brubaker is ballsy enough to run with Mammomax.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 2 February 2006 01:37 (nineteen years ago)

Forge is also up for grabs.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 2 February 2006 01:38 (nineteen years ago)

I imagine that Brubaker will have Charles Xavier in his group.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 2 February 2006 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

Too bad Grant Morrison is a DC character, he could join the X-Men.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 2 February 2006 01:57 (nineteen years ago)

He's dead, too.

― kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 2 February 2006 02:27 (nineteen years ago)

Does DC own the rights to comic book Grant Morrison, do you think?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 2 February 2006 02:30 (nineteen years ago)

More importantly, during the Amalgam DC/Marvel crossover mix-em-up event, was comic book Grant Morrison merged with comic book Stan Lee (and/or Jack Kirby) from the issue of What If? where Marvel Bullpen staffers got the powers of the Fantastic Four?

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 2 February 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

If Steve Gerber & Bob Haney merged, that'd be wicked.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 February 2006 02:42 (nineteen years ago)

Roy Thomas and Roy Thomas merge and write The Trial of The Invaders! (Or wait, in the Amalgam U, it'd be The Trial of the All-Invasion Squadders or something. God did the names suck in that event.)

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 2 February 2006 02:45 (nineteen years ago)

Carmine Infantino merges with Jeff from D.P. 7 and discovers The Speed Lines Force!

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 2 February 2006 02:48 (nineteen years ago)

Does DC own the rights to comic book Grant Morrison, do you think?

According to the indicia on both Animal Man and Suicide Squad, Grant and his distinctive likeness are trademarks of DC Comics.

Me too, probably.

― kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 2 February 2006 05:05 (nineteen years ago)

Me too, probably.

― Chris F. (servoret), Thursday, 2 February 2006 05:45 (nineteen years ago)

Superboy uses Kit as brie in the next issue of INFINITE CRISIS!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 February 2006 07:14 (nineteen years ago)

Waitaminit! Grant Morrison was in Suicide Squad?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 2 February 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

He's Batman.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 February 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

Grant Morrison was in one issue of Suicide Squad, for a mission where the team had to be augmented by loads of DCU z-stringers. He [SPOILER WARNING] died.

(I was in the background of a bar scene in Orion, but it was a poor likeness, so there's yr legal loophole.)

― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 3 February 2006 03:51 (nineteen years ago)

Brubaker's team: Nightcrawler, Rachel Summers, Warpath, Havok and Professor X (eventually). And some other people he wasn't going to name yet.

― Amadeo (Amadeo G.), Monday, 6 February 2006 00:37 (nineteen years ago)

Warpath is a pretty fascinating choice, but it also kinda highlights the problem of writers being forced to scrape the bottom of the barely these days. It's weird, though, that the writers seem unwilling to run with Grant Morrison's characters. What about the Stepford Cuckoos? Fantomex and E.V.A.? Fantomex would be an interesting character to develop - he's a man who lives without an identity, the type of dude who decided to be French on a whim! That would open him up to a lot of strange reinventions. It's too bad Peter Milligan never got to play with him.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Monday, 6 February 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

On the other hand, insisting on using a character like Warpath and running with the Third Summers Brother, Xavier's Dark Past, and the Shi'Ar Empire also reinforces my impression that Brubaker is a slave to continuity and has very little new to bring to the franchise other than yet more retcons.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Monday, 6 February 2006 03:18 (nineteen years ago)

the stepford cuckoos are in academy x or were or something at least i thought so

― tom west (thomp), Monday, 6 February 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

They were featured on the cover prior to the creative team change.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 6 February 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

Aw, Sook-y Sook-y (gone) now.

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 11 February 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

BRUBAKER GOES COSMIC!

And either Billy Tan took about 10 years to draw that, the inker did most of the work, or BT made a HUGE leap forward.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 17 February 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

Keep fucking a grammar.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 17 February 2006 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

Oh - in case anyone cares:

- Angel lost his wings
- Marrow's w/ the Morlocks
- ERG IS BACK AND PISSED!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 17 February 2006 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

Who do you figure the mystery member is going to be?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 17 February 2006 05:07 (nineteen years ago)

Batman.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Given the hints EB dropped in his N-Rama-view, I'm thinking it might be one of the DG characters. Or Banshee. Or DARK MOIRA.

The Officially Unofficial ILC Rankings for the Decimations minis:

1) Son of M (by a wiiiiiide margin)
2) The 198
3) Generation M
4) Sentinel Squad O*N*E (despite rumbles w/ a fake Galactus & a Growing Man)

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

Son Of M has really wonderful art! I haven't read it yet, though. I can't believe they put a guy that good on a third-string title like that.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

It'd be kinda awesome if the seventh mystery member was Mammomax.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Mammomax & Doop need to make babies.

Son of M has been fantastic in every aspect, especially in the latest issue. The thing is: it isn't an X-story. It's an Inhumans story. And Quicksilver's the bad guy.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

Well, that's sensible. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are better villains than heroes, but I say that as lifelong X-Men fan who never really liked The Avengers.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

Next: Claremont Gets X-Iled!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

IE given books which are actually out of continuity rather than one which pays sod all attention to the other books, and vice versa.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

God damn, I wish Genext were being written by the Claremont of fifteen years ago. Both it and Exiles seem like the kind of thing that could bring out both the best and worst in him. (By the same token, Genext would work better as an ongoing, with Claremont taking years to build up ridiculous backstory and subplots, than a short-TPB throwaway.)

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

Oh hey, Mammomax is in the newest issue of X-Men!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

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